ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Ok I just tested this
Marth CAN do the Fthrowx3 -> Tipper Fsmash aganist Charizard
That's another victim
Marth CAN do the Fthrowx3 -> Tipper Fsmash aganist Charizard
That's another victim
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ANd how did you test this?
I could be wrong, I've personally never tested it in depth; but I never pull it off in match... Zard's still in the air when his hit stun ends... IIRC
I could be wrong, I've personally never tested it in depth; but I never pull it off in match... Zard's still in the air when his hit stun ends... IIRC
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Well..pretty much I just went to practice and did it
Although I have to see how it works in a match if it's the same =/
Although I have to see how it works in a match if it's the same =/
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
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Lord Chair
Smash Master
You're kidding right?
Everyone pummels
Everyone pummels
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Don't overdo it or they break out.And don't forget to pummel.
No one pummels these days
Or ground break (for MK).
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Just MK? Works fine on quite a lot of other characters. No guaranteed BS of course, but maximum amount of pummels + possible follow-up with Marth being in the advantage > a throw without any decent follow-up whatsoever. At higher percentages that is.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
MK was just the first that came to mind, there are others, for example, wario is another big name you wanna air release (for follow-ups). Squirtle is another air release character (0-death).
There are a couple of others, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Was more or less aiming at ground releases, air releases are common sense.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Well, since you sort of said, "just mk", so I wanted to give a more complete picture.
The thing with letting them ground break is that the result is neutral and you end up with bad spacing, so it's preferable to pummel a bit and then throw.
Up-throw is usually good to set up for juggle traps and d-throw or f-throw can set up for edge-guarding. Against most characters, I'd throw, after some pummels of course, depending the percent.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Well, forcing a ground release gives your opponent 2 actual options:
- Going offensive
- Going defensive
Only faster characters can get away with going offensive, but against characters like G&W (who doesn't really have an offensive panic button) you can expect a defensive stance to set up.
Then Marth has the options:
Dtilt
DB
DS (lol)
Regrab
If you get your opponent to be defensive after they've been ground released, you're in a major advantage.
In my case, ground releases pay off.
Just my 2 cents.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
And what if they SH?
You're in perfect spacing for a SH'd aerial and can't really abuse spacing to avoid it. Sure you have anti-aerial options, but committing to pretty much any of them guarantees getting punished if they just attack out of SH for quite a few characters, and everyone else can punish you if they SH backwards from all those options. Basically, it's a guess game, and if you guess when, you take damage, you've got far more abusive positions.
Juggle trap is much safer for example.
HadesBlaze
Smash Rookie
Have any tips on speeding up my Marth.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Play Melee.
Reizilla
The Old Lapras and the Sea
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start fast falling nearly everything. some characters though, it's ok to play slow against.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Pikachu's Dsmash, which way do you DI? Up and out or down and tech it?
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
DI up and out..better chance that way
Kishin
Smash Ace
How do I DI against R.O.B.'s D-smash.
I would think the same way you DI out of Pikachu's d-smash. I don't have a working Wii at the moment, so I can't actually test this myself, but try to DI upward. If that doesn't work, upward at an angle away from R.O.B. Good luck.
I have a question myself, if anybody can help me out. I've been using Marth for some time now and I recently fought a Zelda. How do I deal with her? Also, how do I deal with projectile? I tried my best to space myself from her, but it was a bit difficult.
Dash, "ping", PS/shield
SHFF fair
Win.
Spacing Zelda is easy when fair out ranges her ground game except for ftilt/fsmash/dash attack.
Fsmash being dealt with by patience/nair/grounded move.
Dash attack or some sort of aerial counter from zelda... is really just about timing & spacing better.
IF you're getting hit by the smashes or dtilt often you aren't spacing yourself.
Don't try to challenge her sh nairs or her 'potential' fairs or bairs if she's already in your face, just pivot foxtrot away and dancing blade/fair counter.
SHFF fair
Win.
Spacing Zelda is easy when fair out ranges her ground game except for ftilt/fsmash/dash attack.
Fsmash being dealt with by patience/nair/grounded move.
Dash attack or some sort of aerial counter from zelda... is really just about timing & spacing better.
IF you're getting hit by the smashes or dtilt often you aren't spacing yourself.
Don't try to challenge her sh nairs or her 'potential' fairs or bairs if she's already in your face, just pivot foxtrot away and dancing blade/fair counter.
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Ping? Whats dat.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Falco SHDLs *PING*PING*
TL SHDAs *PING*PING*
Ike spams courch-cancelled jab *PING*PING* *PING*PING*PING*
Got it?
Thanks for the advice. Her Din's Fire seems to get to me as well, but I suppose I should figure a way around that myself. By the way, does SH > nair > Grab > f-throw > f-smash still work? Or is it only for Melee?
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Lol I got it.
@Uffe nah that wouldn't work anymore
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Kishin
Smash Ace
Grab release -> regrab on metaknight is a true combo yes?
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
No.
Grab release to fair/nair/dair/dolphin slash/first two hits of dancing blade is.
Grab release to fair/nair/dair/dolphin slash/first two hits of dancing blade is.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Would Meta Knight be broken if that was a true combo? No, sir.
I think it may be actually if you shield grab, but you have to be frame perfect.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Vids or it didn't happen.
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Whoa, if that's true, then that'd be totally cool!
Well either way, if you do the regrab perfectly, it still may be very hard for the MK to escape... Mikehaze regrabs quite a lot.
Well either way, if you do the regrab perfectly, it still may be very hard for the MK to escape... Mikehaze regrabs quite a lot.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Enough said.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Thing is, I've tested it a few times in training mode. Far left side of FD, 35%, 1 pummel, grab released, buffer dash grab, pummel, and it shows up as consecutive hits. I mean, on FD, you could chain grab release meta knight to the ledge and finish with a grab release D-air. The timing is difficult to pull off constantly but it's not as hard people make it out to be(thought, pressure is another thing though...). Just takes practice I suppose.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Training mode has an issue with that. Falcon boards actually noticed that it occasionally listed consecutive hits AFTER the opponent airdodged. I'm not exactly sure of the situation, but I think it counts hitstun stage 2 as a combo, even though you can airdodge out of it.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Well, I have no idea if I can call the lag meta knight gets on a grab release hit stun though.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Vids or it didn't happen.
Thunder stop spamming.
Kishin:
Training mode lies, it does that with a few things. It doesn't actually combo.
Kishin:
Training mode lies, it does that with a few things. It doesn't actually combo.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Well, I don't have the equipment necessary to record videos but it's easily testable for yourselves.
I'm not willing to give up on this until there's proof of it not working.
Been trying to test this out to the best of my ability and it's shown no signs of failing. I could possibly test this out more accurately with some friends on Saturday though.
I'm not willing to give up on this until there's proof of it not working.
Been trying to test this out to the best of my ability and it's shown no signs of failing. I could possibly test this out more accurately with some friends on Saturday though.
Minish Blade
Smash Cadet
Can you DI out of Snake's jab combo, I'm consistently getting hit with this move >.
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GreyClover
Smash Apprentice
Yes. If you DI into Snake and you'll end up behind him.Can you DI out of Snake's jab combo, I'm consistently getting hit with this move >