for Falcon vs Link, just change it to a+, most people say its + or ++ anyway.
otherwise, next matchup?
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attempt at matchup thread
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otherwise, next matchup?
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Fine.
I guess Link vs Falcon being + for Falcon is ok. Just one + though. Falcon doesn't really shut down Link's game as much as Fox. Not even close
I guess Link vs Falcon being + for Falcon is ok. Just one + though. Falcon doesn't really shut down Link's game as much as Fox. Not even close
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I completely disagree. All Link has to do is butt poke Falcon a lot with his sword to keep him in the air. After a large amount of butt pokes you can smack them off for an easy edgeguard. Only in certain super low percentage situations where you have to tech chase Link. Also, no stage in 64 is completely level ground. There is always a platform or the pit for easy combos as well
I also don't believe that Superboomfan has faced great links either. He is like the only good 64 player in Canada, nobody else in Canada is close to him in assassination
Fox on the other hand can just completely shut down Link like no other with abuse of lasers, faster aerials, jab, etc but Falcon doesn't really have these versatile tools.
It's a matchup where mistakes on either side usually results in disaster unless the other person sucks
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
all falcon has to do is uair, I find that a lot easier than butt poking(lol). Fox definitely has the advantage over link, but I find falcon has an easy time setting up and comboing link in general while fox just owns him link lol. I find you're underestimating falcon in this matchup by a long shot, I may be underestimating link in your standards but setting up for link is so hard compared to falcon.
This is one of link's worst matchups, I don't see how you're saying link is even or close to even in this matchup. You're overrating link imo.
I do enjoy your long posts for matchups, good job.
This is one of link's worst matchups, I don't see how you're saying link is even or close to even in this matchup. You're overrating link imo.
I do enjoy your long posts for matchups, good job.
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yeah i definitely do have some link bias
u win for now : /
u win for now : /
CbGreiga
Smash Apprentice
Fox v. Ness is looking pretty even but it all depends on the format. If it's an aerial game then it's in Fox's favor. If it stays on the ground, it tips to Ness.
Fox vs Ness = Fox wins.
Ness gets owned by laser spam plus has a worse recovery
You can do the down+B but its a slow move and Fox can hit you when doing it
Superstar
Smash Champion
+ isn't really close to even, = is. There is no equal matchup really, so it can be used for slight advantage.
+/++ it is then. Personally though, it's just +. You do have it right though, Falcon sets up easier [I know which kind of easier you mean, there's a bad kind and a good kind for these things XD], both combos and edgeguards. Link's combos and edgeguard ***** Falcon and the same back, but Falcon is more capable of setting them up. So for Link, it's mostly a spacing match.
I love the long posts too even when debating me. When you get beat, it's good to be beat by someone who knows what they're doing, and explains it well at the same time.
Can't wait till we get to Mario v Link, I have a problem approaching Mario safely when he camps to the right of the green tower. I was losing at first, made a huge catchup, was winning by 2 stocks, and both were blown off due to my options being limited. >_> Personally, I think that's an even worse matchup for Link, but we'd need to get there first.
Fox beats Ness. Ness has a better chance versus Falcon than Fox.
But we're not there yet.
+/++ it is then. Personally though, it's just +. You do have it right though, Falcon sets up easier [I know which kind of easier you mean, there's a bad kind and a good kind for these things XD], both combos and edgeguards. Link's combos and edgeguard ***** Falcon and the same back, but Falcon is more capable of setting them up. So for Link, it's mostly a spacing match.
I love the long posts too even when debating me. When you get beat, it's good to be beat by someone who knows what they're doing, and explains it well at the same time.
Can't wait till we get to Mario v Link, I have a problem approaching Mario safely when he camps to the right of the green tower. I was losing at first, made a huge catchup, was winning by 2 stocks, and both were blown off due to my options being limited. >_> Personally, I think that's an even worse matchup for Link, but we'd need to get there first.
Fox beats Ness. Ness has a better chance versus Falcon than Fox.
But we're not there yet.
Winston
Smash Master
so do you just come in here, not read the title, original post, or any of the recent posts, then talk about whatever you want?
yeahhh guy
ANYWAY
Falcon vs Link: +
Falcon vs Jiggs: =
Falcon vs Kirby: -
NEXT UP
Falcon vs Luigi
Falcon vs Mario
Falcon vs Ness
This one's pretty easy, Falcon + vs all of them.
I'll type out my reasoning if anyone cares to hear it
also we're 25% done with the whole thing at this point =)
Superstar
Smash Champion
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Falcon vs Mario is = or advantage Mario, but now we can actually discuss the matchup.
First of, Fireballs aren't too valid a reason. Even with smart use, Falcon can cancel them out and go less out of his way doing it than many other characters. It does affect him, but Mario leaves himself vulnerable by throwing a fireball. They still help Mario, but don't @#$% Falcon over. Just a minor advantage Mario has on-stage, but a major one when it comes to recovering.
Both Mario and Falcon tear the other part. Mario can't combo Falcon as well as Falcon could combo himself, but again, same goes for Falcon comboing Mario [as in, can't combo Mario as brutal as he could some other chars]. He actually can combo Mario, to try to prevent that point coming across. Falcon can start a combo with usmash, grab, pretty much any classical way, and get the set of uairs->upB, but he can't uair as long as he can some other characters. On the flipside, like smoke says, one drill->uair and Falcon's dead. Sadly, you can DI behind the drill even with average DI at least some of the time, but Mario is capable of turning around and grabbing Falcon if Falcon DIs behind the drill [which leads to the next section].
Off stage, Mario wins in all respects. Mario makes it back easier [the likelyhood definition, not skill one XD] to the stage than Falcon, and once Falcon is off he's dead [a good Mario should ALWAYS edgeguard Falcon except in a select few circumstances]. Falcon can edgeguard Mario, but it's not guaranteed due mostly to it's incredible distance, UpB's priority [which clashes with dair, unfavorably for Mario] and fireballs [fireballs count when Mario is recovering, cancelling them out helps Mario make it back]. Setting up though, Falcon has his uairs->UpB combo, and Mario is stuck relying on grabs and fairs/bairs, and the only way he can really get grabs is by comboing into them [with drills, for example, but that helps set up for an off the top kill]. A failed dair->uair can help Mario edgeguard though, and Dsmash after a dair/fair is also viable.
On Dreamland, it's = to advantage Mario [methinks advantage Mario]. Mario combo ***** Falcon on that course, finishing up uairs with a usmash through the platforms, and fireballs become harder to dodge [I think...I notice Link's bair cancels fireballs better on DL but I dunno Falcon]. On Hyrule...I think it's = to advantage Falcon. Mario can't take advantage on his off the stage trump card as well on Hyrule, and his combos are weaker there [except for the **** tent].
I have to do homework, I'll type out Falcon vs Ness later. That one is = to + for Falcon, but I personally feel it's =.
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Falcon vs Mario is = or advantage Mario, but now we can actually discuss the matchup.
First of, Fireballs aren't too valid a reason. Even with smart use, Falcon can cancel them out and go less out of his way doing it than many other characters. It does affect him, but Mario leaves himself vulnerable by throwing a fireball. They still help Mario, but don't @#$% Falcon over. Just a minor advantage Mario has on-stage, but a major one when it comes to recovering.
Both Mario and Falcon tear the other part. Mario can't combo Falcon as well as Falcon could combo himself, but again, same goes for Falcon comboing Mario [as in, can't combo Mario as brutal as he could some other chars]. He actually can combo Mario, to try to prevent that point coming across. Falcon can start a combo with usmash, grab, pretty much any classical way, and get the set of uairs->upB, but he can't uair as long as he can some other characters. On the flipside, like smoke says, one drill->uair and Falcon's dead. Sadly, you can DI behind the drill even with average DI at least some of the time, but Mario is capable of turning around and grabbing Falcon if Falcon DIs behind the drill [which leads to the next section].
Off stage, Mario wins in all respects. Mario makes it back easier [the likelyhood definition, not skill one XD] to the stage than Falcon, and once Falcon is off he's dead [a good Mario should ALWAYS edgeguard Falcon except in a select few circumstances]. Falcon can edgeguard Mario, but it's not guaranteed due mostly to it's incredible distance, UpB's priority [which clashes with dair, unfavorably for Mario] and fireballs [fireballs count when Mario is recovering, cancelling them out helps Mario make it back]. Setting up though, Falcon has his uairs->UpB combo, and Mario is stuck relying on grabs and fairs/bairs, and the only way he can really get grabs is by comboing into them [with drills, for example, but that helps set up for an off the top kill]. A failed dair->uair can help Mario edgeguard though, and Dsmash after a dair/fair is also viable.
On Dreamland, it's = to advantage Mario [methinks advantage Mario]. Mario combo ***** Falcon on that course, finishing up uairs with a usmash through the platforms, and fireballs become harder to dodge [I think...I notice Link's bair cancels fireballs better on DL but I dunno Falcon]. On Hyrule...I think it's = to advantage Falcon. Mario can't take advantage on his off the stage trump card as well on Hyrule, and his combos are weaker there [except for the **** tent].
I have to do homework, I'll type out Falcon vs Ness later. That one is = to + for Falcon, but I personally feel it's =.
Falcon vs Luigi: Falcon has problem comboing luigi with Up air due to his floatiness. F-air works well for falcon but Luigi has a way better recovery. Back air helps vs Luigi also. Luigi doesn't have the priority or the speed to keep up with Falcon. Probably Equal or maybe better for Falcon. I haven't played enough matches vs Luigi's however.
Falcon vs Mario
Falcon vs Ness: Falcon has enough range to overpower ness and this is one of the few matchups (probably only one) where Falcon has a better recovery. Falcon can gimp much easier. also, spacing helps way too much vs DJC. Falcon's Pivot F-Smash works way to well vs. Ness. Also, on Dreamland, its even easier for falcon to gimp ness. I forgot to mention something: Back air combos work very well on Ness. Ness has DJC's but he doesn't have the range.
Problems: Up tilt combos falcon incredibly well. Up tilt and DJC up air combos work very well and using Ness's down air as a tech chaser works well also.
+ for Falcon just because I see falcon's range as too much of a problem.
Falcon vs Mario
Completely agree, + for Mario. Its my least favorite matchup for Falcon next to facing Fox.
Falcon vs Ness: Falcon has enough range to overpower ness and this is one of the few matchups (probably only one) where Falcon has a better recovery. Falcon can gimp much easier. also, spacing helps way too much vs DJC. Falcon's Pivot F-Smash works way to well vs. Ness. Also, on Dreamland, its even easier for falcon to gimp ness. I forgot to mention something: Back air combos work very well on Ness. Ness has DJC's but he doesn't have the range.
Problems: Up tilt combos falcon incredibly well. Up tilt and DJC up air combos work very well and using Ness's down air as a tech chaser works well also.
+ for Falcon just because I see falcon's range as too much of a problem.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Saying I agree is the best way to go.
I hate mario and samus anyways though so they might be bias too -.-
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Superstar
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Smoke has convinced me. I know nothing about Luigi vs Falcon anyways, and he makes perfect sense. + or ++, ++ probably.
About the recovery Koro, I disagree. Falcon has a better recovery, but they edgeguard the other equally well. Falcon will make it back a little more often, since Ness' second jump is too floaty for recovery, but in most cases, either off the edge, they die. Ness has dair, bair, or the standard edgehog. Falcon's options are the same, cept with a bair better suited to edgeguarding [albeit Ness' still work]. Ness' throws are harder to get off than Falcon, but help much more for edgeguarding at higher percents. At lower percents, Falcon can start a combo with his fthrow, which does good damage and sets up an edgeguarding. A campy Ness will get the throws off easier though
Both combo the other equally well [with maybe some difference, but close and brutal enough], and both of them can set edgeguards with their combos [UpB for Falcon, Ness has bair, best Ness's have fair chains].
Falcon can't force an approach, so Ness isn't forced to approach [of course]. Which conveniences Ness because he has a good defense [utilt, uair, dair, bair]. I will agree though, range is a bit of a problem, fair FFFFFFFFFFF. But, if I recall, Ness's uair > Falcon's dair, Ness' dair >? Falcon's usmash, Ness' utilt >? Falcon's dair. I need to test out move priority there.
Personally it's even to some advantage Falcon. Falcon has the advantage, however, I think it's slight.
About the recovery Koro, I disagree. Falcon has a better recovery, but they edgeguard the other equally well. Falcon will make it back a little more often, since Ness' second jump is too floaty for recovery, but in most cases, either off the edge, they die. Ness has dair, bair, or the standard edgehog. Falcon's options are the same, cept with a bair better suited to edgeguarding [albeit Ness' still work]. Ness' throws are harder to get off than Falcon, but help much more for edgeguarding at higher percents. At lower percents, Falcon can start a combo with his fthrow, which does good damage and sets up an edgeguarding. A campy Ness will get the throws off easier though
Both combo the other equally well [with maybe some difference, but close and brutal enough], and both of them can set edgeguards with their combos [UpB for Falcon, Ness has bair, best Ness's have fair chains].
Falcon can't force an approach, so Ness isn't forced to approach [of course]. Which conveniences Ness because he has a good defense [utilt, uair, dair, bair]. I will agree though, range is a bit of a problem, fair FFFFFFFFFFF. But, if I recall, Ness's uair > Falcon's dair, Ness' dair >? Falcon's usmash, Ness' utilt >? Falcon's dair. I need to test out move priority there.
Personally it's even to some advantage Falcon. Falcon has the advantage, however, I think it's slight.
Surri-Sama
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Falcon vs Ness is even imho
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Ness can sweetspot the ledge with down-b during Ness's 2nd jump. Perfect down-b sweetspot's can't get touched by anything if the opponent's move isn't disjointed. Of course if Ness can't touch the edge with 2nd jump he is 85% of the time going to get ***** after he does up-b. An interesting part of Ness's up-b is if you are higher than the stage and up-b onto the stage, there's no landing lag but Falcon, unless he is very far away for some reason will smack Ness away before Ness can recover.
Also, I'd say Ness's coming back to the edge is safer than Falcon's because of Falcon players get too greedy and predictable and try to smack Ness even further, Falcon's can eat an up-air if Ness is low or a down-air if Ness is high. Ness's up-air and up-tilt have massive priority over any of Falcon's moves (i'm not sure about up-smash but its rare to see them hit each other at the same time). Almost all of Ness's moves outprioritize Falcon. Falcon's priority is merely medium at best except for his up-smash.
Their recoveries are about as equally good (or bad)
The game for Falcon if he plays an offensive game is to bait Ness into using a slightly laggy move and whiffing before going in for the up-smash, grab, etc. There are plenty of silly Ness players who automatically do up-tilt if you simply double jump fastfall NEXT to them, leaving them open. Better Nesses though have an actual brain and may double-jump up-air, leaving them less open or other smart stuff.
Ness can also play offensively somewhat by moving forward and double-jump up-airs and stuff. He also has the backwards double-jump speed-up aerial attack to catch people by surprise or to trick Falcons into thinking he's going to do this move and have them whiff or something.
This matchup is very close. Falcon has speed and better maneuverability while Ness has moves with higher priority.
about 50~50
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
You said it.
Stage is huge here though
On dreamland Falcon pwns
On Hyrule Ness has a slight advantage
i didn't know enough about the Luigi-Falcon matchup so thanks for telling me
anyone here want to test up tilt thing with me
anyone here want to test up tilt thing with me
Wenbobular
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I still like Falcon vs characters with slow running speed and unrigged hitboxes (I don't see too many things Mario can abuse, unlike Falcon's stupid Bair / Uair having infinite range all the time).
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Mario's constant shorthop down air to up air defeats Falcon in much of his approaches. Forward Air, Down-air gets sucked into Mario's vaccum, Very hard for Falcon to run in and up-smash or grab.
Mario's uptilt, at medium percents, also hit Falcon in the balls and make him further combo bait, beating out or at least tieing with almost any of Falcon's aerials.
If Falcon gets caught shielding in down-air , up-air by Mario, his shield will either break or he will get shield stabbed and comboed crazily.
It's a very versatile way to combat Falcon, if Falcon tries to do his higher priority moves, Mario can move away while doing down-air --> up-air.
Mario also has a great gimp game on Falcon and as previously mentioned, very easy combos to death.
It's a close matchup
so you say 60-40 or higher, is it a + matchup for mario or =?
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mario doesnt own falcon as much as kirby or pika
55-45 or even
I'm not very sure
55-45 or even
I'm not very sure
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Agreed, Mario hurts Falcon, but High Tier chars **** him on dah gimps
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Oh god, Falcon is easily a counter to ness. I've never had a problem with falcon vs ness, the edgeguarding is too easy. Id say 60-40 falcon vs ness
Superstar
Smash Champion
Edgeguarding is too easy for Ness too. :D
Once Falcon is off the edge, Falcon is dead. Same goes for Ness.
When it comes to edgeguarding, they are neutral. Falcon needs to wait for PKT2 to finish and punish, Ness dair spikes him during UpB.
Neither should ever make it back to the stage, ever.
Mostly, I agree with smoke:
Once Falcon is off the edge, Falcon is dead. Same goes for Ness.
When it comes to edgeguarding, they are neutral. Falcon needs to wait for PKT2 to finish and punish, Ness dair spikes him during UpB.
Neither should ever make it back to the stage, ever.
Mostly, I agree with smoke:
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Stop making me explain my opinions with logic, and well thought out ideas. Falcon is a man, Ness is a little child.
Superstar
Smash Champion
Hmm, you cant beat that logic and a wildly slashing MMZ image. I have been beaten. Falcon vs Ness is +++.
ExCeL 52
Smash Lord
60-40 Mario vs Captain falcon Matchup.. Mario's favor.
Chibi-Chan
Smash Journeyman
Didnt the Mario vs Falcon discussion start back in ike.. Page 2 or something? Back there it was Agreed Mario had small advantage over the Captain... Maybe not 60-40 but overall when you round it up.. Yeah, definite + for Mario... Its been waaay overdiscussed with similar results, so just leave it at that alright nya?
Uhh Ness v Falcon... I guess it kinda meets Captain Falcons eternal issue... He Gimps everything and gets gimped by everything... That point is starting to become Moot or something if it applies to everything... So better to focus on actual combat in the mddle of the stage... Mew~
Falcon has the advantage as far as attacking, but Ness seems to be able to shut off many of his approaches and move rather easily if he does some good camping, however, if he makes a Mistake Falcon will get the immediate advantage here by landing something like Bair, in other words... Ness player kinda has the most pressure on the match, since he has to watch out more and try to predict Falcon, kinda trying to limit his approach... but then he can get predictable... And Falcon can do a feint by jumping in for some kind of approach and trick Ness into doing an Utilt or Uair, in which case Falcon can counter if he saw it coming... By doing a FF or whatever...
Ness on the offense is a little bit more limited and Falcon probably has an easier time handling that... Which would usually be double jumped aerials and stuff... In the End, it kinda comes down to who's the better player, having better prediction, mindgames, spacing and having variety... But I think Falcon has a pretty small advantage there as he plays a bit more straightfoward and is less prone to mistakes...
Maybe 55-45... So thats a = anyways nya
Dont think I really aported anthing new... THis has been discussed plenty
Uhh Ness v Falcon... I guess it kinda meets Captain Falcons eternal issue... He Gimps everything and gets gimped by everything... That point is starting to become Moot or something if it applies to everything... So better to focus on actual combat in the mddle of the stage... Mew~
Falcon has the advantage as far as attacking, but Ness seems to be able to shut off many of his approaches and move rather easily if he does some good camping, however, if he makes a Mistake Falcon will get the immediate advantage here by landing something like Bair, in other words... Ness player kinda has the most pressure on the match, since he has to watch out more and try to predict Falcon, kinda trying to limit his approach... but then he can get predictable... And Falcon can do a feint by jumping in for some kind of approach and trick Ness into doing an Utilt or Uair, in which case Falcon can counter if he saw it coming... By doing a FF or whatever...
Ness on the offense is a little bit more limited and Falcon probably has an easier time handling that... Which would usually be double jumped aerials and stuff... In the End, it kinda comes down to who's the better player, having better prediction, mindgames, spacing and having variety... But I think Falcon has a pretty small advantage there as he plays a bit more straightfoward and is less prone to mistakes...
Maybe 55-45... So thats a = anyways nya
Dont think I really aported anthing new... THis has been discussed plenty
Surri-Sama
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Chibi Chan....i have heard that name before....GW!
Superstar
Smash Champion
I was guessing for a new user, he seemed smarter than most. Dunno who GW is, one of the oldies.
About Mario vs Falcon, in the beginning it was just random matchups. We need to go in order, but there's little to no agreement. So far, it seems to be
Falcon vs Mario: =?
Falcon vs Ness: =?
Falcon vs Luigi: ++
Dunno who GW is, one of the oldies.About Mario vs Falcon, in the beginning it was just random matchups. We need to go in order, but there's little to no agreement. So far, it seems to be
Falcon vs Mario: =?
Falcon vs Ness: =?
Falcon vs Luigi: ++
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Actually Chibi Chan is a Super Admin from God Weapon (GW)I was guessing for a new user, he seemed smarter than most.
About Mario vs Falcon, in the beginning it was just random matchups. We need to go in order, but there's little to no agreement. So far, it seems to be
Falcon vs Mario: =?
Falcon vs Ness: =?
Falcon vs Luigi: ++
i dont think this is the same person though
Chibi-Chan
Smash Journeyman
My uhh..
y Reputa-- Erm.. Name Preceeds me hah!!
Actually o.o nu, Im not the guy from GW, But I bet I'm cuter and stuff~
o.o Just a new memeber... Been in smashboards forever, but only readng I guess o.o;;
>.> So he stole my name huh? Well, he shall die!
Either way star, I think those current scores (or whatever o.o) for matchup are alright, Unless somebody has an objection >> <<
Who would ne bext anyways..? Nya?
y Reputa-- Erm.. Name Preceeds me hah!!
Actually o.o nu, Im not the guy from GW, But I bet I'm cuter and stuff~
o.o Just a new memeber... Been in smashboards forever, but only readng I guess o.o;;
>.> So he stole my name huh? Well, he shall die!
Either way star, I think those current scores (or whatever o.o) for matchup are alright, Unless somebody has an objection >> <<
Who would ne bext anyways..? Nya?
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how do i block people so I don't get to see what they type?
Chibi-Chan
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Uhh.. Go to your Profile... Under Settings and options, there should be's... Edit Ignore List nya~
Then you click there >> type a name, Kill!!!!
Uhh... Why do you wanna know that and more importantly... Why do chuu ask that here? O-o;;
Then you click there >> type a name, Kill!!!!
Uhh... Why do you wanna know that and more importantly... Why do chuu ask that here? O-o;;
1: user CP (control panel)
2. edit ignore list
3. add name
4. Click Okay
5. ?????????
6. Profit/Blocked
Winston
Smash Master
Hey you know what I was thinking it'd be a real shame if we let this thread die after finishing 1/4th of a reasonably well thought out chart
It's true that I'm not nearly as active in this forum as I was before school started, but I'll still try and drop by regularly to keep things going. Originally it stalled out on falcon vs mario/ness because I truly believe that falcon has the advantage in both, but nobody else does, so I will defer. I'm entering:
Falcon vs Luigi: +
Falcon vs Mario: =
Falcon vs Ness: =
So you know the drill. 3 up:
Falcon vs Pikachu
Falcon vs Samus
Falcon vs Yoshi
My thoughts:
Falcon vs Pikachu: -
yes, I admit Falcon has the bad matchup here. The only one I'd easily concede (the other one being possibly kirby). Falcon can definitely give Pikachu a run for his money on the small stages, but it's pretty tough on Hyrule. The margin of error factor is in Pikachu's favor here too.
Falcon vs Samus: +
I dunno, seems like an easy plus to me. Falcon's combos do end a little early on samus, but he really has all the edges here.
Falcon vs Yoshi: small + to =
As Falcon-biased as I usually am, I can't see this being too far from even. Obviously falcon combos on yoshi are EZ, but a good yoshi will return the favor if he hits you or your shield. So the combo game is pretty much equal. Yoshi has a slight edge in recovery/edgeguarding.
As far as approaches go, Yoshi can space with delayed djc aerials among other things. For Falcon, I feel like the usual mix of dashdance camping for grabs/upsmash and bairs is quite effective on the ground-based yoshi, but I haven't played this matchup in forever and so I'll go with the conservative = for now.
Plus, long ago when we talked about it, SheerMadness was adamant that this was an even matchup. so *shrug*
It's true that I'm not nearly as active in this forum as I was before school started, but I'll still try and drop by regularly to keep things going. Originally it stalled out on falcon vs mario/ness because I truly believe that falcon has the advantage in both, but nobody else does, so I will defer. I'm entering:
Falcon vs Luigi: +
Falcon vs Mario: =
Falcon vs Ness: =
So you know the drill. 3 up:
Falcon vs Pikachu
Falcon vs Samus
Falcon vs Yoshi
My thoughts:
Falcon vs Pikachu: -
yes, I admit Falcon has the bad matchup here. The only one I'd easily concede (the other one being possibly kirby). Falcon can definitely give Pikachu a run for his money on the small stages, but it's pretty tough on Hyrule. The margin of error factor is in Pikachu's favor here too.
Falcon vs Samus: +
I dunno, seems like an easy plus to me. Falcon's combos do end a little early on samus, but he really has all the edges here.
Falcon vs Yoshi: small + to =
As Falcon-biased as I usually am, I can't see this being too far from even. Obviously falcon combos on yoshi are EZ, but a good yoshi will return the favor if he hits you or your shield. So the combo game is pretty much equal. Yoshi has a slight edge in recovery/edgeguarding.
As far as approaches go, Yoshi can space with delayed djc aerials among other things. For Falcon, I feel like the usual mix of dashdance camping for grabs/upsmash and bairs is quite effective on the ground-based yoshi, but I haven't played this matchup in forever and so I'll go with the conservative = for now.
Plus, long ago when we talked about it, SheerMadness was adamant that this was an even matchup. so *shrug*
Superstar
Smash Champion
Personally, Falcon vs Luigi is ++, at least from Smoke's description and that people seemed to agree with it. But +/++ seems fine.
I know nothing about those matchups. I don't play them, just picked up Falcon. I'd rather not theorysmash.
I know nothing about those matchups. I don't play them, just picked up Falcon. I'd rather not theorysmash.