Approximate U-throw KO %'s (Without DI) *UPDATED 8/24/08*

[Affinity]

I figured since MK's U-throw has KO potential it would be a good idea to know at what %'s it can kill.

After testing I came up with this:

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Heavy Weights
King Dedede -------------- 193%
Snake --------------------- 185%
Donkey Kong ------------- 184%
Ganondorf ---------------- 176%
Bowser -------------------- 176%

Medium Weights
Ike ------------------------- 175%
Captain Falcon ----------- 175%
Link ------------------------ 173%
Charizard ----------------- 170%
Wolf ----------------------- 170%
Wario --------------------- 170%
Yoshi ---------------------- 167%
Samus -------------------- 164%
Ivysaur ------------------- 164%
R.O.B. -------------------- 162%
Lucario ------------------- 161%
Sonic --------------------- 161%
Mario --------------------- 160%
Pit ------------------------ 160%
Luigi ---------------------- 159%
Marth -------------------- 157%
Diddy Kong--------------- 157%
Ness ---------------------- 156%
Toon Link ---------------- 155%
Lucas -------------------- 154%
Falco --------------------- 153%
Ice Climbers ------------- 152%
Peach -------------------- 149%

Light Weights
Olimar ------------------- 148%
Pikachu ------------------ 148%
Zero Suit Samus -------- 148%
Zelda -------------------- 146%
Sheik -------------------- 144%
Fox ---------------------- 143%
Kirby -------------------- 142%
Meta Knight ------------ 142%
Mr. Game & Watch ---- 136%
Squirtle ----------------- 135%
Jigglypuff --------------- 129%
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(All tests done from the middle of FD)

EDIT: Thanks to Mew2King for correcting me about differences between %'s in VS. mode and Practice mode; hence why the %'s are now approximate.


Just something to help the MK community; (I apologize if this has already been done).

-Affinity

 

[Clouderz]

hey thats actually pretty cool, nice job finding that stuff out, thx

 

[Sora Master2.0]

This will be helpful, but in limited situations. Still a nice guide.

 

[meta master]

no offense or anything but did you do this without stale moves?

 

[Doggalina]

If he did it in training, there aren't stale moves. Hopefully he did.

 

[Affinity]

If he did it in training, there aren't stale moves. Hopefully he did.

Yep, no stale move negation in Training mode.

 

[Terranrox]

Did you try with the comp lv.1 to get DI or did you do this without the effects of DI?

 

[Justaway]

im guessing this is without DI

 

[ShaolinAce]

Cool anything past 139% keep it in the back of your mind maybe throw an up throw. But if anyone can memorize all of them it will be devestating.

 

[Sino]

thx really helpfull

@ShaolinACe: nice ava :D

 

[Justaway]

it would be cool if someone testet out how much of a difference DI and smash DI does, percent-wise.

 

[Affinity]

Did you try with the comp lv.1 to get DI or did you do this without the effects of DI?

Without DI. I wanted to get the %'s that it CAN kill at.

 

[Terranrox]

Without DI. I wanted to get the %'s that it CAN kill at.

Thx... still useful nevertheless... do you intend to experiment with DI?

 

[Affinity]

Thx... still useful nevertheless... do you intend to experiment with DI?

Yeah. I'll get on it sometime this weekend.

 

[Rogue Pit]

Cool get me to 172% before you kill me +) Im happy with that

 

[DEV64]

sweet

sweet now if some keeps on blocking or doging your kills (not likly) then you uthrow them just for fun.XD

 

[Hype]

I'm surprsed Dedede is the hardest to kill with an Uthrow, him not being the Heavyest. I thought it would just be dependant on weight.

 

[nash123]

He is the heaviest.

 

[ckm]

someone needs to do this with battlefield (especially the top platform...)

 

[Kinzer]

^^^ I don't think too many people hang at the top platform in BF, but on the topic that is a nice reference.

 

[Crizthakidd]

i sort of have a picture what char dies at what %s with back n up throw if i used my downsmash and cant gimp or shuttle loop

best place to do it is like on the top platforms of smashville and BF

 

[t3h]

Usefull stuff, I would like to see how the platform on smashville will effect this

also @ nash123: bowser's the heaviest, Dedede is like 4th behind DK and snake (or so i believe)

 

[pridy]

D3 is not heaviest link is

 

[Affinity]

D3 is not heaviest link is

How is Link the heaviest?

 

[unit182]

^^^ I don't think too many people hang at the top platform in BF, but on the topic that is a nice reference.

actually, you can grab them under the platform, then u-throw and then you will get them on the platform

 

[Gates]

It's worth noting that platforms can take these % down by varying degrees (I believe the highest platform on Battlefield makes it about 20-30% less).

Great job Affinity. This is definitely going to be extremely useful.

 

[Mew2King]

MK up throw kills another MK at 142 in vs mode, not 153. Training mode is different than Vs mode, all moves are 5% weaker (in damage) and ~6% less in knockback based off kill %ages usually.

Jiggs and Snakes up throw do exactly 10.5 in Vs mode, and 10 in Training Mode

 

[Affinity]

MK up throw kills another MK at 142 in vs mode, not 153. Training mode is different than Vs mode, all moves are 5% weaker (in damage) and ~6% less in knockback based off kill %ages usually.

Jiggs and Snakes up throw do exactly 10.5 in Vs mode, and 10 in Training Mode

Alright, I'll update it.

 

[DEV64]

MK up throw kills another MK at 142 in vs mode, not 153. Training mode is different than Vs mode, all moves are 5% weaker (in damage) and ~6% less in knockback based off kill %ages usually.

Jiggs and Snakes up throw do exactly 10.5 in Vs mode, and 10 in Training Mode

**** M2K's smart as hell i new that they did less % and knockback in traing but he even figured the exact % in damage and knockback. where does he find the time to do this LOL.(that's why we love u M2K LOL.)props to u M2K for helping out all the smash commuity with your time and dedication to this game.

 

[DemonicTrilogy]

Affinity, do you think that you should make a category list based on weight so that you can put people in three categories and find an average kill percent for each of the categories (Light-weight, Medium-weight, and Heavy-weight) so that we have a slight idea on what percents we can estimate on for killing with Up throw. I find it a little difficult on finding this information useful if it is difficult to memorize the percents...

 

[Mew2King]

you should probably test like the up throw % for snake and DDD and jigglypuff and stuff manually, so that it's more accurate. It goes by 5%, but based on kill %s its more like 6% but it probably wasn't programmed like that. I'm sure it was programmed by exactly 5% difference, the kill %ages might vary. I suggest you test each of these, AT LEAST SNAKE, DDD, FALCO, WARIO, GW, ETC, THE TOP TIERS manually, as soon as you can, then update it.

edit - ive played brawl less than 200 hours combined since i got it when it came out, but i have to redo everything i did since my wii got stolen last week at smashtality 4

 

[Mew2King]

i up threw rob at 163 no DI he didn't die, and your list says 162 kills

your formula is wrong, those %s don't kill, it needs to be higher, that's why you should have done more tests like with Snake and DDD and some other commonly used characters







edit - I just up threw rob at 165......... no kill

 

[Affinity]

i up threw rob at 163 no DI he didn't die, and your list says 162 kills

your formula is wrong, those %s don't kill, it needs to be higher, that's why you should have done more tests like with Snake and DDD and some other commonly used characters

That's why they're now approximate. I've just been too busy to go through all the testing required.

 

[brinboy789]

a good MK's opponent shud never survive to over 150 O.o
and kos snake @ 185 :\ i was hoping less