#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
TBH, pictochat is just my favorite stage with falco.
It should definately be up there in CPs.
Too bad it's banned in holland
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It should definately be up there in CPs.
Too bad it's banned in holland
shadownoss45
Smash Cadet
marth isnt that good on wifi so any1 else?
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
Wifi >_> . . . . Ike?
Zesty_Chicken
Smash Cadet
Wario, D3, DK, and G&W (though you have to be careful with phantasms and lazers around him).
Wario can go after your opponents while you sit back and camp. Wario's DI makes him very able to dodge lazers.
D3 has good spacing and can camp nearly as well as you can.
DK goes good with Falco because it's nearly impossible to kill him with any of your moves. And he's got a pretty good close range game.
G&W and Falco rack up damage really quickly, and G&W supplies the killing power that Falco lacks. And you can give G&W Oil Panic easily. The only problem here is that G&W is easy to kill.
Wario can go after your opponents while you sit back and camp. Wario's DI makes him very able to dodge lazers.
D3 has good spacing and can camp nearly as well as you can.
DK goes good with Falco because it's nearly impossible to kill him with any of your moves. And he's got a pretty good close range game.
G&W and Falco rack up damage really quickly, and G&W supplies the killing power that Falco lacks. And you can give G&W Oil Panic easily. The only problem here is that G&W is easy to kill.
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
Marth is amazing on Wifi. Just spam SideB all match and kill with UpB.
Mix in some unpunishable Dtilts, spazzy Fairs and Fsmash, and you've got yourself a Wifi character.
Mix in some unpunishable Dtilts, spazzy Fairs and Fsmash, and you've got yourself a Wifi character.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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Why are you talking about Double partners? I thought his question was a secondary for Falco o.o
To me, Falco does fine on his own and doesn't need anyone for a secondary pretty much. The only one you want it for is ICs. Falco goes pretty even with the entire cast, but ICs give him a hard counter.
G&W gives the ICs a lot of problems according to them.
Viperdev
Smash Apprentice
whats a gatlin combo?
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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Gatling combo is the act of hitting with a dash attack and than immediatly connecting with an UpSmash.
Although the dash attack gets cancelled midstride and goes straight into the upsmash.
So pretty much you run into the opponent, hitting with the very beginnng frames of the dash attack and input the command for an upsmash (typically up on the c-stick). The dash attack will end right there and you will attack them with an upsmash. Does 22% of damage fresh.
Oreos
Smash Apprentice
Emperor Time
Smash Lord
So, I was playing my bud just now...
And my phantasm canceled on one of the platforms on PS1
I didn't input anything and the animation was too short, so it must be something idfferent.
Then again, this was wi-fi....anyone willing to shed some light?
And my phantasm canceled on one of the platforms on PS1
I didn't input anything and the animation was too short, so it must be something idfferent.
Then again, this was wi-fi....anyone willing to shed some light?
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
Maybe this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-AtpbOzPZI&feature=channel_page
after the initial combo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-AtpbOzPZI&feature=channel_page
after the initial combo.
FU^InSmash
Smash Cadet
help
how can you go from you dash attack into a up smash?? when i do it Falco just slides across and does an up smash. he never does the dash attack. please help.
how can you go from you dash attack into a up smash?? when i do it Falco just slides across and does an up smash. he never does the dash attack. please help.
FU^InSmash
Smash Cadet
how can you go from you dash attack into a up smash?? when i do it Falco just slides across and does an up smash. he never does the dash attack. please help.
Denzi
Smash Master
You start by not double posting.
Basically, you hit with the dash attack and then quickly upsmash (you HAVE to hit someone for it to work).
Most people use Dash -> C-stick down -> Up + Z.
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
I've actually had the dash attack come out before the Usmash without hitting somebody before, but you need to have really bad timing for it and it won't slide as far.
Denzi
Smash Master
The actual attack? You mean with a hitbox and everything? Because I've heard the Dash Attack sound and then Usmashed, but I've never done a full Gatling without hitting anyone.
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
Well, I don't know if the hit box came out since I didn't hit anything, but I've seen him go into the beginning parts of the Dash attack and have it canceled with the Usmash. By beginning I mean very beginning, like before he extends his leg out to hit (which I guess means the hitbox didn't come out then).
Denzi
Smash Master
yeah, I know what you're talking about then. But since the hitbox wasn't out it technically wasn't a Gatling Combo so I'm still right =P
Oreos
Smash Apprentice
Are you better off turning tap jump off for a boost smash so you can hold up or does it not really matter? Everytime i tried with TP on i would jump and air dodge so does that mean im timimng it wrong with TP on? Was wondering because i can do the boost smash without tap jump but does it hamper falco's game in other ways? On the marth boards they say don't turn off tap jump and learn how to u-air without jumping i was wondering if falco shouldn't turn off tap jump aswell.
You can Boost Smash fine with TJ on, which also allows for things like Usmash OoS to be done more easily. You just have to get the timing down, it's more strict with TJ on.
Really, it's more down to personal preference.
With Falco, I personally turn Tap Jump off, I actually don't know why. Still, I find Usmash and Bair OoS easier with X/Y anyway.
Really, it's more down to personal preference.
With Falco, I personally turn Tap Jump off, I actually don't know why. Still, I find Usmash and Bair OoS easier with X/Y anyway.
You just gotta learn to relax lol.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I just never see the opportunity to boost smash, that being said I mostly fight a marth and G&W (kaak, best GW of europe 0_o)
**** I hate turtles
**** I hate turtles
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
Do you do lasers > boost smash in practice? That maybe your problem. Just remember to press forward first?
Denzi
Smash Master
If you're playing a GnW you could try baiting the bucket with lasers and then Boost Smashing for the kill.
Emperor Time
Smash Lord
Yeah, I think so. I didn't know you could do it on platforms o_o
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
He won't fall for that, he just eats/powershields lasers and only uses bucket on safe distances.
My grab game gets beat by a well spaced turtle
My ground game gets beat by a turtle
My air game gets beat by a turtle
My off-stage game gets beat by a turtle
My recovery gets beat by a turtle
My long range game gets beat by powershielding
I just can't see what falco has on GW
Beetle Juice
Smash Journeyman
Shine>turtle
You going to have to fight G&W midrange and bait the turtle. The move may be fast but you can see it coming and when you do space lasers it only takes one laser to mess up his arial approach since he will be facing your direction. Dairs can be avoid from the ground and can be shield before he does another move I usually wait till they land.
On CQC G&W has jab and d tilt, he won't try to grab without a jab or shieldgrab since his grab range suck. Falco's jab stops him from trying to jumping into the air and unless they up B.
Basically G&W isn't as hard of a match up as it use to be.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
As soon as he gets me offstage im pretty much dead, surviving his gimps is nigh possible.
on CQC G&W has his smashes, bair is pretty good to keep enemies from coming too close too.
It's still hard to shine correctly :/
Denzi
Smash Master
Recovering high when possible will prevent that from happening as often (don't do it all the time though).
Honestly, you shouldn't be getting hit with any of his smashes unless you do something wrong (or fail to tech a ddthrow). They're all pretty easy to see coming, just shield them and punish.
Shine you just have to work on.
Emperor Time
Smash Lord
What stages should we use vs G&W?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Recovering high wont change a thing, the only difference will be that I will eat an usmash instead of a fsmash (when on to the stage) or a bair (when towards the ledge/stage)
Yeah, I shouldn't get hit by smashes, still Bair is a problem.
Imagine I'm popping some lasers and hes close enough to bair, I jump backwards and try to shine. At this point he can jump again, completely avoiding the shine and getting a full bair on me or nair. I can substitute the shine for a laser but the exact same thing can happen.
I think the G&W matchup is all about spacing. Do midrange SHL to keep him at bay and follow up when he gets hit. G&W's Dair isn't a problem for me. Most of the time I bait the Dair and punish with a Fsmash or Bair.
Against Turtles, I usually just shield and roll away.
Against Turtles, I usually just shield and roll away.
Beetle Juice
Smash Journeyman
Smashes are pretty slow and you can't be scared to spot dodge (never spot dodge vs G&W) jabs can hold him down in CQC and bait turtles and when seen coming laser him. Falco can do a lot of damage to G&W up close use lasers sparingly as penetration
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
I've found the most important thing for me when playing against GW is to learn to tech the Dthrow. A really good local GW player told me that the timing is right when you're going to reach GW's hand, so that might help some of you guys. I think you just have to learn to get inside of GW since Falco's Jab and close up game is significantly better than his.
Today I did this on a GW wifi:
GW <5%, I Chain Grabbed 3 times. After the third Dthrow, I predicted that he would Up-B so I jumped and lasered. The trampoline pushed me up with GW and away at the same time so I ended up nailing him with like 4 or 5 lasers while rising and falling. Granted, it was wifi, but it was a really good connection and if felt relatively lagless and latency-less. I don't think the lack of lag would change anything anyway. I think it's a pretty good option to have. You should be able to laser him before he Fairs or Nairs in case he doesn't UpB.
Today I did this on a GW wifi:
GW <5%, I Chain Grabbed 3 times. After the third Dthrow, I predicted that he would Up-B so I jumped and lasered. The trampoline pushed me up with GW and away at the same time so I ended up nailing him with like 4 or 5 lasers while rising and falling. Granted, it was wifi, but it was a really good connection and if felt relatively lagless and latency-less. I don't think the lack of lag would change anything anyway. I think it's a pretty good option to have. You should be able to laser him before he Fairs or Nairs in case he doesn't UpB.
The timing of the tech isn't so hard when you get used to it. Don't be predictable on the tech tough. If you keep tech rolling in the same direction, G&W can easily get a free upsmash on you which is an early kill at 80%+.
FU^InSmash
Smash Cadet
dude whenever he goes to back air just roll to the other side then you have plenty of time to attack him. or in the air you stay lower then when he goes to turtle you you jump above him and then dair. i did it to my friends GW all the time. also when your off the edge you should be able to get on easy with falco. just over b at the right times. and when GW tries to recover figure out the spacing and be above him and spike him. then when he tries to sweetspot the ledge you grab the ledge from him. GW is easy to edge guard when he goes to sweet spot the ledge.
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
. . . .
GW can turtle forwards and then pull back meaning you'd roll right into it. I don't know. It just sounds like your friend is a really bad GW. He's one of the hardest characters to gimp in the game.
GW can turtle forwards and then pull back meaning you'd roll right into it. I don't know. It just sounds like your friend is a really bad GW. He's one of the hardest characters to gimp in the game.