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Q&A Ask about Pikachu! Hosted by Axe and N64! feat. dkuo!
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best advice imo
OliClutch117
Smash Apprentice
You could try changing the button you use to L-cancel with
OliClutch117
Smash Apprentice
L just stands for Lag it doesn't necessarily involve the L trigger. If I had a nickel for everyone that made that mistake.
AXE 09
Smash Master
You can L cancel using L, R, or Z. I use R, but everyone's different.
N64
Smash Champion
I think it's an advantage Marth matchup, but axe makes it look pretty damn even.
I still say it's advantage Marth, but only very slightly
Marth has pretty good tools to keep pika out, but once pika gets in it can be pretty difficult for Marth to regain control.
I still say it's advantage Marth, but only very slightly
Marth has pretty good tools to keep pika out, but once pika gets in it can be pretty difficult for Marth to regain control.
This is actually not true. N64 players cancelled with their left index finger on the z button, so the first competitive meleers used what felt most natural to them to cancel (the L button) since it used the same finger as in smash 64. Thus, z-cancelling became L cancelling in melee based on people using the L button to cancel out of habit.
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^this isn't true. L-Canceling has always been short for Lag-Canceling, and tbh I highly doubt there was any sort of widespread L-Canceling in 64 before Melee came out. There wasn't any reason to get good at it because the Melee era is what invented the concept of hosting, attending, and traveling to tournaments. Metagame didn't really develop because the internet was in its baby stages. Etc. etc.
My source: directly from Isai who has been at the top of the n64 metagame since before melee came out and i believe he was part of the early melee tournament scene as falcon as well.
Think about it. why wouldn't people call it lag cancelling instead of l cancelling if that's what it stood for. Lag cancelling is the same amount of syllables as L cancelling, it doesn't even shorten it.
Of course there was widespread z cancelling in high level n64 play before melee. It's not that hard to find out by accident after playing seriously for a couple months, especially if you play link (I know several people that found it out by accident in the early stages of smash just by trying to shield when they hit the floor with his terribly laggy Dair). Remember that in smash 64 the window for z cancelling is 20 frames, not the 7 frames in melee.
Also, if it really was short for lag cancel, then why is it 100% completely consistently called z cancelling by n64 smashers and not l cancelling? The only time I've heard someone say L cancel for smash 64 was when they were meleers coming over to advanced SSB for the first time.
There's my evidence. Where's yours?
indigestible_wad
Smash Lord
Imo I don't understand why people don't just call it shield cancelling. It involves only buttons that shield in either game.
Rainbow
Smash Apprentice
that would be even more confusing, but whatever smash jargon makes no sense to new players anyway
indigestible_wad
Smash Lord
In the end, it doesn't matter how the term originated, popular opinion states that the L stands for lag, therefore that's what it is.
oukd
Smash Lord
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hey let's steer discussion back into pika metagame realm guys :o
if there was a player interested in picking up pika that was asking you for advice on him, what would be the absolute number 1 most important thing you would tell them that is vital to pika success? assume they already know (or at least know to first learn) general stuff like tech, spacing, experience, etc. im kind of struggling to come up with a single response to this myself
if there was a player interested in picking up pika that was asking you for advice on him, what would be the absolute number 1 most important thing you would tell them that is vital to pika success? assume they already know (or at least know to first learn) general stuff like tech, spacing, experience, etc. im kind of struggling to come up with a single response to this myself
Learn how to effectively use Pika's Uair into combos cuz that moves is SOOOOOO good for me to start combos
Msamuleman
Smash Rookie
That's really hard to say. On one hand, Pika's Uair is versatile as hell with its great ability to gimp and combo depending on positioning. Yet, at the same time I feel like quick attack is more integral due to the fact that it seems great for recovery, edgeguarding, and additionally mindgames which is something that a lot of recoveries can't really boast as far as I can tell. It just feels like a potentially more abusable tool IMO.
Captain Smuckers
Smash Journeyman
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i'd say the biggest point when deciding to main pikachu is being okay with losing after outplaying your opponent to varying degrees.
AXE 09
Smash Master
Definitely master his Uair. That move alone makes Pikachu amazing.
N64
Smash Champion
you are able to cancel taunt by shielding after a certain point, before its normal animation or soundfile end.
Edit: but for srs, learn uair hitbox spacings and timings. It's one of the most influential things I can reasonably lump into one category.
Edit: but for srs, learn uair hitbox spacings and timings. It's one of the most influential things I can reasonably lump into one category.
Captain Smuckers
Smash Journeyman
N64
Smash Champion
So my question/curiosity is: how often do you guys use bair? In what situations will you use it? Do you like it as a move?
Captain Smuckers
Smash Journeyman
I don't, I won't, I don't
...except sometimes after rising up airs....
...except sometimes after rising up airs....
AXE 09
Smash Master
Throwing this out there: Here's a recent set vs Tai lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJk2YTuEVRY
I also played against Wobbles, but I didn't use Pikachu in that set. And in the set of Wobbles vs Tai, I commentated for any of you who want to check it out =)
To answer the question about Bair... I don't use it much at all =/ I like to use it sometimes after rising Uairs, and occasionally as a move when falling while my opponent's behind me (it's kind of deceiving so they'll get hit by it, and even if it doesn't hit, their next move whiffs because Pikachu is so flat on the ground, or they'll get hit by the last hitbox when Pikachu lands on the floor).
Also I sometimes like SHFFL Bair when they're behind me, because it's a move that's not easy to punish since it hits their shield twice with that landing hitbox.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJk2YTuEVRY
I also played against Wobbles, but I didn't use Pikachu in that set. And in the set of Wobbles vs Tai, I commentated for any of you who want to check it out =)
To answer the question about Bair... I don't use it much at all =/ I like to use it sometimes after rising Uairs, and occasionally as a move when falling while my opponent's behind me (it's kind of deceiving so they'll get hit by it, and even if it doesn't hit, their next move whiffs because Pikachu is so flat on the ground, or they'll get hit by the last hitbox when Pikachu lands on the floor).
Also I sometimes like SHFFL Bair when they're behind me, because it's a move that's not easy to punish since it hits their shield twice with that landing hitbox.
N64
Smash Champion
I once ledge-cancelled a fair into bair on IHSB. He turned and looked at me for a second, and then turned back to the game. I love IHSB.
Bair was probably my least used aerial (I love dair and fair too much), but I still threw it out as an approach occasionally because it's just so janky. It would often hit because wtf is pikachu doing... where is the hitbox on that thing... pikachu you don't have a helicopter attack... etc.
It also ducks ganon's shieldgrabs if he does it too quickly. What a goofy move.
Bair was probably my least used aerial (I love dair and fair too much), but I still threw it out as an approach occasionally because it's just so janky. It would often hit because wtf is pikachu doing... where is the hitbox on that thing... pikachu you don't have a helicopter attack... etc.
It also ducks ganon's shieldgrabs if he does it too quickly. What a goofy move.
Msamuleman
Smash Rookie
In all honesty, I almost never use my Bair unless by accident. It's just feels kinda pointless in most cases when I have three other generally entirely superior aerials to choose from.
oukd
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good work at salvation axe 
your pika is seriously fearless...i dont get it. tai also seems like he improved a lot, might just be me though
and im stealing 9:45
watching the set, i feel like people don't punish getting hit by pika's weak nair, it barely does anything most of the time...woo
your pika is seriously fearless...i dont get it. tai also seems like he improved a lot, might just be me thoughand im stealing 9:45
watching the set, i feel like people don't punish getting hit by pika's weak nair, it barely does anything most of the time...woo