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Not wanting any hazards at all though? Completely anti-brawl. I would have trouble naming stages that don't have hazards in some form. FD, BF, Temple, and...
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We haven't removed items from the game. Stop claiming this. The game gives us the option to turn them off, we used that.You missed my point. Items were a BIG part of Brawl. Until we removed them. Do you see what I'm saying now? We've removed a lot of things that were big in the game; he just prefers to go a step further. So what? I disagree, but I'm not going to tell him he shouldn't play the game; I'm just going to say to him that he should step outside of his comfort zone.
Amazing Ampharos said:I usually try to be more diplomatic than BPC is being in this topic, but the basic message here about how banning stuff that you can't be sure is broken is scrubby is probably a good message. I wouldn't dream of "telling people how to play" in the sense that if they want to play on only Final Destination or with all items on or with permanent super spicy curry mixed with coin mode, I don't mind (and no one should mind). There is a point though in condemning bad policy as people try to apply it to a tournament setting; when someone goes out and makes sure Pokemon Stadium 2 isn't legal at some tournaments because he thinks the stage is "dumb" or "gay", he's not just deciding how he and his friends are going to play but limiting how we all play. That's less okay.
And ADHD and Orion still really wish ad hominem was actually a valid form of argument!Jack Keiser, BPC, Raziek, and Overswarm would have the BEST round of Mario Party everrr!
No, believe me I'm smart enough to stay out of this thread. I'm going to let the theory-crafters (who haven't gotten the point yet after everyone has ignored them) continue to spew the same old until they leech on like parasites to another gaming community, perhaps.And ADHD and Orion still really wish ad hominem was actually a valid form of argument!
If you don't think that items, or moving stages, or randomness within our reaction time is competitive, thengo play street fighterprove it.
First of all, dude... how many times have you namedropped me in a thread before? KIESER. It's not that strange of a spelling. Two: there's a reason I have the blue "Tournament Director" name. Smash is fun, but I don't have the hand/eye coordination or muscle memory to play top level matches. I came to terms with that, and I enjoy just playing friendlies and hosting tournaments.For example, Jack Keiser, imagine how good of a player you would be if you sucked up that our ruleset isn't changing, mained metaknight, watched & studied Mew2King's videos, and practiced this game equally for the amount of hours you resided here preeching about items and Shadow Moses. I gaurantee, that by now you'd indefinitely be makin dat $$$.
I'd say I accomplished quite a bit. First of all, no one, and I mean NOBODY, thought that a working items ruleset could be feasibly made. Now, the only people who think that are the people too biased to try it. Enjoy it or not, it works, and that WHOBO tournament proved it. On a personal level, I've grown quite a bit in the understanding of the mechanics of this game, something that's, you know, kind of important for a TO. Second, I was NEVER the "great crusader of items". I was arguing for majority rule, with minority rights. The items things was just a side-bet between Yuna and me. It was the means, but not the end. Again, personally, I'm very grateful for it because it was a mega-project that helped get me out of a pretty serious bout of depression. So, yeah, I'd say I accomplished a lot.I remember one year--maybe even two years--you were the great crusader of the items ordeal. Let me ask you, have you accomplished anything? Anything at all? I really am interested to hear the response.
You, ADHD, would prefer it if we had a nice, big rule that stated "ADHD wins all cash prizes from now on". You, the player, shouldn't matter at all in the creation of the ruleset because you have a conflict of interest. Any rule that helps you is good, and any rule that doesn't is bad. I'm not saying you do this consciously, but that's how humans operate. If I had my way and I could rebuild the community, I'd make the BBR have a membership of NOTHING but TOs, and have a separate "Smash Consultant" role for top players. Top players could comment on the discussion, but they couldn't actually vote on the rules or make/propose any rules themselves. Players are too biased for that.TL:DR version: You are hindering this community from advancing to real issues at hand, whether you believe it or not. We (the ones that indeed do actually practice this game) would prefer it if we did not return to the primitive state of early Melee. Thank you veddy much.
Yeah, and Sirlin was totally a leech on the SF community when he posted a massive game design theory blog that basically defined competitive gaming for years to come.No, believe me I'm smart enough to stay out of this thread. I'm going to let the theory-crafters (who haven't gotten the point yet after everyone has ignored them) continue to spew the same old until they leech on like parasites to another gaming community, perhaps.
1. I play wifi. CONSTANTLY. Like, hours a day, usually against people who are several degrees better than me because I know getting ***** is better than winning-you learn more. I bug people who are better than me to help me find out where I am lacking (which is annoying because most of them on smashboards are not from the EU). I am doing everything in my power to get better. I can take stocks off of players who are legitimately really good (NEpro, AKA Mikeray, for example-he's pretty far up on the PR both in new england and AiB).BPC, your endless debating is futile, when you are not exactly (well, I shouldn't say that, NOT AT ALL) part of the competitive community. So why do you continue to sit on your pedestal trying to change the way a separate body plays Brawl, when you are not part of that entity? I could realistically cut you some slack for your efforts if you were able to experience the rulesets you were promoting, but you can't, and never will.
Real issues? What real issues? What issues are more critical than "75% of the community is made up of gigantic scrubs and they are forcing their playstyle and rulesets on us" at the moment? And do you really think this is stopping metagame developments? If we had our way with the stagelist, it would open up a ridiculous amount of room! Like people finding out "holy **** the limited ground chars are absolutely obscene on obscure counterpick X, Y, or Z for some reason" (like, Diddy I can imagine being absolutely incredible on PTAD. Double nanner lock doesn't kill you at 50 normally). Or people needing to find strats against tactics by other characters that were developed on obscure counterpick stages. You're the one limiting the metagame, not us.TL:DR version: You are hindering this community from advancing to real issues at hand, whether you believe it or not. We (the ones that indeed do actually practice this game) would prefer it if we did not return to the primitive state of early Melee. Thank you veddy much.
I don't even... know how to respond to this.Ally needs not talk with all the dickriding he gets from every other random ever.
Me being one of them.
Ally agrees with generally most of what I say, especially about stages. At a certain point Elliot gave up. He can be pretty cocky, and Jason? lolUhm, they generally just don't join arguments at all.
Especially ally lol. He's pretty casual, for one of the most pro people EVER.
Aight brah.What does that have to do with anything?
I didn't say if he agreed, or disagreed with anyone. I just said he generally stays out of arguments.
Way to derail the topic even more, bro.
I'm pretty sure Jynx has a bigger **** than ganondorf, she is much darker after all.Only male Jynx's evolve into a ganondorf, dude.
I'm sorry our smash scene is not up to par with Idaho's trolling....
Spamming aside, i wonder why all NJ players are such bad trolls?
you actually have zero idea what your talking about LOL.If you don't think that items, or moving stages, or randomness within our reaction time is competitive, thengo play street fighterprove it.
i dont think you understand the skill gap between mikeray and a top player >_>. you can take "stocks" off of a average snake LOL.1. I play wifi. CONSTANTLY. Like, hours a day, usually against people who are several degrees better than me because I know getting ***** is better than winning-you learn more. I bug people who are better than me to help me find out where I am lacking (which is annoying because most of them on smashboards are not from the EU). I am doing everything in my power to get better. I can take stocks off of players who are legitimately really good (NEpro, AKA Mikeray, for example-he's pretty far up on the PR both in new england and AiB).
LOL IRONYReal issues? What real issues? What issues are more critical than "75% of the community is made up of gigantic scrubs and they are forcing their playstyle and rulesets on us" at the moment? And do you really think this is stopping metagame developments? If we had our way with the stagelist, it would open up a ridiculous amount of room! Like people finding out "holy **** the limited ground chars are absolutely obscene on obscure counterpick X, Y, or Z for some reason" (like, Diddy I can imagine being absolutely incredible on PTAD. Double nanner lock doesn't kill you at 50 normally). Or people needing to find strats against tactics by other characters that were developed on obscure counterpick stages. You're the one limiting the metagame, not us.
Lol if it wasn't for me, this probably wouldn't have been here yet. And for the record guys, I agree with ADHD. By the way, ADHD, at fusion, i was the person who typed TALK TO ME ADHD!<3's for BPC. Yay for discussing the ruleset in the ruleset discussion thread.
Probably not. But he's at least decent in the sense that he's on the NEPR, and the point is I'm getting people like him and others to play me so I can try to spot my weak points.you actually have zero idea what your talking about LOL.
i dont think you understand the skill gap between mikeray and a top player >_>. you can take "stocks" off of a average snake LOL.
I know.also, wifi LOL good ****. wifi is good for learning, and thinking will transfer into irl play. however you cant learn how to adapt properly to a lot of situations, especially proper punishing through Just playing wifi. your lack of inexperience really shows
heres a good example. A LOCAL YOSHI/MK IN MY TOWN i decided to apprentice. I played him twice a week for a lot of hours during the school year. he really started to show improvement but hes Very incapable of placing in money in good regions.
4th on the ladder is a top player from mexico (wario i forget his name) and wins tournaments out there. my local friend beat him in grand finals recently and made 250$ when he went to mexico for summer vacation
Not seeing it.LOL IRONY