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That's not how I read that. Look at this part,
It sounds like Retro saw he was popular and wanted to bring him back but Sakurai called dibs first. They had only made one game before that and it says nothing about them wanting to put him in that one, just Tropical Freeze. So at the very worst he got "held back" from one game and considering Sakurai's status with the company and how much hype a revival in Smash would be I completely understand why they would go this route.
Even if it was two games that doesn't change what I said, they didn't hold him back because they hate him or hate Rare but because Sakurai wanted to be the one to do the revival. Call it selfish, call it dumb, but there is no denying that the big draw for Smash is the characters and getting to "revive" old characters back to their former glory is a huge part of Smash's success so saving K. Rool's revival for Smash makes sense considering Donkey Kong wasn't exactly selling all that well before Retro brought them back.
Did you read the part where Dave Throat said there was multiple parties within Nintendo that tried to bring back K. Rool in the past and got shut down by people?
Eh, his stance seems to be more along the lines of “plot interferes with gameplay”. In this day and age, though, the plot is much more able to complement the gameplay rather than getting in its way.
Well other than the one about Retro, who is the only company who's worked on a mainline DK game since Rare left (the rest being the Konga series, the Swing series, the Mario vs Donkey Kong series, and Barrel Blast), who are those other parties? And if he had been in any of those he still would have just been in "spin-off hell" as you said.
I'm confused, is your concern that we aren't seeing Bowser plan out different kidnapping schemes? Are you wanting him to Mission Impossible or Ocean's Eleven into Peach's castle before every game so we know the exact way he kidnapped her?
You do realize that New Super Mario Bros AND New Super Mario Bros Wii are both in the top 5 best selling Mario games of all time? Despite what you're saying it would appear most people are pretty happy with the new games.
The grinch roster felt like everyone got someone that appealed to them. You had swordsmen with Issac, oddballs with Chorus Kids, retro with Mach Rider, out of nowhere and highly requested third parties with Banjo and Geno, and two solid echos with shadow and ken. It seemed like it appealed to everyone old and new and just felt like the ultimate roster. Granted I'm not upset with what we got, would have liked some more characters at the very least one or two more first parties, but this would've been perfect
I'm glad you brought that up, Kroda Stagg! Let's look at all the moves Banjo & Kazooie could learn in their respective games and see just how many moves could be made into their moveset!
That's what I have been saying. But let's end this discussion because it's off topic for this thread agreed?
Me too Nintendo and Microsoft:Do it Nintendo. Do it.
This feels more like a reveal to save for E3, personally speaking. Don't wanna blow the load early again, right?Do it Nintendo. Do it.
It's 50-50 currently. Everything points to a possible inclusion, and it also doesn't. It makes perfect sense, and yet it's complicated. All we can do is hope.
It really is sad that the timing of everything prevented them from making it into Smash back when they were at their most relevant state. I think most of us who grew up in the 90s always wondered where Banjo was in Smash 64 and Melee. I know I certainly did
Same here bro. Nintendo's SNES & N64 days were the cornerstone of my childhood with Banjo Kazooie at the helm. I've always felt that if there was at least one character who truly "deserved" to be in Smash Bros, it's BK. I mean, c'mon Nintendo/Sakurai. You play Banjo Kazooie for 5 minutes and you can already see the moveset, aesthetic, personality, charm and potential inside of this duo.
I was happy with the final results for Smash 4 and Brawl (I felt that Brawl should have had Megaman at the time to ice the cake but that was it). This Smash just didn't have any real WOW characters outside of the ones announced at the August direct which were characters that I liked but didn't really want. Smash 4 had Pacman, Megaman, Rosalina, Bowser Jr, Little Mac, Duck Hunt, etc. (not including the DLC which was epic too). So much win.
*GASP*
The split up mechanic would be pretty ballsy, but I think that is a little to complex for Smash. Banjo and Kazooie work best as a team, and their moveset should show that off. I mostly agree with the ideas here. I'd propose a down-b move that can act as a toggle between using the Breegull Blaster. Press B can fire eggs while an A attack works as a jab like the beak bayonet.*GASP*
Are you suggesting that B-K is a totally unique character team who has basically nothing in common with Duck Hunt and therefore shouldn't be their echo?!? How dare you! Someone arrest this person!
Oh? Then please, enlighten us with a link.
Pretty much, yep! Guilty as charged! Other than the mammal-bird dynamic, they have nothing in common. In fact, Duck Hunt seem more like an echo of Banjo & Kazooie than they do as representatives of their own game! But I do like them for representing NES arcade shooters in general from back in the day, with their Zapper smash attacks, and Wild Gunman and Hogan's Alley moves. But anyone legitimately believing Banjo & Kazooie would be echoes of Duck Hunt are ignorant and extremely misinformed. Banjo & Kazooie would be their own unique entity with a two-in-one dynamic that easily sets them apart from Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers, Pokemon Trainer, and Rosalina & Luma.*GASP*
Are you suggesting that B-K is a totally unique character team who has basically nothing in common with Duck Hunt and therefore shouldn't be their echo?!? How dare you! Someone arrest this person!
I also believe Diddy Kong was suppose to be playable in Melee because K. Rool and Dixie Kong got trophies in that game, but he didn't. Rare still owned Diddy during the production and release of Melee before the buyout the following year from Microsoft, so the buyout could have delayed Diddy's inclusion in the Smash series. So if the buyout didn't happen, we probably would have gotten both Diddy Kong and Banjo & Kazooie in Melee. That's crazy to think about right? I think that theory is even more conveniencing since Diddy got in Brawl along with the other scrapped Melee characters like King Dedede, Wario, and Pit.
Actually Rare wanted to pad out the DKC cast so created new characters for DK64.
Rare never owned Diddy.
I'm pretty sure it's because characters created for the DK franchise (bar the Diddy Kong Racing crew (except Diddy and Krunch)) we're given to Nintendo following the buyout.
