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As they say, almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Which is why I ask people still take his word almost as law. If he has "bad sources" which he has admitted he has in the Belmont leak, why is he still the topic here? It does nothing but prove his word can't be completely trusted. That's all I'm saying. It only gets you overhyped and at that point you're setting yourself up for failure.
How so? Is it that both of them are just so out of left field that it's hard to find any viable moveset for rhem?
To give a long history short.
and ) and , two characters who weren't part of the leak. Adding to this, Chrom was part of the leak but was Robin's Final Smash. Essentially, the leak died and so did Chorus Kids ( survived)
I was thinking something along the lines of them both being highly speculated fighters, to the point that everyone considers them to be "most likely." Only for base game and dlc to finish and neither of them are to be found.
Kind of. We have actual data of the playable franchise logos, with Chorus Heaven being among them. So it wasn't fake at all. It was just outdated information. Basically, we can't confirm it was literally Chorus Kids, but consider Chrom got confirmed as outdated directly by Sakurai, and everything else fits with Gematsu, it's extremely likely it was Chorus Kids.To give a long history short.
During the Smash 4 days, there was the "Gematsu Leaks" because one guy got a list of 6 characters that were to be newcomers in Smash 4 and got three right (
In July 2014, he claimed Shulk was next, but instead we got
In short, they were part of a long standing leak that ended up false.
I actually forgot about the Rhythm Heaven logo in the game files when I wrote that up.
I doubt it'd only be Stage Builder. We'd get more than that. We'll probably get a general Stage Builder like the previous games instead. With the usual 3rd party content for Minecraft, like everything else. Though I doubt we'll get any AT's for DLC, despite being free. Music could easily vary, as some music is on stages unrelated to it directly. Like how the Dr. Mario music has been on stages besides Mario ones as is. If we get B&K, it getting Minecraft music on its own stage is quite possible. Though I could see that being avoided. Spirits/Mii Costume, though? That seems logical for Minecraft(if Steve isn't playable). Likewise, I think Banjo & Kazooie would easily get some kind of content if we see Steve or Master Chief playable. And same with Halo content. I honestly feel that if we get Microsoft stuff, all 3 franchises will get content. I'm not as confident on B&K and Halo content as I am on Minecraft stuff, but as I said, I can easily be wrong. Predictions are nothing more than applying logic. Doesn't mean that the same logic would be applied when making Smash content. Sakurai isn't us, after all.
Exactly. Verge never posts something unless he's sure of it. He can post new information, or explain why the information is wrong.
I remember reading an article about multiple projects ,But I think they it said that they can only handle 1 big budget game and a side project at most. If they were a 2 team studio then we would have gotten games from them consistently every few years the past decade.
IMO I feel like verge is out due to a lot of wrong leaks including the direct even his rude aditude.
No. I'm saying he may still have real information.
I'm honestly kind of doubtful that Retro is on any grounds to make 2 games at once unless 1 of those games is relatively small.
Oh sorry I didn’t mean to post that what I said it was for somthing else. I edited it whoopsNo. I'm saying he may still have real information.
Nobody was ever under his shadow. You're choosing to act like he's super important to speculation. Nobody has to take him into account, regardless of being correct on a lot of stuff.
Thus, if he gets chosen to talk about, that's people bringing him up of their own accord. No more, no less. People can talk about what they want(within the forum rules). I suggest just not talking about him if he bothers you that much. For the record, I fully understand why you don't like leaks. I get it. More than you can imagine. I've dealt with them on this forum before being a Moderator. It was a pain, even after I became one. It can be a problem for anyone. For the record, we couldn't keep a Leak thread up due to being too off-topic, and the original one for Smash 4 was really really bad.
I hope that fully answers your question.
Ah, that's fair. I see what you mean. But like I said, his source that gave him Super Mario Maker 2 is the same source as Erdrick being in. I'd remain skeptical but keep an eye on that alone. Not saying he has to be brought up all the time, but Verge may not be out.Oh sorry I didn’t mean to post that what I said it was from somthing else. I edited it whoops
That's not the real Vergeben. He doesn't use Twitter. It's a troll impersonating him.
Yeah I already knew that. That's why I found it suspicious when the screenshot of that tweet was posted.
As I said, I think they will show up in some form if Microsoft gets content. I just have come to realize that Mii Costumes are a legitimate possibility. Though to be fair, I think they're great things and a nice prize to the characters who couldn't fully make it in. But that's their intention anyway. They're consolation prizes that are about respect for the character. They're no slap in the face. Gotta look at the reason they even exist. They're for characters who couldn't just make it in. It's like Assist Trophies too. Sakurai puts them in with love and care, basically. It's pretty much that Sakurai has tons of respect and care of the character to do so. Though in this case, Spirits don't count in the same way since his crew chose them. He didn't oversee everything, but his intent is still very benevolent.
Understood
Plus, they get in because they respect the character who couldn't become playable. People should look at the intention behind it, not what the result feels like. It ain't as good as playable, of course. Never will be. But it's still a big thing to be playable even as a skin. It's a nice nod, and sometimes the best some characters have gotten. I'm happy with my Ashley and Isaac costumes. I'd be happier with them playable. That said, I'd love a Fulgore Brawler costume, since I doubt he'd get in over the big 3, Banjo & Kazooie, Master Chief, and Steve. They're the top contenders right now.
Ooh. What kind of attacks would Kazooie be able to do? Or would it be basically billed as a Banjo costume instead?
Considering the fan demand behind Banjo and Kazooie I highly doubt they could make it work as a Mii costume. Banjo-Kazooie's unique design and abilities do not really fit into the 3 archtypes of the Mii fighters. If we are to get Mii costumes based on Microsoft owned properties I predict a Steve swordfighter (because lets face it the diamond sword is more iconic than Steve), A Master Chief Gunner, and a Fulgore/Rash brawler one or the other.)
The fan demand would get Banjo & Kazooie a costume alone if they couldn't be playable. How do you think Ashley and Isaac got costumes in the first place? Same situation here. That's actually what characters extremely often get if they can't be playable. Mii Costumes. Isabelle is another example. And Takamaru. And King K. Rool. Etc. Some did get updated to playable in Ultimate.
Actually he got a lot wrong too.
He never said she was an Echo either. This is false. What he said was he had no idea if she was unique or an echo. Because his source didn't either.
And what he got right was all Wii U characters returning(which no, was not an easy guess), Ridley, Incinerorar, Isabelle, Ken, Ice Climbers, Simon, Ice Climbers, Wolf. All characters he name dropped too. Please actually say how it really happened instead of bending the truth. And that's right, nobody leaked those characters to him(Richter, Chrom, Inklings, Dark Samus, Ridley, King K. Rool). He didn't piggyback off of anyone either, but had his own sources. Besides that, nobody actually leaked Inklings. At all. Everybody figured out they were coming if a new Smash game was. They were the only beyond obvious lock that everybody could beyond see coming that there was nobody who needed convincing. No solid arguments for or against in any way either. The only thing debated was why they weren't in Smash 4. At best. For that matter, the leaks started way after Smash Ultimate's reveal, where Inklings had their "trailer"(though only kind of, as they lacked a tagline too, since it was more like a Smash Ultimate teaser than an Inklings Trailer itself). Kind of impossible to leak what was already revealed, you know? But hey, things aren't that black and white anyway.
Even Nintendo employees were literally surprised at this. Almost nobody knew. At least know the whole situation and why it was never leaked. That's not how leaks works. Nobody ever gets the full story from the start. Even Smash 4's information was split up to some degree originally. Gematsu didn't have the full details either. The fact we got a full picture leak of 4's final roster was a fluke, nowhere near something that is reasonable to expect. Even the leaker himself(one who is two people who dealt with the leak) made that clear. Any leak about a game comes from multiple sources. The whole "everyone is here" was an extremely well-kept secret to the point that a ton of people at Nintendo were kept in the dark. Verge can't leak the impossible if his source would never know, which is an accurate assessment of the situation. If he had said "only these characters and returning and nobody else", you might have a remote point. But you don't. He didn't literally say a certain characters were not in, which is an actual proper statement. You either know something or you don't. He, like most people, didn't know the entire roster was returning. Simple as that. Life isn't that black and white as you're attempting to make it, and never will be. Leakers get information from more than one source. This means not only can some sources be right, and some be wrong, but it means that some sources won't have the whole story. Verge clearly didn't get the whole story, but bare two things, got the rest right with the information he actually released. Coupled with leakbait, and it's easy to see why the Minecraft and SE content wasn't main game. Could also be last minute changes to plans, or just "talks about consideration of the ideas". His sources even were conflicted on how MC was going to be in. Good reason for that. And the fun part about the SE rep is he had multiple different possibilities. He also found out enough information to declare it "it might be base roster or DLC". Now, he did jump the gun too early on the SE information, absolutely. So see my next paragraph, cause the MC and SE stuff should be held against him. He actually got that wrong entirely. Not stuff he gets wrong if you stretch it enough to make him look bad when he told the truth.
I like your Geno the Poo-Kazooie avatar lol! It's awesome.
Xenoblade Chronicles was released in Europe in 2011 and the US in 2012, and the series had a cult following before Shulk's inclusion in Smash 4 before the series went big. So no, it's not like Melee were westerns didn't know who Marth or Roy was because any of the games in their series was only in Japan during Melee's release. so to answer that, you wouldn't be a weeaboo knowing about Shulk before Smash 4 because his game was actually released here in the west before hand.
Than I guess Banjo & Kazooie is this game's version of Duck Hunt.
He also leakedTo give a long history short.
During the Smash 4 days, there was the "Gematsu Leaks" because one guy got a list of 6 characters that were to be newcomers in Smash 4 and got three right (
In July 2014, he claimed Shulk was next, but instead we got
In short, they were part of a long standing leak that ended up false.
, (Who just like Verge at first didn't know which Pokemon it was.), , , , , and . He also missed , , , and . I didn't know Retro developed Mario Kart 7. That was the only Mario spin off from what I can recall that doesn't have Waluigi playable in it. Waluigi's Pinball though was a track in that game.
Of course Banjo & Kazooie are going to be playable if they get in Smash. They deserve playable status more than to be anything else in Smash.
Really can't be bothered to read your essay but I'm assuming you're trying to say I'm wrong. I followed his stuff closely, I even had some (I stress some) of his information myself behind the scenes.
Mario Kart 7 was mainly developed by Nintendo EAD/Internal teams ,But Retro Studios helped co-develop the game and providing assets for Donkey Kong such as creating the DKC Returns racing track.I like your Geno the Poo-Kazooie avatar lol! It's awesome.
Xenoblade Chronicles was released in Europe in 2011 and the US in 2012, and the series had a cult following before Shulk's inclusion in Smash 4 before the series went big. So no, it's not like Melee were westerns didn't know who Marth or Roy was because any of the games in their series was only in Japan during Melee's release. so to answer that, you wouldn't be a weeaboo knowing about Shulk before Smash 4 because his game was actually released here in the west before hand.
Than I guess Banjo & Kazooie is this game's version of Duck Hunt.
He also leaked
I didn't know Retro developed Mario Kart 7. That was the only Mario spin off from what I can recall that doesn't have Waluigi playable in it. Waluigi's Pinball though was a track in that game.
Of course Banjo & Kazooie are going to be playable if they get in Smash. They deserve playable status more than to be anything else in Smash.
We still have to remember that the DLC team is limited to only a dozen or so people. Any leaks about the DLC are nonexistent aside from the few of many text leaks that guessed Joker correctly. Since this is on Verge then he still has 0 credibility about the DLC now that base game is out. If anything this mass ridicule against him should hopefully get him to shut up.
I made it in the geno thread as a ****post. Was told I need to use it or else.
That doesn't stop the companies they negotiated with talking about it. Like if you believe tansuit with Cloud then someone on the negotiating team at SE is willing to spill the beans. So it could seem likely for it to happen again with other companies if it happened with SE.
I bet dollars to donuts that Hashimoto collaborates with leakers, because he just can't keep himself from shutting up about big news.
It would fully make me think the rest if the DLC will be nothing more then to just promote something. Completely ignoring all fan input.
