Banjo-Kazooie Mafia: Grunty's Back! Game Over! Did Grunty win in the end?

[Kaladin]

Some basic process of elimination.

I believe RadicalRat and Maven are town. Radical for our **** town squabble earlier and Maven for pointing out things that no one else noticed.

This leaves us with a lynch list of tako/GenericHandle/Koopa/Orbo.

If we’re to believe tako’s claim and his night action then Koopa is temporarily cleared taking them both out of the lynch list.

Which means we can kill Orbo/GenericHandle. Out of the two, I'm more leaning onto Generic.

GenericHandle, if you're around please explain why you're going hard onto tako right now.

What has Tako accomplished this game?

-When Bardul was going to be lynched anyway, he filled about a page of the thread with a staged fight.
-He then used this to pose as a confirmed townie
-He used his so-called confirmed townie status to lynch not only a townie, but one of the better players.
-Today, he hopes to continue his confirmed townie-ness to lynch... You guessed it! Another townie.

When they realized bard was gonna die anyways, they went all in with the bussing to get as much out of it as possible.

Regardless, he has not been held accountable for anything/has not been put under any real pressure this game. I aim to change that.

 

[Kaladin]

Oh... Yeah I forgot Koopa existed. If we get to thursday irl and he still hasn't said anything of significance, that's where my vote's going.

 

[Zaixl]

*Looks at Moosy*
*Looks at flip*
*Looks back at Moosy*
Wauw.
I'll be watching, so don't go and kill yourselves, mkay?

 

[MoosyDoosy]

*Looks at Moosy*
*Looks at flip*
*Looks back at Moosy*
Wauw.
I'll be watching, so don't go and kill yourselves, mkay?

lol rip Zaixl. <3 you're still scum in my eyes though.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Your lynch list is too big.

There are two scum left, and you have twice that on your lynch list. That's just inviting an easy mislynch.

I'd put Tako and Koopa on mine.

Generic seems iffy, as do you, but Koopa's silence is REALLY scary, and I've already given my thoughts on Sneaky.

Orbo and Maven feel Town, with you and Generic as nullscum

The rest of my post says I have Orbo/Generic as my lynches right now. I don't really understand role intricacies so I guess I'll just sheep whatever you guys say about Koopa being cleared or not. ofc this is on the basis that tako is blue.

I mean, my main beef with Orbo right now is that he hasn't really contributed anything spectacular much like Generic. His tone does lean town which is an okay read for D1 but as the game steadily progresses it becomes more and more bothering.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Generic, I'm curious as to what you thought of tako after the BarD flip. Not now, but what you thought then.

 

[Kaladin]

Generic, I'm curious as to what you thought of tako after the BarD flip. Not now, but what you thought then.

He was nulltown then.

 

[RadicalRat]

Generic, I'm curious as to what you thought of tako after the BarD flip. Not now, but what you thought then.

How does this help anything? It's irrelevant how our good friend Sneaky looked back when Bard first flipped, because we have more information and more reactions now.

Plus, hindsight bias will interfere with this. You're not going to be able to accurately recall reads in the past, because you view the past through the lens of the present.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

How does this help anything? It's irrelevant how our good friend Sneaky looked back when Bard first flipped, because we have more information and more reactions now.

Plus, hindsight bias will interfere with this. You're not going to be able to accurately recall reads in the past, because you view the past through the lens of the present.

No, it's relevant because I find a "nulltown" strange in relation to this:

Hmmm. Not unexpected.

tako is pretty much confirmed town in my book, as this makes his odd night tracker claim far more plausible.

Tako, with that in mind, do you still advocate a Rake lynch? Why or why not?

 

[MoosyDoosy]

If tako is "pretty much confirmed town" and Generic's question was answered because tako did go after Rake, where exactly did his read on tako change during the time in between? There should be nothing to change his read that drastically.

The only thing that really through people off was tako being a **** but that's WIFOM level at best.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

I think I'm going to be very okay with a GenericHandle lynch for this day.
- Very lurky and not contributing much
- Initial person to put doubt on tako to get people to kill him (attempt to save BarD)
- weird read change on tako and trying to push him now
- unnecessarily antagonistic right now

Not to mention there is no reason to not believe tako's claim right now. There is little reason for tako to have bused BarD to that extent and call out so much attention to himself.

 

[RadicalRat]

Generic reads Tako as scum NOW.

This means that when Generic looks back, his actions will look scummier than they did at the time.


While I do find a lot of his behavior questionable, primarily his aggressiveness, this isn't a fair point to hold against him.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Generic reads Tako as scum NOW.

This means that when Generic looks back, his actions will look scummier than they did at the time.


While I do find a lot of his behavior questionable, primarily his aggressiveness, this isn't a fair point to hold against him.

It's not about the timeline, it's about how he suddenly changed his read out of nowhere based on nothing.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Let me spell this out for you.

BarD vs sneakytako situation:
- BarD claims with little specifics
- sneakytako claims with specifics and lays a trap (this is unlikely to be busing because it's so outlandish to call this much attention to yourself for something that you can be super discrete with)
- Generic disbelieves tako and pushes for a wagon on him.

Post-BarD flip:
- Generic says sneakytako is "pretty much confirmed town" and asks him whether he'll continue with his Rake scumread.
- sneakytako comes into thread, acts like a ****, and continues with his Rake scumread.
- Different people hammer Rake.

Post-Rake flip:
- Generic is being antagonistic towards tako and wants to lynch him here.

Generic's read switches with little reason: scumread ---> confirmed town ---> scumread.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Did you really think he was scum at this post? I have real trouble trying to rationalize this vote

Also, Generic, care to elaborate on your defense of Bardull and why you assumed Sneaky was the liar at the end of Day 1? While I agree he's not 100% confirmed town, I'd put it at an 80% and really don't understand how you can rationalize voting him.

I also really hate you even suggested "lynch rake then you afterwards"

This post from Maven is gold as well.

Generic, post your defense of Rake now.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

There's also how Generic lied about reading tako as "nulltown" when he thought he was "pretty much confirmed town". A town lean is completely different from a confirmed town.

 

[Maven89]

Zaixl you can't be liking posts when you're dead

 

[Orboknown]

Theres this thing called a flip that happened between, where the dude sneaky pushed hardest (eho i think scumread sneaky) flipped town.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Theres this thing called a flip that happened between, where the dude sneaky pushed hardest (eho i think scumread sneaky) flipped town.

Do you think the flip warrants a scumread on tako?

btw, this is also why I'm asking for his defense on Rake in order to analyze it.

 

[sneakytako]

From my perspective, all i've done is scum hunt.

I'm 1 for 2, not bad imo in a pool of 3 scum out of 11.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Another question. Do you think the flip warrants a 180 degree read change too? I don't think so.

 

[sneakytako]

The thing is moosey, I actually think Generic might not be scum.

Consider it this way.

If generic is scum, then there's only one scum left. The simplest play for scum here is to lynch either koopa or orbo; I think they have the weakest town plays, and would be easiest to create a case.

If generic is scum, he has to be confident that he can convince at least 3 more town that I'm scum, and I'm confident that there's not enough evidence to make this play.

Either way it's a bad play, town or scum.

 

[sneakytako]

Still waiting on rake defence Kaladin

 

[MoosyDoosy]

The thing is moosey, I actually think Generic might not be scum.

Consider it this way.

If generic is scum, then there's only one scum left. The simplest play for scum here is to lynch either koopa or orbo; I think they have the weakest town plays, and would be easiest to create a case.

If generic is scum, he has to be confident that he can convince at least 3 more town that I'm scum, and I'm confident that there's not enough evidence to make this play.

Either way it's a bad play, town or scum.

Hm?

Oh... Yeah I forgot Koopa existed. If we get to thursday irl and he still hasn't said anything of significance, that's where my vote's going.

 

[sneakytako]

Another question. Do you think the flip warrants a 180 degree read change too? I don't think so.

It doesn't make a lot of sense, but I think this is him giving in to his frustration after being mad at me.

It's a 50/50 that generic is scum in my mind, I want to be a little more sure before I vote.

 

[Kaladin]

I'll get back to ya in a few hours, Moosy.

 

[sneakytako]

I might have missed that swing to koopa moosey. 60/40 scum atm for generic.

 

[sneakytako]

TO MOD PLEASE PROD KOOPA.

 

[Orboknown]

Do you think the flip warrants a scumread on tako?

btw, this is also why I'm asking for his defense on Rake in order to analyze it.

I'm definitely consideting it. That **** olayed put what too clean with all the wink wink nudge nudge bs and how conveniently that claim lined up.

From my perspective, all i've done is scum hunt.

I'm 1 for 2, not bad imo in a pool of 3 scum out of 11.

Bussing is a thing.

Another question. Do you think the flip warrants a 180 degree read change too? I don't think so.

I'm okay with it.

 

[sneakytako]

For reference.

Rake wagon was as follows. SneakyTako, RadRat, Zaixl, Maven, Orbo

Maven is the most town out of this group, orbo is the least town imo.

 

[Orboknown]

Thats not saying kuch as you're really only comparing two people (me and rad, mavens pretty obvtown imo)

 

[sneakytako]

I want to make a case against obro, but at this point I feel anything I say might sound OMGUS. Gonna have to think about this one.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Orbo, do you seriously believe scum would bus in the most noticeable way possible with a claim, counter claim, and all the fanfare involved? That would just look worse lol.

 

[Orboknown]

Nah you aint gon a run this ml train any farther.

 

[sneakytako]

Thats not saying kuch as you're really only comparing two people (me and rad, mavens pretty obvtown imo)

Looking at the third person perspective, what actions have you done that make you seem town?

 

[MoosyDoosy]

For reference.

Rake wagon was as follows. SneakyTako, RadRat, Zaixl, Maven, Orbo

Maven is the most town out of this group, orbo is the least town imo.

Standard analysis is that scum spread themselves out for the vote. Not hard to believe one was on the Rake wagon and one off. Or that Koopa is scum and the other is just elsewhere.

 

[sneakytako]

EBWOP: Looking at it from a third person perspective

 

[Orboknown]

Orbo, do you seriously believe scum would bus in the most noticeable way possible with a claim, counter claim, and all the fanfare involved? That would just look worse lol.

Which is exactly why they would do it. Too obvscum to be scum is very much a way people think and ive done it before (reference the last couple games i played in as WATT)

 

[Orboknown]

Looking at the third person perspective, what actions have you done that make you seem town?

Thats not a fair question because anything i view is gonna be tainted by the fact i know I'm town and the only things ive really done is have a slow d1/d2 when military **** kicked up.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

Which is exactly why they would do it. Too obvscum to be scum is very much a way people think and ive done it before (reference the last couple games i played in as WATT)

You're thinking way too much. The game should be kept simple for at least one or two more days before we apply tinfoil IF we're not going anywhere.