At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

[cmbsfm]

I’m sorry, W H O T ? !

I don’t know what this means for The Game Awards this year. A solid Doom Eternal Switch release date? Doom Slayer in Smash? A Doom WAD portal for Switch? Oh my god, this is getting me excited as balls!

A Doom WAD portal for Switch would be dope.
Probably means nothing for Smash though.

I still kinda hope Doomslayer is FP5 despite all the leakers. Would love for them to get BTFO’d. Maybe FP5 and 6 are revealed at the event? Who knows.

 

[dolke]

I have no doubt that there's going to be some DOOM news at the Game Awards this year, and the fact that they just now decided to follow Nintendo makes me think there's going to be some Nintendo news regarding DOOM too.

 

[TindalosKeeper]

Odd... But this confirms they both are in very good relations nowadays.
Question, though... Is NoA in communication with NoJ?
If Japan needs an enquiry from a Western corporation, do they communicate with America first?

 

[dolke]

Odd... But this confirms they both are in very good relations nowadays.
Question, though... Is NoA in communication with NoJ?
If Japan needs an enquiry from a Western corporation, do they communicate with America first?

I doubt it, they'd likely communicate with the corporation directly.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

I really hope the leakers get BTFO this time around lmao

 

[ActualGarbage]

I really hope the leakers get BTFO this time around lmao

Honestly, no disrespect to the individuals themselves, but same super hard. I just want them to be proven absolutely wrong, just because I don't care for how much stock people put into them.

 

[PublicServant]

Honestly, no disrespect to the individuals themselves, but same super hard. I just want them to be proven absolutely wrong, just because I don't care for how much stock people put into them.

Same could be said for any supporter of a fighter that a leaker has reconfirmed on supposed inferences.

And yes, I too am eagerly waiting for a BTFO. I've already got a little meme in the works that features the Caco hat leak alongside both Sabi's and Vergeben's deconfirmations of the Slayer's inclusion.

Now all that's needed is (hopefully) some footage from his trailer and the backtracking leaker responses that will inevitably follow.

 

[PublicServant]

As a side-not, why is there no delete option for posts on mobile?

 

[ActualGarbage]

As a side-not, why is there no delete option for posts on mobile?

Every mobile version of anything seems to get shafted, huh?

 

[doomguywhen1993]

I feel like if id ever wants to do something official about WADs like a collection or offering support on consoles, they would have to get in touch with fans a lot more than just occasionally posting someone's fanart on Twitter.
Besides the offical ports' problems, some people at id may be the kind with surface knowledge of only knowing Brutal Doom.
Another thing is that Doom has a big and amazing fanbase with some great history and some fans might as well know more about Doom history than id themselves.
Like Slayer's Club would improve if a lot of articles about trivia and facts were written by MarphyBlack who sometimes corrects id and other companies on historical mistakes and might as well have a wise knowledge that everyone wishes they had.

On the subject of leakers, most "deconfirmed" characters are those that were confirmed before by the same leakers, so if the confirmations themselves are false, what does that say about the deconfirmations?
That stuff is only clear when it actually happens, so for what we know, we might as well get Crash or Dante this VGA.
These leakers also have a history of either getting stuff wrong or not mentioning some details before they happen and the main reason being they have a source they rely on, so much like the people that listen to them, these "leakers" also rely on other leakers and those sources might as well rely on another source... and another... and another... and another... until the real source behind this human centipede of a cycle turns out to be a random 4chan post that said SpongeBob and Crash are in.

Also, Kratos being considered a "risky possiblity" when if there ever were Sony reps, it'd be either Spike from Ape Escape, Kat from Gravity Rush, Parappa, Lammy Lamb or Toro.
At least those could have higher chances (Also, i can imagine Sakurai giving these characters better respect than PSASBR did).

https://twitter.com/HWheels36/status/1201170767267946496

 

[GolisoPower]

Did you guys see this thing going around about a "DOOM Slayers Collection" that was posted on the GAME UK website and up for pre-order?

It's supposed to be a bundle that includes Doom, Doom II, Doom 3 and DOOM (2016) in a single package, and a few verified game Twitters have tweeted it. Sounds pretty underwhelming if this is true, considering I have all 4 of those games purchased on separate occasions.

I dunno why, but now that I'm thinking about it, there might be something else to it.

EDIT: Here's the link: https://www.game.co.uk/en/doom-slayers-collection-2704780

 

[I.D.]

Also, Kratos being considered a "risky possiblity" when if there ever were Sony reps, it'd be either Spike from Ape Escape, Kat from Gravity Rush, Parappa, Lammy Lamb or Toro.
At least those could have higher chances

You really think Kat is more likely than Kratos?

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Did you guys see this thing going around about a "DOOM Slayers Collection" that was posted on the GAME UK website and up for pre-order?

It's supposed to be a bundle that includes Doom, Doom II, Doom 3 and DOOM (2016) in a single package, and a few verified game Twitters have tweeted it. Sounds pretty underwhelming if this is true, considering I have all 4 of those games purchased on separate occasions.

I dunno why, but now that I'm thinking about it, there might be something else to it.

EDIT: Here's the link: https://www.game.co.uk/en/doom-slayers-collection-2704780

At least should throw in Final Doom and Doom 64 for good measure. But depending on the price I could see it as a cool bundle for people that want to get the whole series in one (hopefully) resonably priced package.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Wait? There might be a complete package with most of the previous Doom games? Interesting.

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[Holphino]

Did you guys see this thing going around about a "DOOM Slayers Collection" that was posted on the GAME UK website and up for pre-order?

It's supposed to be a bundle that includes Doom, Doom II, Doom 3 and DOOM (2016) in a single package, and a few verified game Twitters have tweeted it. Sounds pretty underwhelming if this is true, considering I have all 4 of those games purchased on separate occasions.

I dunno why, but now that I'm thinking about it, there might be something else to it.

EDIT: Here's the link: https://www.game.co.uk/en/doom-slayers-collection-2704780

That literally just the Doom 3 BFG edition with Doom 2016 included. They're clearly just trying to make some extra money on the side.

 

[dolke]

What do you guys think ID is gonna do on the 10th? A trailer? A whole presentation? A demo?

 

[ActualGarbage]

What do you guys think ID is gonna do on the 10th? A trailer? A whole presentation? A demo?

I'm stoopid, did they say something about the 10th?

 

[dolke]

I'm stoopid, did they say something about the 10th?

I believe they said during one of their streams they would do *something* on the 10th to mark the end of the year of Doom. It's also the release date of the original game.

 

[ActualGarbage]

I believe they said during one of their streams they would do *something* on the 10th to mark the end of the year of Doom. It's also the release date of the original game.

Well if that's the case then... I'd assume it'll be just some little info or news, but I do hope for a trailer or a demo, those would be niceu.

 

[Davidius]

Discussion seems slow these days. What are your thoughts on the Cacodemon Mii hat leak at this point? I'm still thinking fake but it seems like it's just been forgotten because of Sabi/Vergeben saying it's not for fighter 5. Honestly it would be nice if one of the "deconfirmed" characters were FP5 because the leaker cults are getting a bit demented and it would be better if their words weren't treated like gospel.

Also what do people think of the supposed Master Chief in Smash vocaroo? ( https://vocaroo.com/gO9VyfyY5eE )
It sounds a lot like the actress but the voice direction makes it sound inauthentic, like a first take. Even if it is her it could be something a fan asked her to say.

 

[GolisoPower]

Discussion seems slow these days. What are your thoughts on the Cacodemon Mii hat leak at this point? I'm still thinking fake but it seems like it's just been forgotten because of Sabi/Vergeben saying it's not for fighter 5. Honestly it would be nice if one of the "deconfirmed" characters were FP5 because the leaker cults are getting a bit demented and it would be better if their words weren't treated like gospel.

Also what do people think of the supposed Master Chief in Smash vocaroo? ( https://vocaroo.com/gO9VyfyY5eE )
It sounds a lot like the actress but the voice direction makes it sound inauthentic, like a first take. Even if it is her it could be something a fan asked her to say.

I think it’s pretty real. No one has been able to replicate the costumes to the quality that they showed in the leak, and we have yet to see the supposed leaker come out like Omni did.

As for the Master Chief thing...now I may not have heard much Halo voice lines, but that does not sound like Cortana to me. Unless they recasted her for Smash, I’m calling this fake.

 

[Davidius]

I think it’s pretty real. No one has been able to replicate the costumes to the quality that they showed in the leak, and we have yet to see the supposed leaker come out like Omni did.

As for the Master Chief thing...now I may not have heard much Halo voice lines, but that does not sound like Cortana to me. Unless they recasted her for Smash, I’m calling this fake.

You're probably right about Cortana. It's been a long time since I played Halo so maybe it just suits my memory of what she sounds like.

For the Mii hat the problem I have with the quality aspect is you don't really get a good look at the hat in the leak and it might be worse looking than it seems. Game engine lighting can make some assets look more polished than they are. (The Unreal Engine effect) Add to that it's a picture of a television and you only get a vague sense of the quality. The video's quality is just useless.

The model posted earlier in the thread looks like a decent replica to me but the texture quality is obviously poor.

I assume you're talking about this one right? It looks like a recreation to me, a pretty good one but still a recreation non the less.
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It would be nice to have had this one released publicly to see how it looks in an actual game but it was posted anonymously and whoever did it obviously wanted to channel the Grinch leak with the laughing emoji.

 

[cmbsfm]

Discussion seems slow these days. What are your thoughts on the Cacodemon Mii hat leak at this point? I'm still thinking fake but it seems like it's just been forgotten because of Sabi/Vergeben saying it's not for fighter 5. Honestly it would be nice if one of the "deconfirmed" characters were FP5 because the leaker cults are getting a bit demented and it would be better if their words weren't treated like gospel.

Also what do people think of the supposed Master Chief in Smash vocaroo? ( https://vocaroo.com/gO9VyfyY5eE )
It sounds a lot like the actress but the voice direction makes it sound inauthentic, like a first take. Even if it is her it could be something a fan asked her to say.

I think it could be for post pass content. Not sure if they work on mii costumes that early though, but they should be easy so getting the easiest things out of the way may be favorable.

The Cortana impression is pretty good, but the dialogue is kinda bad and it’s far too on the nose for Smash bros.

Also this thread kinda died down a bit because of the insiders saying doom Slayer isn’t FP5

 

[dolke]

I don't think I really doubt Sabi and Verge's sources, but I really hope they got their order wrong.

 

[Holphino]

You're probably right about Cortana. It's been a long time since I played Halo so maybe it just suits my memory of what she sounds like.

For the Mii hat the problem I have with the quality aspect is you don't really get a good look at the hat in the leak and it might be worse looking than it seems. Game engine lighting can make some assets look more polished than they are. (The Unreal Engine effect) Add to that it's a picture of a television and you only get a vague sense of the quality. The video's quality is just useless.

The model posted earlier in the thread looks like a decent replica to me but the texture quality is obviously poor.

It would be nice to have had this one released publicly to see how it looks in an actual game but it was posted anonymously and whoever did it obviously wanted to channel the Grinch leak with the laughing emoji.

One thing that strikes me about the recreation is the laughing face. I mean I get why you're using it, you wanna channel the Grinch and it's good for the memes, but I still find it odd. My personal theory is the "hat" that we see in the picture is actually a helmet, and the laughing face is actually apart of the Cacodemon model itself. I could 100% be wrong, but it would explain why he didn't want to show gameplay. Plus we've heard from various modders that helmets are considerably easier to mod in, when compared to hats at least.

 

[WeirdSandwich]

Ok, since Doomguy is currently my most wanted newcomer (now that Banjo's here) I decided to have a go at a making a moveset for him! Obviously a lot of ideas will be similar to what others have come up with, since we'd all be aiming to emulate the feeling of Doom and FPS. So I tried to go in more detail in some areas. It's a long post so I've put it behind spoilers:

Spoiler: Moveset

Play as either modern Doom Slayer, or classic Doomguy.

Entrance
Differs depending on the skin.
Doom Slayer: Rises from the sarcophagus.
Classic Doomguy: Teleports in with the green energy effect from the original Doom.


Alt colours:
Doom Slayer: Standard Dark Green, Red (Cacodemon), Brown (Imp), Black (Shotgunner)
Doomguy: Standard Light Green, Blue Chest with lighter blue legs (Mega Armour), White Chest with Red Legs (Revenant), Pink Chest with Yellow Helmet and Blue Legs (Commander Keen)


General
As mentioned the aim is to try to capture the feeling of Doom gameplay and FPS in general. So to achieve this:

Shooting: Lots of ranged attacks with his weapons, obviously. Some that require more precise aiming than others, and there should be viable ranged kill options.

Resources: A large part of FPS gameplay is resource management, with ammo, health, armour, etc. So to capture this, Doomguy has an ammo counter for all his gun attacks, which can be refilled by dealing damage through melee attacks. This also replicates Doom 2016 gameplay where you have to get close to enemies to regain resources. Maybe he should also recover a small amount of ammo from successfully hitting ranged attacks as well to reward good aim, but that might be harder to balance.

Speed: Doomguys ground movement should be fast, as he is in the original games. Like ridiculously fast. Captain Falcon fast.

Fragility: In the original games, Doomguy was fast and had great firepower, but was fairly fragile. So to replicate this, Doomguy should have a bad recovery, sorry to say. With fast movement and powerful attacks he would need to have a weak recovery for balance. Similar to Little Mac in a way but hopefully balanced better.


Standard attacks
Jab: Standard punch, punch, kick. Punches and kicks derived from Doom 2016 Glory kill animations (with no gore though! Smash is for good boys of course).
Forward tilt: Doomguy quickly thrusts a chainsaw in front of him.
Up tilt: Doomguy quickly thrusts the chainsaw upwards.
Down tilt: Kicks his leg out downwards.


Smashes
Side Smash: Super shotgun blast (With ammo). Somewhat slow start-up, medium damage, great knockback, great range for a smash attack. Intended to be Doom Slayers best kill option for close to medium range
Without ammo - Swings his chainsaw out. Less damage and knockback than the super shotgun, but recovers a lot of ammo.

Up smash: Swings Crucible sword in upwards arc. Basically the same as Ganondorfs, but not as strong. Good range, medium knockback, low damage, fast start-up, and requires no ammo.

Down smash: Doomguy swings chainsaw at a low angle from in front of him to behind him. Slow startup with low range and low knockback, but high damage and recovers the most ammo of any single attack.


Specials
Neutral B: Fire equipped weapon. Pretty self-explanatory, each weapon requires ammo. To keep it simple, weapon ammo is generic and pools from the same meter. Each weapons depletes ammo at different rate, and ammo is replenished through melee attacks as mentioned earlier.

Down B: Weapon select - Press to cycle or hold down to bring up a selection wheel, similar to Shulks Monado arts. Weapons available:

Pistol: - Fast start-up, medium fire rate, low damage, low knock back, low ammo cost. Fast projectile. Intended for easily racking up damage at long distances.
Shotgun - Fast start-up, medium damage that drops off at a distance, high knockback/stun at close range, medium ammo cost. Intended to be used at close to medium range to control space or start combos. Becomes less useful than pistol at long ranges.
Chaingun - Long start-up and cooldown as chaingun slows up/speeds down. High damage, medium knockback, with fast projectiles once chaingun is up to speed. Hard to avoid once going, but chews up ammo very very quickly. Intended to be a high risk/high reward sort of option.
Plasma Gun - Fast fire rate with medium damage, that doesn't drop off. No knockback or stun. Relatively slow projectile speed and medium ammo cost. Intended to rack up damage at long range like the pistol, but more damaging and harder to successfully land.
Rocket Launcher - Fast projectile, high damage with no drop-off, high knockback, medium projectile speed, medium start-up, high ammo cost. Doom Slayers best long range kill option. Also a kill option at close range, but you will take a lot of splash damage.

Side B: Grappling Hook. Doomguy shoots out his new shotgun grappling hook from Eternal as a command grab that pulls the enemy towards him. If ammo is available, Doom Slayer immediately shoots the opponent with the shotgun for medium damage, medium knockback. If no ammo is available, then Doom Slayer punches the opponent for low damage, low knockback, and receives some ammo back in return. Can be used as a tether recovery, even without ammo.

Up B: Rocket Jump. The FPS rep has to have a rocket jump! Doom Slayer aims rocket launcher at his feet, shoots, and the explosion rockets him upwards. Works in midair even though there's nothing for the rocket to detonate on. Can be angled slightly left or right after firing. The explosion itself does high damage and knockback to opponents, and Doom Slayer himself does low damage and knockback when in motion. Doom Slayer can also act again after using it.
The downside however, is that he will still take damage from the rocket explosion every time he uses it, though less than the side B version. It also relies on the ammo counter, so you can't use it to recover with no ammo left. If you attempt to use it, Doom Slayer will swing the rocket launcher around like a club to attack, and get a very small midair boost (similar to Yoshi's up B). The idea is to replicate the mechanics of Doom - in the original Doomguy is fragile and heavily relies on resource management, so his recovery reflects this.


Aerials
Aerials with shotgun variants use up ammo, these always do more damage and knockback than the melee variants.

Neutral aerial: Swings chainsaw around him.
Forward aerial: With ammo - Shoots super shotgun with short range of effect in front of him. Without ammo - Throws a knee out forward, similar to Captain falcon but with no strong sweetspot.
Back aerial: Rams the butt of his super shotgun behind him.
Up aerial: With ammo - Shoots super shotgun upwards. Without ammo - Kicks upwards.
Down aerial: With ammo - Shoots super shotgun below him, spikes opponent. Without ammo - Stomps downward, similar to Ganondorfs but a bit faster and weaker, and doesn't spike.


Grabs and throws
Shotgun blast variants of throws have more damage and knockback..

Grab: Doomguy grabs opponent by the throat with right hand. Pummel is repeated punches with his left hand as in the original Doom. Recovers a decent amount of ammo.
Up throw: With ammo - Super shotgun blast upwards. Without ammo - Punches opponent up.
Forward throw: With ammo - Super shotgun blast forward. Without ammo - Kicks opponent forwards
Back throw: With ammo - Super shotgun blast backwards. Without ammo - Knocks opponent backwards with butt of super shotgun
Down throw: Sweeps the opponents leg and punches them into the ground like this glory kill (without the head exploding of course): https://youtu.be/BWepwS_p5lg?t=17


Final Smash
Doomguy teleports away, and the classic Doom HUD fills the border of the screen with the BFG equipped. A cursor appears that you use to target another player (think Bowser or Snakes Final Smashes) and after a couple seconds the BFG fires its plasma ball. The player that gets hit directly takes massive damage and knockback. Any other player on screen gets hit with secondary green lasers, for high damage but little knockback.



Taunts
Up Taunt: Gives a thumbs-up to the camera, as he did in Doom 2016 with the Terminator reference.
Side Taunt: Brings out the Super Shotgun and reloads it.
Down Taunt: A bunny walks out from behind Doomguys legs, he leans down and pets it.


Misc
Victory Theme: Intermission from Doom 1
Victory animations:
Doom Slayer - Take any of the taunt animations from the multiplayer, but I'd lean towards the heavy metal horns: https://youtu.be/Y5CT-9ROofQ?t=133
Doomguy - Takes his helmet off and gives his classic grin to the camera.

Stage: Mars Base - Standard Doom looking Mars base, but after a minute or so the main platform gets teleported into Hell. This way they can sneak a hell stage into Smash without ever actually having to call it that.

Hope you enjoy reading!

 

[TindalosKeeper]

I think it could be for post pass content. Not sure if they work on mii costumes that early though, but they should be easy so getting the easiest things out of the way may be favorable.

The Cortana impression is pretty good, but the dialogue is kinda bad and it’s far too on the nose for Smash bros.

Also this thread kinda died down a bit because of the insiders saying doom Slayer isn’t FP5

It's really not dead. I guess we just said what we had to say...

Only thing we have to do is to wait for the VGA's to happen and see who gets in.

As for the Master Chief thing... There's not even a video of said person talking, so I'll have to doubt it 100%... If the voice actor of Cortana was actually talking, then I'll take it 100% real, but nah... I believe that's not going to happen...

 

[volbound1700]

My only issue with Sabi and Verge is that they have basically deconfirmed anyone that would create hype with FP5. Either Nintendo is going to give us a lame entry that isn't popular anywhere but Japan and close out the Fighter Pass on a major thud or Sabi and Verge are wrong.

 

[ActualGarbage]

My only issue with Sabi and Verge is that they have basically deconfirmed anyone that would create hype with FP5. Either Nintendo is going to give us a lame entry that isn't popular anywhere but Japan and close out the Fighter Pass on a major thud or Sabi and Verge are wrong.

I wouldn't even be slightly surprised if the Fighter's Pass ended on the weakest note possible.

 

[dolke]

Speaking of leakers, have you guys seen the chaos currently going down in the leaking community?

 

[volbound1700]

I wouldn't even be slightly surprised if the Fighter's Pass ended on the weakest note possible.

I am preparing myself for it after some of the lame picks that came with it. I liked Banjo and Hero but wasn't a fan of Joker and Terry.

 

[PublicServant]

Speaking of leakers, have you guys seen the chaos currently going down in the leaking community?

You could say that again. Seems like people are suspecting that Sabi and their sources have been fed false info, given the staggering number of big-name companies being "deconfirmed" left right and centre:

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[dolke]

Have you guys seen this theory?

Two days ago, the Smash twitter account posted some anniversary pictures to celebrate the one year anniversary of the game. The last pictures shows all of the DLC fighters so far with Mario, but for some reason, Daisy is also in the picture. A lot of people are speculating that Daisy is supposed to be a hint to the next fighter, and I think it helps our boy's chances if she is. Considering Daisy is the name of Doomguy's rabbit and also that she's doing a peace sign in the pic (bunny ears), I really hope Nintendo is trying to hint at Doomguy.

 

[GolisoPower]

Have you guys seen this theory?

Two days ago, the Smash twitter account posted some anniversary pictures to celebrate the one year anniversary of the game. The last pictures shows all of the DLC fighters so far with Mario, but for some reason, Daisy is also in the picture. A lot of people are speculating that Daisy is supposed to be a hint to the next fighter, and I think it helps our boy's chances if she is. Considering Daisy is the name of Doomguy's rabbit and also that she's doing a peace sign in the pic (bunny ears), I really hope Nintendo is trying to hint at Doomguy.

That would be nuts, but from what I've seen, people who've seen the Daisy pic have discovered more parallels between her and KOS-MOS rather than Doom Slayer.

Now it would be awesome if this was actually hinting at Doom Slayer for me, but I feel that based on this, KOS-MOS seems more likely at this rate.

 

[ActualGarbage]

That would be nuts, but from what I've seen, people who've seen the Daisy pic have discovered more parallels between her and KOS-MOS rather than Doom Slayer.

Now it would be awesome if this was actually hinting at Doom Slayer for me, but I feel that based on this, KOS-MOS seems more likely at this rate.

Honestly, I feel like it's more likely that it's literally just a picture with Daisy in it, everything doesn't have to be a tease.

 

[tactical_meme]

Have you guys seen this theory?

Two days ago, the Smash twitter account posted some anniversary pictures to celebrate the one year anniversary of the game. The last pictures shows all of the DLC fighters so far with Mario, but for some reason, Daisy is also in the picture. A lot of people are speculating that Daisy is supposed to be a hint to the next fighter, and I think it helps our boy's chances if she is. Considering Daisy is the name of Doomguy's rabbit and also that she's doing a peace sign in the pic (bunny ears), I really hope Nintendo is trying to hint at Doomguy.

I'm pretty sure that one started as a joke, nothing to seriously consider. It'd be cool if that were actually the case though. Guess only time will tell.

 

[volbound1700]

I will tell everyone my first Doom Story. I was 10 year old and my dad and I use to go to the computer game store to kill time (this was in 1994 or 1995). We saw Doom 2 and he bought it and brought it home. I was 10 and played it. I would love to use the cheat codes like IDDQD (I literally just typed that off the top of my head) and IDCLIP and then run around the level to row up the monsters and then watch them all kill each other.

I later got Doom 1 in Highschool and played through it. Great games. I also own Doom 3 BFG edition for PS3 and the new Doom (I will call it Doom 4 to be simple). I am going to say something unpopular, I am not that big of a fan of the new Doom. The whole run around and melee attack monsters for health is silly. I miss the strategy of the original Dooms and would love to see that design brought back. The openess and lack of script and linear nature to the levels was also great.

 

[KillerCage]

What is going on here!?
I wasn't getting alerts on this thread too!

 

[Room100]

I wouldn't even be slightly surprised if the Fighter's Pass ended on the weakest note possible.

I've been trying to prepare myself for this as much as possible. I feel like it's happened multiple times with Smash, it'll be the kind of the thing where everyone will say "Banjo would've been the most hype 5th fighter".

 

[dolke]

Not sure if you guys have seen this, but this 4chan post from August got a lot of stuff right. The only things they missed were the patch number and the time of the update. I didn't know that anyone was aware Terry was coming to smash before the snk leak, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this guy is credible.