Attacking with the Grab button

[MysticKenji]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTkrq00HV-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7l5bWVZeT4

For some reason, pressing the grab button while crouching will cause you do to a d-tilt, instead of a grab.

And then after that d-tilt, you can use the grab button for jabs and utilts and usmashes, as well as the regular shields/grabs (couldn't get ftilts to work).

If you have IASA frames on your dtilt, like Marth and ROB, then you can't do anything after the dtilt except grab/shield with *grab button* until those frames end. (As far as I can tell)

 

[wasabicheese]

cool. if mastered, this could lead to easy d-tilt->jab combos.

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

You can also use Z for aerials, and since your finger is right there, land into a grab. If you are playing as or against a character that can generate items, you can learn tricks with the items such as dropping (as opposed to throwing downwards) by using Z to drop, the cstick to smash throw, and A to regular throw. This is all pretty common knowledge, but is very useful.

 

[KoalaBear]

isnt this commmon knowledge?

 

[DanGR]

i didn't know this, but-but why??

 

[Pure-???]

isnt this commmon knowledge?

no. I mean, not many people would actually think to try.

 

[Adapt]

if you input a grab too soon after a jab you get the second hit of the jab combo
I'm pretty sure it is because the grab button just simulated pressing shield+A (like the C-stick simulates smash-direction + A)

 

[MysticKenji]

isnt this commmon knowledge?

*shrugs*
I think most people would just assume "grab button = grabs" and leave it at that.

 

[Zankoku]

You can also use Z for aerials, and since your finger is right there, land into a grab. If you are playing as or against a character that can generate items, you can learn tricks with the items such as dropping (as opposed to throwing downwards) by using Z to drop, the cstick to smash throw, and A to regular throw. This is all pretty common knowledge, but is very useful.

Actually, Z does an air-dodge in Brawl if you aren't using a tether-grab character. Which kind of sucks for the people who liked using Z for aerials in Melee.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

It's interesting.

 

[popsofctown]

Unless this can improve someone's game, shouldn't this go in the general forum? And i don't see how it can. But i could be wrong, is there a use for this?

 

[Noodlehead]

cool. i didnt know this

 

[Jimtopia]

I never noticed that before. I'll have to give that a go.

 

[PKJesse]

I've never touched the Z-button before.

But I'll try it, it seems useful.

Especially for characters with strong d-tilts.

 

[I.iZ.nO.1]

I would think this would be common knowledge. If you think about it, how do you grab without the z-button? You shield and attack, thus the z button is ultimatley a combination of the two. Thus if you are holding down it will register as you pressing attack, thus a d-tilt attack. And in the air when you press it and it registers as an airdodge that is because it is register the shield part of the "Z combination"

 

[xXZeroXx]

I thought it was common knowledge (it was in Melee too).

 

[BLUE FALCON5]

cool im gonna try this sounds usefull

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

*Already known*

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181225

 

[Crow!]

Check the chart in my sig - it's there.

Frankly, knowing what all the grab button can do is useful mainly so you can AVOID inputting those actions when what you really want to do is grab. You want to avoid pressing the grab button while crouching or standing up, and you should know how it interacts with dashing, air dodges, and buffering (let go of grab before you regain control of your character to buffer the grab).


Grab can do lots of things. Let's go ahead an list them. Here are the boring ones:
Grab
Running Grab
Pivot Grab
Mash opponent's face while grabbing
Shield (often annoyingly happens when trying to buffer a grab)
Throw Item (any direction, in midair can drop)
Air Dodge or Zair
Get up from ground/ledge attack
Snap to ledge from tether
Backward Roll if double reverse input while pivoting
Other dodges (if you count tapping a direction while shielding by holding grab)
Tech

And the more intersting things:
Jab (if already started doing jab combo)
Up Smash ("Boost Smash" or DAC)
Down Tilt
Down Smash (if input while standing up from a crouch)
Jab again (if standing up from a crouch)
Up Smash again (if input while standing up from a crouch or while jumping)
Cancel middle of Air dodge and do a Zair
Cancel start of air dodge and throw item or do a Zair
Glide attack (MK, Pit, Charizard)


So what's NOT on this list? I count only these:
Motion (jump, crouch, walk, run)
Forward Tilt
Forward Smash
Up Tilt
B-Attacks
Non-attack options from the ledge or ground
Start/Cancel Gliding


Pretty much all other actions can, at one point or another, be done with the Grab button.

 

[Poltergust]

Uh... you guys DO know that this topic started, oh, in the June of last year? >___>;

 

[Kamikaze*]

Lol, owned by terms of use.

 

[MysticKenji]

So what's NOT on this list? I count only these:
Forward Tilt
Up Tilt

These can be done too but it's about 10000x easier to do the with the A button

why was this bumped? -___-