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Certain customs encouraged particularly degenerate strategies. Such as Tripping Tree Villager.
It did punish careless aggression, but in a much different way. Tripping Tree discouraged careless aggression in a way that makes the game much more of a slog to play by preventing you from approaching in the first place, while Bayo discourages careless agression by beating the **** out of you if you approach with your guard down.
How though? Just avoiding the sapling isn't enough?
Since tripping sapling is basically a banana that you could never pick up, it sectioned off areas of the stage giving villager ridiculous stage control (which was then used to lame out the opponent super hard)
45% of 550. It is really not that significant.
I'm sure that if it was 10%:90% you'd claim it was significant [and I would still agree with you], so how many people have to vote before you start to realize that being so evenly divided is significant?
Sorry, but I don't think so. I always think small polls is overrated.
Normally, but this poll isn't a voted by randoms, it was voted by volunteers.
As long as people don't take the poll too seriously or use its results as an argument, I don't really mind it.
All top players agree she is #1
It's also the least effective way to prove how "broken" she is. If people just swallowed their pride and made upcoming tournies all bayo dittos like pre-patch diddy, I guarantee you we'd see the dev team address it and nerf bayo in all the right places.
Actually, no, there's one other criterion that you're missing.
There are only two players I can think of that do that; ZeRo who actually has been shaming people for using the character, and Ally.
There are so many things wrong with this statement.
That's an absurd requisite. Someone whose already a Top 10 player, and only in the US, whose already put in the work on another main for over a year, probably uses Smash as their primary source of income, HAS to switch to a character many think will be nerfed in order to convince you she isn't soft banned?
You have to consider people aren't going to throw away a year or more of character experience and labbing, especially when Bayonetta is almost definitely getting nerfed in a little while. Diddy was a release character, and players really couldn't measure how good he was relative to the cast at the beginning. Bayonetta started in an environment where all relevant characters had developed metas, so we had an actual metric with which to point out the issues in her design.
No one cares about mid-low level play as examples of anything, because whatever they complain about being too strong is nullified by 'get better, adapt' which is completely fair advice.
That's...not true in the slightest?
...mostly by people who picked Shiek up instead of Diddy when the game came out, if we're just looking at the top players. Only one I can think of that switched to keep going with the best character was ZeRo. As you go down the list there were plenty of other Diddys (which, again, in a previous post you asserted had also been soft banned) switching to Sheik, just not at that level.
No, but you calling it a theory does.
But most importantly, your justifications are meritless and contrary to the data. Bayonetta is used quite a lot in the US, by several top players.
She doesn't, and I can easily claim that's just as much of a fact.
1.) my Smash Corner came out with a video talking about how to DI and Smash DI combos. I think this is what people are referring to where people aren't even trying to learn the match-up.
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Except Akuma got banned in a game which didn't get balance patches, so Akuma couldn't get fixed at all. Also, could you refresh my memory? I don't exactly remember why he got banned, but I recall him being fast as hell, strong as hell, and being the best juggler in the game. Bayonetta doesn't quite fit that due to her speed and lag
Akuma quite literally invalidated the entire cast.
Luigi wasn't a fraction of the threat that Bayonetta is and Hoo-Ha and Sheik were. There's a reason why you never saw a Luigi win a national. Meanwhile, you could search up "smash 4 tournament" and damn near every Grand Finals would have Sheik, Zero Suit, or Diddy in it. It's honestly kind of absurd to compare Luigi and Bayonetta.
Fast as hell, strong as hell, and had moves that flat out broke the rules of the game, such as an air fireball (it was a simpler time), resulting him being basically untouchable if you know what you're doing, thus invalidating the entire cast.
Any and all comparisons of Akuma to Bayonetta are now invalid. Bayonetta has multiple weakness. Tough to exploit at times, yes, but Akuma being untouchable removes his low HP. That's disgusting
the only reason it took so long for metaknight to be banned, was some stubborn bullheaded anti-ban players who were extremely vocal.
Luigi's grab killing you at 80 was sort of a big deal and over centralized his gameplay. And I'd say Luigi consistently killing you at 75%+ way better than Bayonetta. Nintendo obviously doesn't want that. It's the same reason why Bowser, Diddy, and MK were nerfed despite MK or Bowser ever winning something big. Apparently they don't like super linear, autopilot, brain dead play. Luigi's most optimal punish 100% of the time were grabs for racking up damage and taking the stock. It didn't require you to think because the best punish every time was a grab. A.k.a brain dead. They tend to "nerf" characters like that very quickly and was why Sheik wasn't nerfed hard for like a year. It's easy to nerf something when you know 100% for sure what the problem is. While with Sheik, she wasn't some one trick pony. You couldn't pin point any one thing on Sheik and say "Ah, yes. That's why she's the best character in the game." Say what you want about Bayonetta, but she isn't brain dead or centralized in the least bit. Bayonetta can sometimes cause anxiety or stress because when you punish an opponent with a combo and they don't die you constantly question yourself if there could have been a better combo you could have done to get the kill or a different combo you could have done for better damage. I know, #toptierproblems but it's true.
I want to add an argument on this. Bayobanners will most likely argue about Witch Time, but even then, just grab her or punish Bayonetta with a smash attack or something
All the same, Luigi's weaknesses were no laughing matter, and they were what kept him from being in the same class as all the aforementioned characters. What if he can't get grab? Then the opponent lives until 130%. Then you finally catch them, and they're out of kill range. What if you zone him out? What if you gimp his recovery? What if you pressure his shield? Luigi may have been simple at first glance, but he still had one hell of a struggle, a struggle that couldn't be solved by simply mashing forward air, or throwing bananas and Hoo-Ha-ing, or slowing down time.
This has nothing to do with the thread really, and judging by your history of posts, it's a fact you enjoy messing with people. I advice arguing this in a PM
Luigi had a clear set of weaknesses to counter his grab game so that's why luigi wasn't winning tourneys left and right. Bayo is winning a ton of tourneys consistently and is carrying players to victory who wouldn't be so successful without bayo
