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[tekkie]

Wow,omg i forgot to ask,ive been wanting to know how to item boost for sooo long.some1 please tell me

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=218126

Finally found the guide again.

 

[=)@MePlz]

Wolf is learning curve just to play with really isnt that high,but if you want to be really good yes its really high,ive been using wolf for 7months now i think and i could get much better.natrual things that u can learn that will help your wolf would be dacus,shorthop,fastfall,spacing,shieldgrabing(works like a charm),pivot grab-i actually do it with wolf(mr. t rex) and yea,i think i got most..

What about secondaries?

I have ROB and DK, but i would prefer ONE secondary (mid-high tier).

 

[tekkie]

What about secondaries?

I have ROB and DK, but i would prefer ONE secondary (mid-high tier).

I use Kirby. He takes care of Falco, Shiek, Dedede, and Pikachu.

 

[Dv8tor]

What does R.O.B. have over D3 anyway? I know his lasers go through waddle-dees but D3's range is so much longer than R.O.B. so when it's up close it's very difficult.

 

[=)@MePlz]

What does R.O.B. have over D3 anyway? I know his lasers go through waddle-dees but D3's range is so much longer than R.O.B. so when it's up close it's very difficult.

ROB's Advantages:

• Better aerial game than D3 (D3's Bair can be annoying, but ROB can deal with it)
• Edgeguarding. D3's recovery isn't bad, but it's easy to intercept.
• Being campy.

I don't want this to become a matchup thread, so we'll leave it as that.

The matchup can be neutral (50:50) or D3's (60:40).

It's all in counterpicking (rainbow cruise anyone?)

 

[OmegaXis]

Can wolf chaingrab?

 

[=)@MePlz]

Can wolf chaingrab?

No. Unless you have a stupid opponent, you can semi-chain with F-throw or D-throw at low percentages.

 

[Dv8tor]

Simple question to simple answer, no more need be said. Thanks

 

[=)@MePlz]

Question

Is Diddy Kong a good secondary for Wolf?

He covers D3, GW and MK somewhat nicely.

And his naners **** all the way THROUGH THE @**.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

MK and Marth are good secondaries.

 

[tekkie]

MK and Marth are good secondaries.

For anyone, amirite?

 

[mith132]

MK is a good secondary for everyone for obvious reasons. I'm not so sure about Marth, but he seems viable.

 

[OmegaXis]

Mk is a good secondary to anyone...

Currently I run shiek as my secondary. Shes alright, and covers most things wolf can't do(like recover lol)

 

[Dv8tor]

Recovery with Wolf is not bad. You just need to practice it a little

 

[=)@MePlz]

MK is a good secondary for everyone for obvious reasons. I'm not so sure about Marth, but he seems viable.

nvm, I use Diddy Kong.

His bananas are ****. COMBOS

 

[Honeythief]

Alright, I have simple question in hopes of a simple answer ^^. With my wolf, when I shine some one, I usually do a forward on them directly after. Is there anything else interesting that can be done after the little stun?

Thank you ^^


Honeythief

 

[Dv8tor]

Forward smash or tilt? I like using the tilt personally but if they still are in range then you might be able to get a down smash off.

 

[Pyronic_Star]

can wolf dacus without the z button being pressed? i know wario, snake, and i believe falco can

also, does wolf have any move that are useful for b-reversal?

 

[Dv8tor]

First off you can change your controls, I use the R button for my grabs which means I use it instead of Z to DAC. Second, the B reversal is only for neutral B, which means blaster only. You can B reversal the blaster to change momentum.

 

[Ishiey]

Shine to jab is a combo if they are in range. Blaster is useful for b-reversal. Wolf can DACUS without pressing Z.

 

[*PALADIN*]

hey guys i just now picked up wolf and i heard somthing about wolf getting chain grabed by Pika, is that true? if so, how bad percentage wise? dont mean to be a noob at wolf here just trying to learn.

dont mean to mess your disscusion on a different topic.

 

[tekkie]

How fast is the button combination for item boosting? Like, DACUS but really **** fast or something? I keep trying it, but nothing's happening.

 

[SelfPossessed]

On Pikachu's Chaingrabs:
0 to 115 + regrab. Source: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225783

On DACIT:
Make sure Wolf is running before you start the DACIT. If you start it too early, he'll throw the item downwards. Aside from waiting for the run, the timing is the same.

 

[topiser]

I just stumbled upon vanish (side b-in case i got the name wrong ) canceling and was wondering if there is any real use to it?

 

[MidnightAsaph]

I just stumbled upon vanish (side b-in case i got the name wrong ) canceling and was wondering if there is any real use to it?

I assume you're talking about semi-/scarring? *Side b is called Wolf flash for future reference*

Or are you talking about light-stepping?

 

[tedeth]

I think he means flash cancelling.

If you time it correctly you can get alot of extra lateral distance from the side b. Definitely useful if you can do it consistantly.

 

[MidnightAsaph]

Well, if it is that, I honestly don't find any use, and neither do I see it being used. I myself have started to find the timing, because I'm so amazing (in other words, I jam the B button like a maniac). But I don't find any point in it other than it looking cool.

 

[tedeth]

I dont see how you can say it's completely useless. In some situations it could mean the difference between getting edgehogged and making it back onstage. If you're not good at it then it might be a bit reckless because wrong timing could give you the **** cancel that IS useless, but when done properly it increases lateral recovery substantially.

 

[SelfPossessed]

Flash canceling can be useful, but it's rather situational. Here's a few situations off the top of my head.
1) Assuming good DI, if the opponent knocks you off stage and then follows you off stage for the gimp, you can DJ (possibly with Shine) -> Flash cancel onto the stage.
2) Start a side B when above the ledge. Use the short flash cancel to grab the ledge or the long flash cancel to get onto the stage (preferably onto a platform).
3) SH Bair -> DJ Shine -> Flash cancel escape.

If only you could gain control of Wolf right after a cancel...imagine flash cancel wavedashes. o_O Wolf would be broken then. Ah well.

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Couple of questions.

1) Can Wolf do a boost Pivot Grab like Falco can? If so, is there any combo potential, perhaps after a grab release on certain characters? Maybe we can buffer the boosted Pivot Grab?

2) I asked this before but, has anyone tried experimenting with footstool combos? Wolf unfortunately lacks good vertical momentum stopping moves, the only two being up B and side B. I can hit with side B after an aerial footstool (not sure if it's guaranteed), but the damage is pitiful and I can get punished right after. Maybe there's a possibility dealing with footstool -> fire bouncing?

3) Has anyone tried looking for Dair combos? It has a good chunk of hitstun at certain percents. I think Captain Falcon's Dair has somewhat similar hitstun, and he has a Dair -> Footstool -> (finish combo) at 65%. That's a stock. Unfortunately, Wolf's doesn't seem to AC like Falcon's...

4) What kind of shield pressure game does Wolf have aside from Bair? The only time I've seen shields get small is against defensive opponents like Snake and D3 if they shield the Bairs overzealously. Is there anything else Wolf can do here? He seems to lack good multihit moves, a good poke move with IASA frames, a move that really depletes shield, and a way to seriously punish a shield break.

5) Why did the weekly move discussion die? Other boards are doing something similar and I think every bit helps. I really wish that threads like it (such as matchups and zones) had a separate thread for each though...

 

[castorpollux]

flash cancelling is very very useful. If i can flash cancel consistently, a whole world of options open up. My wolf would be a really really annoying camper against some characters like d3.

I mean... can't u immagine? Blastering D3 until he gets near u, then u jumpshine -> long flash cancel? THat's awesome!

 

[SelfPossessed]

Another question in addition to the last 5 I asked.

6) How useful is the retreating pivot grab? According to the testers, he slides as far as his initial dash animation. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=231916

 

[topiser]

flash cancelling is very very useful. If i can flash cancel consistently, a whole world of options open up. My wolf would be a really really annoying camper against some characters like d3.

I mean... can't u immagine? Blastering D3 until he gets near u, then u jumpshine -> long flash cancel? THat's awesome!

Well I doubt it would be hard to learn as like in 10 minutes of training I got either short or long flash cancel 9/10 times. Hardest part would be from not doing a short cancel but you could do mind games and switch it up.
But I'm not sure exactly how well the tactic would work overall( but it does sound great in theory) Anyways thanks for all the responses

 

[SelfPossessed]

7th and 8th question, in addition to the 6 I've asked already but haven't been answered.

7) I read somewhere that when someone uses an AD and lands from a low altitude, he receives 0 frames of landing lag. Is this true? I thought any landing of any height caused 2-3 frames of lag.

8) Does Wolf's Fair outrange MK's Fair, or must we just get lucky and hit inbetween his Fair strikes?

 

[Ishiey]

Blastering D3 until he gets near u, then u jumpshine -> long flash cancel? THat's awesome!

This sounds like fun. You can SH shine then sideB (full) on BF to the opposite low platform, and if you're closer to the ledge you can FH shine then sideB to the top platform, without much lag. I'm going to try this out tomorrow, it sounds like a fun way to stall.

EDIT @ SelfPosessed: I think that landing lag is the same no matter what, or else there would be a lot more people SHADing and all.

 

[castorpollux]

yeah landing lag is the same no matter what... except in a few special cases such as DK which actually can reduce startup lag on utilt and dsmash

 

[Ishiey]

^ How does that thing with DK work?

And about what I said the post before, against Atomsk today I did significantly better by being gay on BF and using FH shine > sideB to a platform. This actually works well enough, it's gay, but it works.

 

[MidnightAsaph]

What's the point of jump shining? What makes it different from anything else and why?

I've seen this mentioned a lot, and I guess I know what it is, but... Why?

 

[smashkng]

Is that right that Wolf Illusion ledge cancel doesn't work in PAL?

 

[castorpollux]

What's the point of jump shining? What makes it different from anything else and why?

I've seen this mentioned a lot, and I guess I know what it is, but... Why?

1) it stops all aerial approaches
2) it's a great way to escape being pressured

u know the standard lucario approach? the fair -> dair. Jumpshine OOS obliterates that approach entirely.

 

[Dv8tor]

Shine is amazing, it stops everything! I kind of find it to be a different play style for myself. I like to move into shining a lot, then waiting for the right opening to dsmash or something else.