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Atlantic North Brawl vs Melee Debate

JFox

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This has become necessary. Way too many posts in the most RANDOM threads are popping up debating Brawl's competitive potential, and comparing it to melee.

The purpose of this thread is simply to keep those posts all in one thread, in order to keep them from distracting the topic in threads where they don't belong.

If mods feel the need to close this thread, please keep in mind that you will just be creating more work for yourselves. The debate just won't end. Keeping people from talking about it seems impossible, so you might as well have it all in one thread.

So here ya go guys, have a ball...
 

pockyD

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you realize this won't actually work

someone will say something innocent in a random thread, and the natural response will NOT be to point them to this thread, wait for them to duplicate their post, then give your response

and if people want to discuss brawl vs melee, the general brawl discussion forum has like 40 threads dedicated to it
 

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Melee is more deep. The 2nd best person in the world (M2K, only next to bombsoldier) has a gap between him and the third best person in the world but yet in Brawl, he can lose to a person like Basicp*nis,Bum, DiemBrandumb, Ninja ***** and children, what does that tell you? M2k never ever had a problem tenderizing his meat but now it is like he is doing it with sandpaper. I heard he was suppose to be a robot but now he is not even a cryborg or artificial intelligence, just a random man with a knife(the knife makes him still hard to fight) but he bleeds and can be beaten.

Why do people like Brawl? They do because they have a chance to win, Scar may have killed Mufasa in Melee but in Brawl, as Scar is approaching the cliff, he might randomly trip and lose the match. Other possibilities is that, Mufasa is very floaty now so he can get back on the ledge and Scar has no way to edge guard. It is garbage, this game should be burried with the ET games in the desert. Brawl is a good party game though, good for parties and is good for parties but is mostly better for parties.
 

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I clicked it and your thread said closed. Futher proof, that you have not evolved, from a single celled idiot.


As for as, mighty joe young, you got fooled by an april fool's, fool, congrats, now you are the fool. The person that thought april fools smashboards would be funny is even less intelligent, than a brainless sex organ.
 

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I clicked it and your thread said closed. Futher proof, that you have not evolved, from a single celled idiot.


As for as, mighty joe young, you got fooled by an april fool's, fool, congrats, now you are the fool. The person that thought april fools smashboards would be funny is even less intelligent, than a brainless sex organ.
HOW DID YOU BECOME A SMASH DEBATER??
 

starcock

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LOL I LOVE YOU! and btw ur definity right. brawl is terrible for very obvious reasons. the mass majority of the people who actually think its better are those who either dont masturbate enough or masturbate too little.
Exactly, When M2K,EGGM and other good players play melee, they can freely masturbate with one hand, and chaingrab you to death with the other hand, but in Brawl, their powers decreased dramatically because now, they have to use both hands for the control and therefore, losing the ability to ejaculate like that greek man? samson.
 

Scar

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Scar may have killed Mufasa in Melee but in Brawl, as Scar is approaching the cliff, he might randomly trip and lose the match.
LMAO. Imagine Scar never having had the chance to rule over Pride Rock because he slipped over Mufasa and died in the stampede. Thx Brawl, you ruined Disney Movie History.
 

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LMAO. Imagine Scar never having had the chance to rule over Pride Rock because he slipped over Mufasa and died in the stampede. Thx Brawl, you ruined Disney Movie History.
And instead of the circle of life, they use the crappy brawl music.
Duuuh...... duh da da da duuuuuh........ duuuuuuh duh da daaa da duuuuuuhh.
 

The Ocho

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Theres people who are better suited for Brawl, and those better suited for Melee.

If you wanna be deep, be my guest, play Melee, but I rolls with Brawl. I like the pace of Brawl more than Melee. I loved Melee, dont get me wrong, but I grew weary of it. And about 90% of the Brawl haters will belittle the skill of people who are doin it in Brawl, when the real reality is, you haven't adjusted like the rest of us have. You're mad because you can't do what you could do before. So what? OH NO! The Melee pros aren't dominating Brawl? TOO BAD! I'd get bored of seeing the same faces anyway.
 

pockyD

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i think the community is the best part, even more important than the game

seeing the same faces is the best part of smashing
 

Ryan-K

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Your signature discredits you the ocho.

I never knew there could be so much ignorance and stupidity in a single post but alas I have been proven wrong

/plays melee and brawl
 

The Ocho

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Wow, I'm not gonna dignify that, because I too play both Melee and Brawl, sheerly, I like Brawl more, but when people complain about a loss in Brawl, they flee to "That wouldn't have happened in Melee"

NEWSFLASH!
IF WE WERE PLAYING MELEE, WE'D KNOW!
 

GloWyrm

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Is it not possible that people are simply getting better? Just because the "best player in the world" can be beaten doesn't mean the game is worse. There are tons of new players in the scene now and it's VERY possible that some of these new people are better. Melee has been out a VERY LONG time too, so people that weren't the best yesterday could easily be tomorrow's best. This isn't much different than the world of sports. I don't think M2K loses in brawl because of the differences between it and melee.

I guess the only thing that would convince me of that is if you sat him down and played 10 games of melee with someone then 10 games of brawl with someone and he lost SIGNIFICANTLY more in brawl to the same person, ya know?

Personally I like brawl better .
 

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Brawl is a lot easier to play, theres no debating that.


It does seem to go back and forth with people that are good at Melee, but not amazing at Brawl like Melee better.

A lot of the people that played Melee and weren't that good at it, like brawl better because they are better at that.

However, Brawl is the future, at least for the time being.
 

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I guess the only thing that would convince me of that is if you sat him down and played 10 games of melee with someone then 10 games of brawl with someone and he lost SIGNIFICANTLY more in brawl to the same person, ya know?
Uh, OK, I'm 99% sure that M2K would beat Velocity 10 out of 10 times in Melee and would lose a bare minimum of 3 times to him in Brawl. I still don't see what this would prove at all though...

whatever, <3 Melee
 

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Brawl is better, me/area never really ever heard of melee. More people speak about brawl so it is better and I even researched Melee/read disscusions on the topic and found out the only way people like it is because the game was so broken, they relied on "mistaken moves" or glitches that the creator himself never intended to be used like that. "wave dashing" and other cheap tactics doesn't fly in brawl because it is about skill and intelligence. Brawl is also better because it doesn't have all clone characters like that melee game. Brawl is what is in now anyway, wether you like it or not, it is here to stay.
 

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brawl,takes no skill,little mindgames

melee,takes mindgames,takes alot of tech skill,and stages actually matter

in brawl stages feel like they are all the same,some are big some are small...thats it,theres no realy bad stage for characters just stages you might hate.melee if u end up on battlefield fox vs marth you know **** well your gonna be scared,brawl battlefield is like ...ok i hope i do good,thats another thing,this game is based on alot of luck sometimes,like d3's waddledee throw,if u get a gordo,thats completely luck you can never EVER take credit for killing someone with that because you didnt pull it out on purpose,metaknight is a cheap piece of ****,with his 1 mili second d smashes and his gimping up b's and his 5 w/e the **** jumps and he can fly and go under stages this **** is unbelieavable,the only reason people who like brawl even say they like it is because they cant handle melee,its speed,mindgames,and the way they have to adapt to characters.basically melee was a way better fighting game,in my opinion its the best fighitng game of all time,ive never played a game thats so technical and takes alot of skill,so yeah

BRAWL IS THE WORST CREATION MANKIND CAN EVER BRING UPON THIS EARTH,****ING JAPANESE ******* THAT MADE THIS SORRY EXCUSE FOR A GAME,CUZ HE DOESNT LIKE COMPETITION.FIRE THAT MOTHER ****ING PIECE OF ****!!!
 

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they relied on "mistaken moves" or glitches that the creator himself never intended to be used like that. "wave dashing" and other cheap tactics doesn't fly in brawl because it is about skill and intelligence. Brawl is also better because it doesn't have all clone characters like that melee game..
You're an idiot.




I say melee. The game takes technical skill, dexterity, and has a better suited game engine for competitive play.
 

Venom NY

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Brawl is better, me/area never really ever heard of melee. More people speak about brawl so it is better and I even researched Melee/read disscusions on the topic and found out the only way people like it is because the game was so broken, they relied on "mistaken moves" or glitches that the creator himself never intended to be used like that. "wave dashing" and other cheap tactics doesn't fly in brawl because it is about skill and intelligence. Brawl is also better because it doesn't have all clone characters like that melee game. Brawl is what is in now anyway, wether you like it or not, it is here to stay.
SHUT THE **** UP! its not like wavedashing gave people damage,it was used for mindgames,its most definetly not a cheap tactic even though it was a mistake it was one of the best things,its not like you could wavedash around,and be untouched you freaking idiot,i would LOVE to fight you in melee,and all you did was wavedash instead of running,and we'll see if its cheap or not you piece of ****
 

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Venom, man, calm down, nothing anyone says here changes anything.
The old players will try to hold onto Melee and the scrubs will find Smashboards and want to play Brawl, the Melee fans will grow older and get more demanding jobs and grow out of smashing while the younger players keep playing Brawl, and then what happened to 64 will happen to Melee, that's what I think anyway.

Oh, and Dedede pulling out a Gordo is unfair but a G&W's Judge 9 is all skill? Melee had flaws just like Brawl has flaws.
 

CanISmash

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there's no more melee anywhere.
time for brawl?
i hated the game but pit makes it fun. but im learning all wrong. cause if i try a character othan then pit i swear i got like 10 jumps when its only two.
but pit w.o.p ftw. thats all i like about brawl so far. that and imma learn how to lazer camp with fox in melee except its brawl and with pit... and with arrows. thx.
 

Siamese Lizard

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You're an idiot.


I say melee. The game takes technical skill, dexterity, and has a better suited game engine for competitive play.
You are childish and already calling people an idiot, your point will not even be heard because of your behavior. In politics, you don't se ethem going "you are an idiot" then speak their point, no, why? because it is immature, like you.



SHUT THE **** UP! its not like wavedashing gave people damage,it was used for mindgames,its most definetly not a cheap tactic even though it was a mistake it was one of the best things,its not like you could wavedash around,and be untouched you freaking idiot,i would LOVE to fight you in melee,and all you did was wavedash instead of running,and we'll see if its cheap or not you piece of ****


It is a mistake, lets all relax here with the baby temper. It is like running and the same? then why dont people just run? oh, it is because they need to cheat with the wave dash glitch. Melee is a broken game, play me and my crew in brawl(without the broken moves) and I bet you will be taken to school by us.
 

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Brawl is better, me/area never really ever heard of melee. More people speak about brawl so it is better and I even researched Melee/read disscusions on the topic and found out the only way people like it is because the game was so broken, they relied on "mistaken moves" or glitches that the creator himself never intended to be used like that. "wave dashing" and other cheap tactics doesn't fly in brawl because it is about skill and intelligence. Brawl is also better because it doesn't have all clone characters like that melee game. Brawl is what is in now anyway, wether you like it or not, it is here to stay.
You are childish and already calling people an idiot, your point will not even be heard because of your behavior. In politics, you don't se ethem going "you are an idiot" then speak their point, no, why? because it is immature, like you.

It is a mistake, lets all relax here with the baby temper. It is like running and the same? then why dont people just run? oh, it is because they need to cheat with the wave dash glitch. Melee is a broken game, play me and my crew in brawl(without the broken moves) and I bet you will be taken to school by us.
While I find your ignorance infuriating, I'm quite bored, so I've decided to indulge you and be civil about ripping your "argument" apart.

First, let's clear something up here about the difference between a glitch and an exploit. A glitch is something wacky that happens in a game due to an anomaly in the programming. Basically, someone accidentally divided by zero or took the root of a negative number or something in the code of the game and it doesn't know that to do. Examples of this in Melee would include the Ice Climber's Freeze glitch or Mewtwo's soul stunner. Something out of the ordinary happens, the game gets very very confused, and reacts in a highly unexpected way.

Exploits on the other hand are using the tools the game has given you in an unconventional manner. Given the 2 techniques, "jump" and "airdodge", people came up with an exploit to better control their character known as "wavedashing." Similar discoveries such as Float Canceling and Ledge Canceling have all contributed to the expansion of the speed and depth of Melee's gameplay.

So now that I'm done with semantics, let's pick apart why you hate Melee. You say that you hate it because of these exploits. I particularly love this quote:
"wave dashing" and other cheap tactics doesn't fly in brawl because it is about skill and intelligence.
How, exactly, would you say that wavedashing (no need for quotes, EVERYONE calls it that) reduces the need for skill and intelligence? I'll talk about why you're wrong about both. First, wavedashing requires skill because, well, it actually takes some practice doing to be able to do it effectively. See, that's what a skill is:
Dictionary.com said:
the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well
Now let's move on to intelligence. You apparently are under the entirely false pretense that someone who can wavedash would be able to just kick your *** without doing anything else or using their brain at all. To those of us who have been a part of the Melee community for any amount of time, this is laughable. Wavedashing does exactly 1 thing in this game, and that is expand your movement options from any position where you could jump from the ground. It doesn't automatically kill your opponent. It doesn't do anything by itself, it's all in how you use it. If expanding your character's options reduces the intelligence in the gameplay, then we have very different views of what intelligence is.

Anyhow, before you go off on some unintelligible tangent about how you think I'm wrong and stupid, I'll just bring up 1 more thing to discredit anything you might have to say about Melee:
Brawl is better, me/area never really ever heard of melee. More people speak about brawl so it is better and I even researched Melee/read disscusions on the topic and found out the only way people like it is because the game was so broken
First, "you/area" never really ever heard of Melee. So you're basing your entire discussion on a game you've never heard about on a little bit of reading and hearsay? Wow, I guess I didn't realize that that's enough to qualify you as an expert on something nowadays. In the future, please try to actually know a thing or two about what you're saying before you talk about the "only reasons" we love Melee. And also, "More people speak about brawl so it is better" is the worst logic I think I've ever heard. By that logic, you, my friend, are far worse than Inui, cause hey, people actually know who he is.

P.S. I would destroy you in Melee without using a single advanced technique.

P.P.S. I would also destroy you and your crew in Brawl. You would find what I did to you very cheap and complain that the creator's didn't intend to put it into the game.
 

Oorah-Kabra

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DAAAAMNNN... Thank you Mogwai, thank you so much. Because, when I read his post I thought all the thing. You ripped him a good one lol.
 

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me too me too!! its like how me and sensei play gerry.

I will 20 dollar money match any kid who thinks wavedashing and lcanceling in melee is a glitch and fight them. I'm sure sensei would do it too.

In fact, if they really want, they can wavedash and lcancel, and i wont. Now that puts the "cheap tactic" in your favor, I still accept.

Scared?
 

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It is a mistake, lets all relax here with the baby temper. It is like running and the same? then why dont people just run? oh, it is because they need to cheat with the wave dash glitch. Melee is a broken game, play me and my crew in brawl(without the broken moves) and I bet you will be taken to school by us.
LMAO MY CREW IS DEFINETLY THE BEST CREW IN NY,YA SHOULD DEFINETLY COME DOWN TO NY TO GET ANNIHALTED GET AT S.W.A.T
 

Venom NY

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me too me too!! its like how me and sensei play gerry.

I will 20 dollar money match any kid who thinks wavedashing and lcanceling in melee is a glitch and fight them. I'm sure sensei would do it too.

In fact, if they really want, they can wavedash and lcancel, and i wont. Now that puts the "cheap tactic" in your favor, I still accept.

Scared?
GET AT DOYOUNG 2 ****ING GOOD YO LOL
 

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It is a mistake, lets all relax here with the baby temper. It is like running and the same? then why dont people just run? oh, it is because they need to cheat with the wave dash glitch. Melee is a broken game, play me and my crew in brawl(without the broken moves) and I bet you will be taken to school by us.
Melee has an established community and an established metagame. I would say brawl has neither.

Brawl has a community, but it is far from established. No one has really made a name for themselves yet. Until huge regional and national tournaments start showing up, the community as a whole will consist of self contained smaller communities. (Gamestop national tournament was garbage.)

As far as metagame goes, Brawl's has not taken shape yet. Random people claim to have an in depth knowledge of the game and the skill to back it up, but rarely can these people prove it. (My experience with Brawl online has been plagued with lag issues.)

Melee has its issues, but for someone who has never played the game to say it's broken is just ludicrous. In my opinion. brawl is turning out to be the more broken game. Some of the most unfair things (DDD's chain grab and falco's laser lock) take little to no skill. Metaknight's tornado is almost unpunishable. These things to me are broken.

Washdashing is a physics engine exploit, not a glitch. Also, washdashing isn't a game breaking maneuver. It is just a movement option.

I think Cactuar will be able to explain this better. Cactus, do your thread search dealy and post here.
 
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