Bad Idea Mafia Vol. 3 - Ovah!?

[Tandora]

DAYKILL : KUZ

If Kuz turns out to be town and I don't live, we should scrutinize Nich next.

 

[th3kuzinator]

right. because THATS what we agreed to.

freaking tandora.

Sorry Gheb. Wasn't able to give my all this game because of my V/LA. I apologize.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Still can't understand how my death was any better than like 50% of the current cast.

 

[Xivii]

He was supposed to claim first yo.

 

[vanderzant]

On iPod, sorry for wrong account

We need to be ready to quick shoot tomorrow in case kuz flips town because if tan isn't the assassin the actual assassin can shoot and end the game.

But I feel like tan is scum for not waiting for the claim. Check her out during the night.

@mod request deadline for when the next day will start

 

[~ Gheb ~]

t3hkuzinator [Townie] has been shot dead by Tandora.

Night 2 begins. Send in night actions until Monday March 7th!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Vander

Day 3 will begin on Monday 3pm GMT

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Chuckie, Bomb, has been killed during the night. Day 3 starts!

Cooldown: Tandora, 24 hours

 

[Omni]

DAYKILL: Zen

why the **** not
and no im not scum

 

[Omni]

if Zen flips scum
someone shoot Mac
or
idk
yeah, shoot Mac
maybe

cop if you got clears claim

Mac can u claim

 

[Swiss]

Was about to shoot you, Mac or Nix.

Couldn't decide.

Zen is a bad shot imho. But w/e I should have realised and made a decision before the game started. So much V/LA. Goddamn.

 

[Swiss]

Why didn't you shoot Mac?

You should have shot Mac.

Why did Tan not even give us the time to figure this out yesterday?

Why did I not re-read the thread before the day started?

Why so many questions?

 

[Omni]

yea i was actually just playing
i can't really shoot
do what u gotta do, Swiss

and don't asks why's, Swiss
specifically said not to pull a Kevin and tan does so anyway
wanting to end the day doesnt mean ignoring claims
but if shes scum then
kudos

 

[Swiss]

So you just won the game, scumni?

 

[Omni]

wat
i just said i wasn't scum
how did u derive that

 

[Swiss]

Because shooting when you don't have the day vig ability is a modkill offence? So if you are telling the truth, you just gave town a 100% loss probability. There is no reason* for you to do this as town unless you aim to make Dark Horse look like Einstein in comparison to you.

*Hence you're either townie vig trying to read me, which would be pointless at this stage. Or you're scum.

Since I've heard you're not a total ******, and combined with my read on you - that makes you the scum assassin that just endgamed town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Zen, mafia Godfather, has been Daykilled!

Night 3 begins, send in night actions until Wednesday, March 9th!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Day 4 begins!

Cooldown: Tandora, 23 hours; Omni, 24 hours

 

[Omni]

Wait, what? Day 4 begins? No nightkills?... That means... we're no longer in danger so...

NO QUICKSHOOTING.

 

[Omni]

1.) Omni
2.) Swiss
3.) Macman
4.) Gordito
5.) Nicholas
6.) Nix
7.) Tandora

2 scum; 5 town. A quickshot from scum right now would only work
if he hit a bomb, however, there are no bombs left (BilboBaggins/Chuckie)
we're safe for toDay, I believe.

i think Cop should claim
pretty sure if we see a CC, I'll be able to decipher
which of the two are Zen's scummates
thoughts?

i have NO idea why scum didn't kill lastnight
my only guess is that they never submitted a night action

also, wanna see who u guys think Zen's partner is
and why
cuz i have a pretty good idea who they could be

 

[Nicholas1024]

No NK = me very happy.

As a side note, Omni needs an MVP. That's the first time scum has actually died in one of these BIM games.

Omni is clear, and I'll discard myself for the purposes of this analysis.

This leaves Gord, Swiss, Nix, Tand, and Macman.

Of those we have 2 scum, 2 townies, and a cop.

More to come later.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I really want Nich to shoot in any case. Would prefer Kuz shot and Mac would be good as well. I just think Tandora would just be a waste because I think she is town and I'd rather use shooting as a means to clear or out and I just don't think Tan is scum. She has been playing too out there like she usually does. After NBC I realize that's just simply how she plays. Like town reckless tell I suppose. Omni you say we are usually on the same wavelength, but I think I have more experience with Tan and the way she has been playing is town Tanny to me. Why I think Nich should be shooter is because he hasn't necessarilly been scummy in a sense (as he hasn't really done anything) so I don't feel confident as him being the a shot today. But his insistance of shooting is suspicious to me. Tandora did the same thing yesterday and people pretty much ignored her. And I think Scum Nich would feel confident enough to make the same proposal today thinking it would slide by. His reasoning that he knew people would think he was scummy seems odd to me. So yeah I think Nich should shoot. And Kuz or mac shot.

Also find it interesting that Ronike defended Omni against me and now Mac is defending me against Omni.

Chuckie is town. And Swiss can be town too I guess.

Posting these here for convenience.

 

[Tandora]

I don't feel bad about my shoot. I had given plenty of intent to shoot Kuz and I felt the votes showed it was a reasonable choice.

Omni definitely town. Scum had zero reason to quickshoot their own godfather at this point in the game.

Nich, from the quotes you posted from Zen, what did you defer from them?

Should we infer that scum couldn't NK w/o a GF? Scum didn't send in a night action? If so, why? Didn't want to give town more info or whoever was in charge of the NK was V/LA?

Swiss, are you town?

 

[Omni]

answer the question, Tan
who do you think Zen's partners are
and why

we shouldn't infer anything about the NK lastnight
because it's all speculation
and none of it will help us
decide who is scum toDay

fyi, u should feel bad
because u just did what Kevin did
without following procedure
of having a scummy player shoot
i dont like that you didnt learn from the first shot

 

[Nicholas1024]

Summarizing the above Zen quotes:

Wants me to shoot.

Wants kuz/mac shot.

Had Tand, chuckie, and swiss as town.

Now, we know chuckie and kuz are town, and that tand can shoot.

Tand shot kuz without asking for a claim. So, Tand-assasin seems possible, considering how Zen had Tand as town.

And obvious statements are how scum blend in by appearing helpful when they aren't.

you're misinterpreting. on purpose, Tandora?
i never said nor implied there is no information to be gleaned from
being back at square one is implying that with kevin's death
we're starting toDay exactly where we left off yesterDay

This whole paragraph is a contradiction. If you're back at square one, it means you have no information. Bolded for emphasis

except we get nothing based on rockin/biblo flipping
due to just being retardedly inactive and not making connections
and kevin dying removes the aspect of having a semi-cleared townie

More flip flopping.

second, where did i say cop got screwed with Kev dying?
what are you reading, tandora? please be clear and concise
because i can't tell if you're legitly misinterpreting
or purposely twisting to cast a shadow of a doubt
or just flat out skimming and not grasping the entire concept

Being a square one implies you think the cop got screwed by trying to investigate Kev. Especially since several of us were saying yesterday whoever shoots should be investigated.

Also, I love the irony of you telling me to be clear and concise when you're posting in a style that has been described as hard to read.

I want more posts from Swiss and Kuz!

Also, Chibo why are you replacing out? Details! You got IRL johns, you busy with other games, you think you're a bad player? More info please!

Tand did not like Omni. At all. And we know Omni is confirmed town by now.

i like Tan not shooting

Why?

Well if you feel I'm not doing much of a good job scum hunting, why don't you just...throw a bone at me or something. >>


Not once have I seen you prod me to scum hunt (infact, about the only person that did is Omni)

Ok, who would you shoot? Why?

Rockin questions Tan for not prodding him to scum hunt, so Tand prods him to scumhunt. Right...

Can't guarantee I won't accidentally shoot Tan instead of the 'lynch' target by the way. Is this an issue FF, or would I get my just desserts next game day?

That's fine with me, but how would you deal with the next shooter to shoot who he wants?

This strikes me as majorly off. Look, as town I am NEVER fine with myself dying unless it serves some major purpose. This does not strike me as townie mistakenly sacrificing themselves to server what they think is a better purpose, but a scum imitation.

I want to hear Tan respond to me instead of just the "where" or "when" that she spouts out delaying. Tan, go in depth about what you feel about Omni and FF this game.

Tan, do you think you are skimming?

I've never played with Omni before, so no preconceptions. I feel his playstyle is town because he's giving opinions about people and pursuing his own path rather than just follow or fold to what other people want.

FF on the other hand seems to be buddying you and his play style is cautious without being helpful. His reaction to people agreeing we needed to look into you felt like a scum move. If he's scum, then he knows whether you're town or not and thus not jumping on a wagon but throwing suspicion so early without a flip to derail the wagon with little more than his gut feeling just didn't sit right with me.

My last reread through was pretty thorough, but overall I have been skimming because I've been very busy with Valentines and a funeral.

So, Tand went Omni town (which she went back on later), but Frozen scum. Off of one post.

Think about it. If I shoot someone, it goes from a 3/13 chance of me being scum to 1/7 chance of me being scum. I should be the investigation target that night for my actions. More likely than not, the assassin is gonna want to hang back a bit from shooting to help get an alpha strike in as previously mentioned for a fast triple kill.

Throwing myself out and announcing I want to shoot causes problems for me if I cannot shoot. Shooting makes me more town if I shoot wisely.

Clearly you're not in my top three picks for shooting, because you weren't in my list. I already said my top choice was BB.

And you shooting me would be good because it would show I'm town and people can look at what I've said and either clear you or reveal assassin. It's win-win.

This is interesting, because it strikes me as a townie reason for wanting to shoot. However, considering Tand shot D2, that left us in D3 lylo, with a likely assassin. Even if the cop did investigate Tand, who's going to wait for the cop when the assassin is still out there? Nobody, that's who! Additionally, I think this is telling.

Why I think Nich should be shooter is because he hasn't necessarilly been scummy in a sense (as he hasn't really done anything) so I don't feel confident as him being the a shot today. But his insistance of shooting is suspicious to me. Tandora did the same thing yesterday and people pretty much ignored her. And I think Scum Nich would feel confident enough to make the same proposal today thinking it would slide by.

So, I'm scummy for doing the exact same thing Tand did... because tand did it first and I thought it would be safe. Does this strike anyone else as odd?


Anyway, NOBODY shoot before the cop gives his results.

@Tand
Don't shoot today under any circumstances. If you do, you will be dead tomorrow.

 

[Nicholas1024]

answer the question, Tan
who do you think Zen's partners are
and why

we shouldn't infer anything about the NK lastnight
because it's all speculation
and none of it will help us
decide who is scum toDay

fyi, u should feel bad
because u just did with Kevin did
without following procedure
of having a scummy player shoot
i dont like that you didnt learn from the first shot

There was no reason for scum to miss out on the NK last night and let us take our time toDay. I think scum just fell down on the job and missed the deadline.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@mod
Can any scum send in the kill, or is that a job belonging to one scum?

Also, if the latter, what would happen if said scum forgot and a different scum sent in the kill?

 

[Omni]

we need cop to claim within
the time limit that Tandora has
before she can shoot again

 

[Nix2100]

Swiss is clean, Mac is scum ^_^

Chibo looked at KevinM but that didn't much good since he died =(

Will I live past this day? Who knows! But I caught scum @_@ so I feel satisfied

 

[Omni]

no one shoot Mac
Nix, who do you think is Mac's partner
any CC's?
speak up now and fast

 

[Nix2100]

Not sure who the partner is, I need to go look at mentos/Gordito cause i almost forgot they were even playing -_-

 

[Omni]

lovely
am i the only one who
read the thread over again
after Zen flipped mafia?

anyway, nix, ur analysis
the sooner the better

 

[Nix2100]

Omni, I don't want anyone shot without some VERY good justification behind it. I don't think inactivity (unless it's plainly avoiding a case or something like that) is good enough.

@Chuckie
I'm not really sure yet. If I had to shoot right now, I'd probably pull an Omni and take out an inactive.

Contradiction much?

Anyway, I want to point out that one more misshot like that and we've lost. (8 people left, add in the assassin shot, that's all folks.) I'm willing to be the shooter today, as I recognize that I am genuinely scummy (inactivity has been a scumtell for me, and my reasons are basically RL excuses, so...). My best reason why is game mechanics. If I'm assassin, it's an extra lynch basically (plus the could cop investigate me if necessary.) If I'm town, of course it's the right choice.

Anyway, the remaining bomb should claim now. It's no big deal if the assassin shoots it, as there's an even number of players left, and we could really use the clear.

Another contradiction? You say one more misshot like that and its game over....but you want the bomb to claim where the assassin can shoot and end up taking out 2 townies, throw in a mafia NK and that WOULD be game over >_>

Though honestly, if it wasn't for my guilty on macman i would think Nich/Tan was scum buddies =S

Personally, i think Macman is the goon, would explain his inactivity a little bit as a goon is sort of boring >_> ...watch me be wrong and macman shows up out of no where and quick shoots me -_-

 

[Omni]

so are you saying that u think Nich is the scum buddy
ur not being very clear
and those posts are from YEARS ago
why are u only focusing on nich

 

[Nix2100]

I have a headache =P so its coming slowly, i had something on Tandora too but i ended up losing my train of thought....think it had something to do with Zen saying tandora shooting would be a waste but tandora ended up shooting anyway, that and both Zen and tan wanted kuz dead...pretty sure there was more then that there -_-

Im not really accusing anyone of being a scum buddy yet...i quite literally feel split between nich and tandora, would be so much easier to just shoot mac and end this day so i can do another investigation but *shrug* not up to me =P

 

[Nicholas1024]

Contradiction much?

Nope, Chuckie was asking who I'd shoot if I had to do so right at that point in time. It's not a move I'd actually make, I was merely stating that I didn't have any good scum reads, so I'd likely go after an inactive.

Another contradiction? You say one more misshot like that and its game over....but you want the bomb to claim where the assassin can shoot and end up taking out 2 townies, throw in a mafia NK and that WOULD be game over >_>

Nope. We had 10 people then (IIRC). That means we lose 4 townies, it's endgame. A bomb shot makes us lose 2 townies, plus the NK. That would put us at 7 people, still not endgame.7 people vs 8 people = No real difference. So yeah, I was perfectly fine with the bomb claiming at that point.

Though honestly, if it wasn't for my guilty on macman i would think Nich/Tan was scum buddies =S

Given how I'm going after Tan now? And that I've volunteered to shoot? And that Tand has already shot?

Personally, i think Macman is the goon, would explain his inactivity a little bit as a goon is sort of boring >_> ...watch me be wrong and macman shows up out of no where and quick shoots me -_-

Macman as the goon would be my opinion too, but only because Tand has already shot.

 

[Nicholas1024]

no one shoot Mac
Nix, who do you think is Mac's partner
any CC's?
speak up now and fast

^^This. If Nix is scum fakeclaiming, we don't want to do his work for him.

 

[Nix2100]

-_- this is why i shouldnt attempt to build cases, i fail at it epicly. I'll try again when this headache isn't killing me.

Who's left to CC me, Gordito, mac and swiss?

Only person i see CCing me is mac, would be amused to see how that worked out >_>

Personally...i would prefer not dying >_> so you know if macman got shot i'd much appreciate it....just saying.

 

[Omni]

building cases off of non-flipped scum
is the hardest part, Nix
all you have to do is go back and read
and see what kind of connections Zen made
and establish if there is a true disconnection

btw, just post "no CC" if ur not cop
so we're not just waiting on nothing

we actually need to do this ASAP
because if Tan is maf assassin which is possible
we cannot let her establish her cooldown period
or the game over as soon as she can shoot again

 

[Nix2100]

that might be part of the problem as i was just mostly looking at Nichs and Tans posts and not macmans or Zens -_-

anyway, question! Can the assassin night kill as well? or are they limited to day kills only? or is that something that varies on the mod? >_>