Komotonoto
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I have a question, does Stark King lag? I think all answers should point to yes..
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Tom Bombadil
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I'm trying to work on my platform game. If I want to do an aerial right above a platform and then fall through the platform and aerial, should I still be shield dropping? Maybe 'should' is the wrong word because I think technically there's no reason to not shield drop. So I guess my question is, is the extra complication of shield dropping versus just holding down worth it?
KnitePhox
Smash Lord
yes u should sheild drop
as u zcancel still hold z and tap down to incorporate both actions into one motion
rustyw
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What Knitephox said. Look at this combo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUKIqnz6-4w&feature=youtu.be&t=34s
Tom Bombadil
Smash Journeyman
... Where the hell has this been my whole life. Thanks man, apparently I should have scoured the webs harder.
MrMarbles
Smash Lord
what exactly does shield dropping do? do u fall thru faster?
Cobrevolution
Smash Master
yes, i believe so. also check if you can regular drop through in the middle of a dash.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
shield dropping makes it easier to drop though and is faster than just normally doing it
2 frames faster + no risk of crouching
2 frames faster + no risk of crouching
MrMarbles
Smash Lord
cool thanks for the info i will have to get in the habit of doing it
B Link
Smash Lord
Also, dash -> drop aerial is too slow, whereas dash -> shield drop aerial is fast.
In my experience, you should keep both of them as options and use both depending on the game situation.
In my experience, you should keep both of them as options and use both depending on the game situation.
Ok, so how does everyone do small jump + UAIR without wasting the second jump? I can do it sometimes, but whenever I'm excited I slam that up and waste the second jump every time. Is there a trick or do you just have to practice moving the joystick only 20% there? Same with utilt I am jumping a lot more than I should be trying to do it ...
Cobrevolution
Smash Master
this
when i do sh uair dair with luigi, for instance, i sh -> input the dair -> immediately move the stick to uair position -> hit a to uair. really tilt that stick for sh uairs. for uair chains, though, i've taken to just using the control stick to jump the first time so i already have the direction in place and hit a, thus preventing the second jump from coming out. just practice sh uairs in matches constantly until it's second nature!
Wow so all these people are just that good at not pressing all the way up on the stick? Because it seems like there are 0% errors with accidently jumping... crazy
Ok and for Z cancel....
Sometimes I end up with a shield on and try to sprint and end up rolling. I'm guessing I hit z too late... BUT other times, especially if I land a hit, Z cancel doesn't work at all. For example pikachu landing a fair, do you NEED to hit Z the moment before hitting the ground but after you land the move? I always seem to miss z cancel in this situation...
Ok and for Z cancel....
Sometimes I end up with a shield on and try to sprint and end up rolling. I'm guessing I hit z too late... BUT other times, especially if I land a hit, Z cancel doesn't work at all. For example pikachu landing a fair, do you NEED to hit Z the moment before hitting the ground but after you land the move? I always seem to miss z cancel in this situation...
clubbadubba
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I do this almost every time with captain falcon, and I must say it is an awful habit. It is basically reducing your error in exchange for potentially worse combo's because in some situations you are better served with a button full hop. Its not that big of a deal, but both of us would be better if we stopped doing it lol. I'm going to start stopping that TODAY.
@camaroqqq, tilting the stick isn't all that hard. Once you get used to it you'll actually feel like you have a **** ton of room for error. As far as Zcancelling, if you shield after you land that means that you are holding down the z-button. All you need to do is tap it, then let go and you won't shield. With regards to z-cancelling when you land a hit (like during pika's fair), the only thing that matters is the number of frames between when you tap z and when you land. So you can tap z, land some more hits, and then land, and if the maximum number of frames haven't passed since you pressed z, you will z-cancel. The issue when you land hits is that it produces hitlag, which changes the timing for your landing. Usually you will be in the air longer if you hit someone, so you probably end up pressing it too early when that happens.
Should It really matter if you want a full jump anyway? I just cant small hop with my joystick...so only way is a c tap. I tend to use the joystick as the first jump for falcon when there is no need for a small hop.
But getting down the shop and uair without wasting second jump would help a lot...especially when landing a falcon throw with them at 0%
clubbadubba
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A stick full hop and a button full hop are different heights. Stick is slightly higher. It doesn't matter in most cases, and probably doesn't make enough difference for you to worry about it yet. It can be the difference between a 100% combo and a death combo in certain situations though.
Konotomoto
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Sup guys, I'm new to smash boards, so I heard clubba got butthurt recently.>>>
Best 2nd post, EVER
clubbadubba
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Just uh, don't do it again please.
Konotomoto
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MrMarbles
Smash Lord
Wow so all these people are just that good at not pressing all the way up on the stick? Because it seems like there are 0% errors with accidently jumping... crazy
Ok and for Z cancel....
Sometimes I end up with a shield on and try to sprint and end up rolling. I'm guessing I hit z too late... BUT other times, especially if I land a hit, Z cancel doesn't work at all. For example pikachu landing a fair, do you NEED to hit Z the moment before hitting the ground but after you land the move? I always seem to miss z cancel in this situation...
when i am gonna do a short hop uair i always buffer the joystick upwards before i even jump. when u push the joystick up right as u attack its easy to get excited and push too hard causing u to use your second jump, but when u push up BEFORE the c button jump its easy to push up the joystick slowly. BTW u dont need hold the joystick at 20%, as long as u push up slowly on it u wont jump. As for Z cancel, if u see that u actually hit your opponent that obviously messes up the timing for when to press Z so i usually rapidly press Z in this situation until u hit the groud, however that may cause your sheild to come out but its still a pretty decent solution until you have the timing down.Ok and for Z cancel....
Sometimes I end up with a shield on and try to sprint and end up rolling. I'm guessing I hit z too late... BUT other times, especially if I land a hit, Z cancel doesn't work at all. For example pikachu landing a fair, do you NEED to hit Z the moment before hitting the ground but after you land the move? I always seem to miss z cancel in this situation...
MrMarbles
Smash Lord
oops the reply function didnt work properly, but that message was to camaroqqq and the indented area is his quote
mixa
Banned via Warnings
I don't aerial shield drop much because I mostly end up rolling or grabbing (hookshot kills me) and can't seem to improve on that.
So to my miserable tech skill, those 2 frames are almost irrelevant because my human lag is already high enough.
So to my miserable tech skill, those 2 frames are almost irrelevant because my human lag is already high enough.
Sangoku
Smash Master
From The Thread Nobody Reads:
3.3.2 To perform a Uair without jumping, there are several cases.
---On keyboard, your only possibility (except from buffering) is pressing up and "A" on the exact same frame.
---On controller you have the following possibilies:
------ you buffer up.
------ you smash quick enough (full tilt between two frames), then it's a keyboard situation, ie 1 frame.
------ you don't smash quick enough (which is more reasonable) and then again there's two situations:
--------- you catch it half-way, meaning you're pressing "A" while your joystick is moving up, and the press corresponds to when your joystick is tilted from 20 to 53.
--------- at one frame, you're at <53 (ie no jump), then the next frame you've pushed to >53 AND pressed "A" at the same time. Then it's again a keyboard situation.
--------- you don't smash at all, but rather lightly tilt the joystick so it ends up getting in the wanted range (20-53) then press "A"
Concretely, on controller there are 3 options. Sometimes buffering is good (Mario bros. short hop double aerial is an example), otherwise, lightly tilt and catching half-way. The latter is probably better, because it can be faster.
3.3.2 To perform a Uair without jumping, there are several cases.
---On keyboard, your only possibility (except from buffering) is pressing up and "A" on the exact same frame.
---On controller you have the following possibilies:
------ you buffer up.
------ you smash quick enough (full tilt between two frames), then it's a keyboard situation, ie 1 frame.
------ you don't smash quick enough (which is more reasonable) and then again there's two situations:
--------- you catch it half-way, meaning you're pressing "A" while your joystick is moving up, and the press corresponds to when your joystick is tilted from 20 to 53.
--------- at one frame, you're at <53 (ie no jump), then the next frame you've pushed to >53 AND pressed "A" at the same time. Then it's again a keyboard situation.
--------- you don't smash at all, but rather lightly tilt the joystick so it ends up getting in the wanted range (20-53) then press "A"
Concretely, on controller there are 3 options. Sometimes buffering is good (Mario bros. short hop double aerial is an example), otherwise, lightly tilt and catching half-way. The latter is probably better, because it can be faster.
Tom Bombadil
Smash Journeyman
- Stand on the top platform of DL
- Run off without jumping and do an upair so you land on a side platform
- Run off side platform and uair without jumping so you land on the ground
- Repeat
After you do this for awhile, you won't ever worry about wasting your second jump. You can also do this with dairs to break the habit of accidentally fastfalling.
- Run off without jumping and do an upair so you land on a side platform
- Run off side platform and uair without jumping so you land on the ground
- Repeat
After you do this for awhile, you won't ever worry about wasting your second jump. You can also do this with dairs to break the habit of accidentally fastfalling.
Thanks a bunch. You have a link to this thread? Seems like there is some good info there
Good idea, I'll practice some... Just so easy to get excited in this game lol
clubbadubba
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you are a genious. I need to do this ****.
Amen to that. Good stuff dude.
Cobrevolution
Smash Master
i actually don't do it ALL of the time, i dunno why i worded it that way. but i do it for a running uair, for instance, more often than not. sh uairs i still use cdown, and occasionally i'll try for the control stick sh. shrug. if i could play these days i WOULD TRY. i'll see how my falcon game develops.
no exaggeration that happens to me 90% of the time when i play online because of the delay. it's the absolutel worst. it only works if they jump into my grapple beam. then it's worth it. otherwise, FAAACK
Tom Bombadil
Smash Journeyman
Ehhh, I can't take credit. King Funk taught me it. SK was there. It's solid though
Han Solo
Banned via Warnings
Why can't Fox sweet spot the ledge?
asianaussie
Smash Hero
because fox is a terrible character inferior to samus
mixa
Banned via Warnings
I still want to know where their smashboards is
rawrimamonster
Smash Ace
Does anyone have the hitbox gifs for pikachu's uair and bair? I'd greatly appreciate posting them.
Sedda
Smash Champion
Do you guys tap Z twice a lot if you're not sure an aerial is going to hit or do you just adjust your timing by reaction every time?
rawrimamonster
Smash Ace
It's just finger memory for me, I can adjust but I dont really notice, I just apply it from being so experienced at the game.
mixa
Banned via Warnings
here you go: http://smashboards.com/threads/character-hitboxes-new-table-format.276826/page-13
Idk, man. The only time I'm actively thinking about the z-cancel is when I fair chain with Ness, and I hope it goes away lol.
And I hit Z multiple times with Link's Dair and because that bouncing **** is hard.
But the rest is automatic. I just press it once at the right time.