APM of Smashers. July Update - The Fastest Peach

[RockCrock]

Yes, we have had a few tabulations of technical bursts:
Armada's float cancelled nairs, 940 APM

Sin's Captain Falcon Traditional Home Run Contest World Record, 390 APM

Silent Wolf's Zelghandi, fist falco clip, 495 APM

Silent Wolf's Silent Wolf, 374 APM

marth1's Captain Falcon No Bat Allowed Home Run Contest World Record, 324 APM



Triple Update:
Statistical Summary:

Fox: Five Entries. Average APM - 273*
A. Cactuar - 305*
B. Axe - 301*
C. Cactuar - 270
D. Jman - 263*
E. Zhu - 224

Falco: Two Entries. Average APM - 259
A. Zhu - 290
B. DaShizWiz - 228

Peach: One Entry. Average APM - 214
A. Pink Shinobi - 214

Samus: One Entry. Average APM - 214
A. Aftermath - 214

Falcon: Two Entries. Average APM - 200
A. Darkrain - 214
B. Isai - 185

Jigglypuff: One Entry. Average APM - 206
A. MaNg0 - 187 - 225

Sheik: One Entry. Average APM - 193
A. Kira - 193

Marth: Four Entries. Average APM - 160*
A. Mew2King - 178
B. Ken - 166
C. Taj - 155*
D. Mew2King - 139

* denotes potential outlier

Total Entries - 17
Average APM - 220

working on some lower-tiers atm.
will post about 4 or 5 in the coming days.

That was like a month ago, where are you Hazygoose?!

 

[KAOSTAR]

How come you didnt use any of silent wolfs matches in the fox category?

 

[RockCrock]

The numbers used for APM averages come from full matches played in a tournament setting. And while Silent Wolf's videos come from real matches, they are mostly highlights of segments which are particularly flashy, which would skew the data. If someone where to tabulate a full match of SW's, I would surely add it to the list.

 

[KAOSTAR]

ahhI see, cuz nobody has done it gotcha.

 

[hungrybox]

I want to see an APM of mine...

see how it compares to technical players

 

[Lovage]

i wanna see my apm!!!

where you at stab

 

[FBM]

Hmmm... I'm sure this will be shot down, but I think you are overvaluing the apm of certain actions when you look at what is taken into account for RTS apm.

RTS apm does not calculate every single keystroke, only the end action that may be the result of several of keystrokes. Things that do not count as actions include selecting units or selecting abilities (be it through hotkeys or the interface). So if you wanted to use a spell on a caster unit, you have to select the unit, press the hotkey or button for the spell you want to use, then target that spell, but this is only read by the game as one action, because you only issued 1 order for 3 button clicks (not to mention the aiming of the of spell).

Now for smash APM, you have wavedashes listed as 3 actions. While it does require 3 button inputs, I think wavedashing really only amounts to 1 action, as when the player does it, they are not thinking "jump->aim direction->airdodge," they are thinking "wavedash." A JC grab would be 1 action, as the player doesn't jump, then grab, you just JC grab (a shield grab would be two though, as you shield THEN grab for a reason).

I do think that some of the APM cheesing that RTS players do intentionally is lame - it's really their APM during battles, when they have to think critically, that's most telling.

 

[null55]

Mango has said he doesn't use the c-stick. sometimes for Puff u-airs or something.

so yeah. it's probably closer to 206.

 

[Aftermath]

FBM: The definitions of what constitutes an action has to be different from what it is in an RTS. In a RTS (well, starcraft), every race is on about an equal playing field for APM, and you can do multiple things at once. If you were to try to apply that to smash, it'd just be an ordered list of "which character is fastest?"

The other problem is that dashdancing would completely destroy the results. Dash dancing is quite likely to be faster than any other action you can do, so people who dash dance more will have a higher game-based APM even if their hand APM is identical to another player's.

 

[onedayafter7]

Id be curious to see what SS or Silent wolf has APM wise....

 

[forward]

Just wanted to inform you guys on the Taj APM. He doesn't use c-stick for aerials

 

[Peach Masta]

LoL why hasn't anyone done Silent Wolf/Eggz yet?

 

[Jihnsius]

This thread's been dead for a while.

Would be nice to see some new contributions.

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

Guys, it's not hard to do one on your own. A normal 4 minute match only takes about an hour or so to calculate APM, so if you're that curious go ahead and tabulate it yourself This is coming from someone who has done 2.

 

[Violence]

Since I believe that maximum APM(APM during fights) is more telling than an average APM, I think it's important to remember that when one character is recovering, the other one isn't doing all that much usually. However, in Starcraft, there's a constant macro upkeep that has to be done. The hands should never really stop moving.

That's why I think I'm going to try and figure out the APM of different scenes in Silent Wolf and Lovage's new tech skill vid.

 

[Jihnsius]

Since I believe that maximum APM(APM during fights) is more telling than an average APM, I think it's important to remember that when one character is recovering, the other one isn't doing all that much usually. However, in Starcraft, there's a constant macro upkeep that has to be done. The hands should never really stop moving.

That's why I think I'm going to try and figure out the APM of different scenes in Silent Wolf and Lovage's new tech skill vid.

This has been covered many times. It doesn't matter whatsoever. We can't come to an agreement on what counts and what doesn't - so we just agree to disagree. An action is any input by a player at any time that is noticeable. Doesn't matter if it's just showing off while the opponent is dying/respawning or even if the player is recovering and has less options to increase his APM. It all balances out in the end if the match is a good matchup. If it's not, and the recorded player ***** the opponent, we take this into consideration and make a note of it on the first post. If you disagree, make a side note in which you include all actions done to boost APM that weren't part of actual gameplay and then make two separate APMs at the end - one in combat only and one with APM boosts.

And yes, this is really simple to do, however you need to have a solid understanding of the character you're calculating the APM for. You need to know exactly what button presses are done for each technique. I usually watch in 3-5 second bursts, hit play, watch for a few seconds, hit pause, and write down every technique that took place in that clip. Then, I go back through and make sure I got it all right. After that, I calculate exactly how many actions it took to perform each technique and write that down next to the technique that was done. Factor in DI, SDI, and whether or not the player c-sticks. If you don't know whether or not the player c-sticks (or for what he c-sticks and what he doesn't c-stick), you do two takes - one counting c-sticks and one counting analog sticks. Note that this double take method wasn't done until the most recent, but I think it's fairly accurate to do two takes unless you know for a fact what the player you're tabulating uses.

All in all it can take anywhere from 30 minutes to 3 hours depending on the length of the match, the character, and the technicality of the player. Either way, it's a very interesting way to spend your time and will also teach you some stuff about Melee you didn't know, like frame timing on techniques, why certain players choose to do things, how certain combos work, etc.

 

[john!]

I might do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV3MvT6rfJc

or an Armada match.



edit: vanz your peach is f*cking ridiculous. i'm not even through the first minute yet. calm down son.

 

[john!]

Vanz's Peach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV3MvT6rfJc

After an hour and a half of watching the match at one sixth speed, here's what 
I got.  These are conservative estimates; Peach requires lots of subtle control 
stick movements, and Vanz may have performed additional inputs that were not 
detectable in the video.  In accordance with Peach's style, he performed very 
few wavedashes (around 10) and even fewer L-cancels (2).  He rarely got hit, so 
DI was hardly a factor, and I discounted mashing out of both grabs altogether 
(since that's not really precise input).

air/ground movement: 156
jump: 74
double jump: 13
float: 56
fast fall: 72
crouch: 2
L-cancel: 2

DI: 4
shield: 12
roll: 1
spot dodge: 3
air dodge: 17
tech:
tech roll:
from ledge: 6

jab: 5
dash attack: 2
ftilt:
utilt:
dtilt: 1
fsmash:
usmash:
dsmash: 7

nair: 33
fair:
bair: 5
uair: 1
dair:
floating fair: 4 * 2 = 8
floating bair: 12 * 2 = 24
floating uair: 4 * 2 = 8
floating dair: 2 * 2 = 4

neutral b:
side b:
up b: 1
down b: 17 * 2 = 34
throw turnip: 15

grab: 2
pummel: 1
throw: 2

[COLOR=Cyan][B][SIZE=3]total actions: 571
total time: 2:07
[/SIZE][SIZE=3]APM: 269.76[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

 

[Cia]

that's amazing! and this thread is amazing!

 

[Winston]

FBM: The definitions of what constitutes an action has to be different from what it is in an RTS. In a RTS (well, starcraft), every race is on about an equal playing field for APM, and you can do multiple things at once. If you were to try to apply that to smash, it'd just be an ordered list of "which character is fastest?"

The other problem is that dashdancing would completely destroy the results. Dash dancing is quite likely to be faster than any other action you can do, so people who dash dance more will have a higher game-based APM even if their hand APM is identical to another player's.

these are valid points, but in Starcraft these exact issues are present.
progamer Protosses usually have lower APM than players for the other two races, and Terrans usually have the highest.
Games in which Zerg players use Mutalisks heavily result in extremely high APM counts because of how Muta micro is done.

I mean, APM isn't supposed to mean a whole lot beyond it's face value anyway. It tells you exactly what it sounds like and nothing more - how many inputs you are making per minute. This is true in Starcraft too. A lot of the commands in the APM in SC are spam.

I don't even think dashdancing is as bad as you think. Something like doing a lot of aerials/shines (shield pressure, drillshining, etc.) or SHDL is almost certainly faster.

 

[Jihnsius]

I love you, Vanz.

Also, turnip throws out of shield count as two inputs since they can't be done with c-stick, just a friendly reminder.

 

[ConnorTheKid]

oh helllll no IM the fastest peach


/sick brag

 

[Tee ay eye]

has anyone done armada yet

 

[Cia]

<_<

thread title is hot.

i enjoyed it until got to last page

 

[Jihnsius]

Peach isn't that hard of a character to be fast with, it's just inefficient to play her that aggressively (on most of her matchups).

 

[_lemons]

Peach isn't that hard of a character to be fast with, it's just inefficient to play her that aggressively (on most of her matchups).

If it's easy to be fast with Peach, being the fastest Peach is quite the accomplishment, eh?

 

[KAOSTAR]

Since I believe that maximum APM(APM during fights) is more telling than an average APM, I think it's important to remember that when one character is recovering, the other one isn't doing all that much usually. However, in Starcraft, there's a constant macro upkeep that has to be done. The hands should never really stop moving.

That's why I think I'm going to try and figure out the APM of different scenes in Silent Wolf and Lovage's new tech skill vid.

make sure you use the scene transcript so you get it right.

i have a feeling it may be a bit difficult at times lol.

good luck

 

[Kason Birdman]

really ****ing cool thread.

sticky this thread.
good ****

 

[Silent Wolf]

ill probably do one for our vid, i think other people would miss certain things, no offense.

 

[SheerMadness]

Someone calculate one of DARK's matches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr4q9RbUzck

 

[Jihnsius]

Why request tabulations? Do it yourself.

 

[Hatacatan]

I finished counting the actions in a few Silent Wolf videos now. 
Some of the stuff was counted quite some time ago, and I got better at
 counting actions every time I tried it, so probably the newer ones are
 more reliable. OF COURSE I made mistakes. I don't know where they are,
 but it is rather impossible to do this without any mistake, so I am sure that
 I made mistakes, but the APMs should be roughly correct. If you think 
other matches would be more representative - count them yourself ;). 
These are the APMs I counted:

Silent Wolf (Fox) vs GenesisFTW (Falco): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNil52htHH8&feature=related

[COLOR="Red"]APM: 236[/COLOR]

Silent Wolf (Fox) vs. Eggz (Fox): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q91y6J_ddgY&feature=related

[COLOR="Red"]APM: 250[/COLOR]

Silent Wolf (combo video, Fox): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyVLKgr3BEQ

[COLOR="Red"]APM: 352[/COLOR]

Zelghandi (Fox and Falco):

[COLOR="Red"]APM: 448[/COLOR]


The new tech skill video was not released yet by the time I counted the last
 one, so I decided to count the APM of Zelghandi, which is  already
 very impressive. However, a high tech skill can not only be judged by the
 APM, as tech skill like ledgecanceling is hard to do, but does not require
 many inputs. I was quite surprised that the APM I counted on the two 
matches was not higher than the other APMs which already have been
 counted so far. Silent Wolfs combo and tech skill showoff speed is amazingly
 high, though, despite the taunts in between. I can remember that during one 
routine in Zelghandi, Silent Wolf reached a extrapolated APM of roughly 1000, 
which is mind-blowing.

Some annotations: I will now list the counted moves from every video.
 I counted everything I saw, including tech skill showoffs between stocks
 and everything. I counted moonwalks as 2 actions, one for the dash and 
the second for the half circle movement. You might notice, that the number
 of actions of the same moves sometimes vary. I did that because sometimes 
the control stick or L-button already was in the right position from the last
 move. Thus a shine sometimes can consist of 2 actions (down and b), 
but sometimes only of one (after a shffl for example). The inputs of 
moves in brackets are already counted. When I added "left" or "right"
 to a move, I counted one action more. This means that the player DIed 
that way during that move.





[COLOR="Red"]Silent Wolf vs. GenesisFTW:[/COLOR]

This is the first match I counted. I always counted the number of times one 
move is used, which is a bad idea because you get a better result by transcribing
 the whole match and count the moves in their respective context. I think 
I remember that I counted DI on every hit...

Aerials: 18                  18
L-cancels: 15             15
Tilts: 8                         16
Jabs: 5                           5
Smashes:  0                  0
Shines: 23                   46
Lasers: 11                   11
Firefoxes: 2                  5
Illusions: 1                    2
Jumps:  38                  38
Wavedashes: 12       36
Dashes: 21                 21
Jump-DI: 10              10
DI: 10                          10
Shields: 12                 12
Techs: 2                       2
Other getups: 2          2
Ledge-getups: 1         1
Ledge-releases: 6      6
(JC) Grabs: 8             16
Throws: 9                     9
Pummels: 7                 7
Fastfalls: 19              19

[COLOR="Red"]Total: 307

Time: 78 s

APM: 236[/COLOR]








[COLOR="Red"]Silent Wolf vs. Eggz: [/COLOR]

I did this recently, I believe it is quite accurate.

GO!
SHL                  2
fastfall             1
SHL left             3
fastfall             1
SHL left             3
fastfall             1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
jump                 1
shine                2
jump                 1
DI right             1
dash right           1
shine                2
jump                 1
fastfalled dair      2
L-cancel             1
stand up right       1
dash left            1
jump                 1
dair                 1
jump                 1
Firefox              2
fastfall             1
dash right           1
shffl nair           4
dash left            1
shield               1
wavedash left        3
shffl nair left      5
shine                2
jump                 1
DI right             1
shffl nair left      5
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
dash right           1
jc grab              2
uthrow               1
grab                 1
pummel               1
uthrow               1
dash left            1
jc grab              2
uthrow               1
turnaround           1
grab                 1
pummel               1
uthrow               1
utilt                2
jump                 1
bair                 1
fastfall             1
short hop            1
wavedash             3
ledge drop           1
jump right           1
fastfalled bair      2
L-cancel             1
jab                  1
dash right           1
shffl nair           4
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
jump                 1
nair                 1
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
jump                 1
DI right             1
(walk right)
shffl bair left      5
jump                 1
bair                 1
short hop            1
jump                 1
shffl nair right     5
dash left            1
dash right           1
shffl nair           4
dash right           1
dash left            1
jump                 1
jump                 1
fastfalled bair      2
L-Cancel             1
dash left            1
dash right           1
jump                 1
fastfalled nair      2
jump left            2
fastfalled dair      2
L-Cancel             1
dash left            1
shield               1
jump                 1
jump                 1
dash left            1
dash right           1
shffl right          5
shine                2
jump                 1
firefox left         3
wavedash right       3
dash right           1
shine turnaround     3
(jump)
firefoxstall         2
(ledge drop)         1
shine                2
jump                 1
fastfall             1
autocanceled aerial  1
dash left            1
shield               1
jump                 1
DI right             1
jump                 1
fastfalled bair      2
L-cancel             1
shine                1
shffl bair           4
turnaround           1
shield               1
wavedash left        3
turnaround           1
usmash               1
shffl uair left      5
shine                1
waveshine turnaround 6
shine                2
shffl dair           4
shine                1
jc shine             2
short hop            1
DI left              1
shield               1
shine                2
shffl dair           4
dash left            1
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
dash right           1
wavedash right       3
dash left            1
shield               1
DI left              1
shield               1
shffl dair left      5
jump                 1
tech                 1
jump right           2
bair                 1
jump                 1
aerial               1
tech right           2
dash left            1
jc grab              2
uthrow               1
dash right           1
jc grab              2
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
waveland right       2
spot dodge           1
shffl bair left      5
dash right           1
dash attack          1
shine                2
jump                 1
turnaround           1
dash left            1
dash attack          1
dash left            1
shine turnaround     3
(jump)
firefoxstall         1
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
fastfalled dair      1
L-cancel             1
wavedash left        1
ledgedrop (fastfall) 1
shine                1
jump right           1
firefox up right     3
shffl uair           4
shine                2
SHL                  2
fastfall             1
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
dash right           1
shield               1
jump                 1
DI left              1
dash right           1
shiel                1
jump                 1
DI right             1
DI left              1
shield               1
jump                 1
shine                2
jump right           2
illusion             2
stand up             1
dash left            1
waveshine left       5
dash left            1
dash right           1
jc grab              2
uthrow               1
dsah right           1
jc grab              2
pummel               1
uthrow               1
grab                 1
grab                 1
dash right           1
shffl nair           4
spotdodge            1
spotdodge            2
shffl nair left      5
waveshine left       5
jump right           2
short illusion right 2
DI input             1
fastfall             1
dash right           1
shffl nair right     4
dash left            1
shield               1
wavedash right       3
walk left            1
shffl bair right     5
jab                  1
dash right           1
dash left            1
shffl nair           4
tech left            2
dash right           1
jump                 1
DI left              1
shield               1
jump                 1
dash right           1
shield               1
shield               1
wavedash left        3
roll right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
jump                 1
nair                 1
fastfall             1
L-cancel             1
dash right           1
dash left            1
jump                 1
jump right           1
laser                1
fastfall             1
shine                1
jump                 1
laser                1
laser                1
jump left            1
nair                 1
wavedash right       3
wavedash right       3
dash left            1
jump right           1
turnaround laser     1 
dash left            1
dash attack          1
dash right           1
wavedash right       3
dash right           1
dash left            1
shield               1
jump                 1
laser                1
laser                1
DI right             1
dash right           1
RSHL                 3
fastfall             1
dash left            1
waveshine left       5
dash left            1
dash right           1
shffl nair           4
dash right           1
dash left            1
jc grab              2
uthrow               1
shffl nair right     5
dash left            1
dash right           1
grab                 1
pummel               1
pummel               1
uthrow               1
shffl nair           4
dash right           1
waveshine right      5
jab                  1
shine                2
shffl nair           4
dash left            1
shield               1
jump                 1
jump right           2
bair                 1
wavedash right       3
fastfall             1
jump left            1
reverse laser        2
waveshineturnaround  6
ledgedrop            1
jump left            1
fastfalled bair      2
L-cancel             1
dsmash               1
Wavedash right       3
ledgedrop            1
shine                1
jump left            2
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
shine                1
shffl dair           4
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
dash right           1
dash left            1
wavedash left        3
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
dash right           1
wavedash right       3
turn around          1
shield               1
jump                 1
DI right             1
shine                2
shffl dair left      5
jab                  1
jab                  1
stand up attack      1
walk right           1
shield               1
DI input             1
tech                 1
jump                 1
illusion             2
tech left            2
spot dodge           2
shine                1
jump right           2
dash right           1
jump                 1
fastfalled nair      2
DI input             1
DI input             1
DI right             1
shine                2
jump                 1
illusion             2
DI input             1
SDI left             1
jump                 1
fastfalled nair      2
L-cancel             1
waveshine right      4
shine                2
jump right           2
fastfall             1
waveland             2
dash rgiht           1
wavedash left        3
shffl bair left      5
jump left            2
firefox up left      3
tech                 1
ledge drop           1
jump                 1
airdodge left        2
shield               1
wavedash left        3
dash right           1
jc grab              2
uthrow               1
usmash               1
shffl nair           4
shine                1
shffl bair left      5
shine                1
jump                 1
fastfalled bair      2
L-Cancel             1
dash right           1
shield               1
jump                 1
jump                 1
shield               1
spotdodge            1
dash right           1
jump                 1
fastfalled nair      2
L-cancel             1
foxtrott right       1
dash right           1
jc grab              2
pummel               1
pummel               1
jab                  1
shine                2
shffl nair left      5
dash left            1
shield               1
wavedash left        3
grab                 1
pummel               1
uthrow               1
turnaround           1
usmash               1
shffl uair           4
shine                2
crouch               1
shine                1
jc shine             2
jump                 1
jump                 1

GAME!
[COLOR="Red"]
Total: 721

Time: 173 s

APS: 4,17
APM: 250[/COLOR]




[COLOR="Red"]Silent Wolf (combo video):[/COLOR]

I was really surprised by the APM of the first match I counted, so I wanted 
to count other stuff, like SW's combo speed.

tech            1
Waveshine       5
jab             1
Jump right      2
shine           2
jump            1
waveland        2
fastfalled dair 2
L-cancel        1
shineturnaround 3
ledgedrop       1
shine           2
jump            1
Firefoxstall    2
ledgeroll       1


jab             1
grab            1
upthrow         1
Waveshine       5
Dash right      1
full Jump       1
fastfalled nair 2
L-cancel        1
turn around     1
jab             1
dash left       1
shffl nair      4
dash left       1
Waveshine       5
dash left       1
JC grab         2
upthrow         1
waveshine       5
dash left       1
short hop       1
shineturnaround 3
jump            1
wavedash        3   
ledgedrop       1
shine           2
jump right      2
upair           1


dash right      1
shffl nair      4
dtilt           2
shffl nair      4
dash right      1
shineturnaround 3
jump            1
bair            1
wavedash        3
ledgedrop       1
turnaroundlaser 2
shineturnaround 3
wavedash        3
ledgedrop       1
shine           2
jump left       2
fastfalled dair 2
L-cancel        1


shield          1
shffl dair right5
utilt           2
turnaround      1
jab             1
shffl nair left 5
trunaround      1
jab             1
shffl nair right5
dash left       1
wavedash        3
grab            1
uthrow          1
dash right      1
jump            1
waveshine       5
jab             1
jab             1
turnaround      1
utilt           2
shffl bair      4
  

dash left       1
shffl nair      4
turnaround      1
utilt           2
jab             1
waveshine       5
jab             1
grab            1
fthrow          1
turnaround      1
jump left       2
waveshine       5
waveshine       5
dash left       1
dash right      1
short hop       1
shineturnaround 3
jump            1
dshmash         1
wavedash        3
ledgedrop       1
jump left       2
fastfalled nair 2
L-cancel        1
short hop right 2
ledgedrop       1
jump left       2
fastfalled dair 2
L-cancel        1
dash left       1
jump            1
dair            1
jab             1
 

dash left       1
fastfalled bair 2
L-cancel        1
shffl bair right5
dash left       1
dash right      1
shffl nair      4
waveshine       5
turnaround      1
jab             1
waveshine       5
jab             1
dash left       1
jc grab         2
uthrow          1
dash right      1
jump            1
dair            1
L-cancel        1
shffl nair left 5
dash left       1
jump            1
bair            1
waveshine       5
shffl nair left 5
shine turnaround3
(jump)
Firefoxstall    2
ledgedrop       1
jump right      2
short hop       1
wavedash        3
dash right      1
dash left       1
shffl nair      4
waveshine       5
dash left       1
short hop       1
shineturnaround 3
jump            1
bair            1
L-cancel        1
wavedash        3


wavedash        3
waveshine       5
dash right      1
jc grab         2
uthrow          1
jump            1
dair            1
utilt           2
jump            1
uair            1
dash left       1
dash right      1
jc grab         2
uthrow          1
jump            1
uair            1
wavedash        3
dash left       1
 

dash left       1
shffl dair      4
waveshine       5
dash right      1
wavedash        3
jump            1
shine           2
jump right      2
waveland        2
fastfalled dair 2
L-cancel        1
waveshine       3
dsmash          1
short hop left  2


dash left       1
jump            1
nair            1
fastfall        1
L-cancel        1
dash right      1
waveshine       5
turnaround      1
jab             1
grab            1
waveshine       5
shffl nair left 5
jab             1
waveshine       5
waveshine       5
turnaround      1
jab             1
dash right      1
jc grab         2
uthrow          1
dash left       1
waveshine       5
jab             1
grab            1
uthrow          1
dash right      1
shffl nair      4
dash right      1
waveshine       5
shffl dair left 5
waveshine       5
usmash          1
shdl            3
waveshine turnaround  6
waveshine turnaround  6
waveshine turnaround  6
waveshine turnaround  6
waveshine turnaround  6
waveshine turnaround  6
waveshine turnaround  6

[COLOR="Red"]
481 actions

duration: 1:22 = 82 seconds

=> 352 apm[/COLOR]





Zelghandi:

Yes, I counted the APM of both Fox and Falco. If you want to know the
 seperate APM of Fox and Falco, calculate it yourself!

Routine 1:

Dash right           1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
shrl                 3
shine                2
shffl uair           4
waveshineturnaround  6
shine                2
shffl uair           4
shineturnaround      6
jc shine             2
short hop left       2
fastfalled uair      2
L-Cancel             1
waveshineturnaround  6
dash left            1
shrl                 3
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
shield               1
jc shine             2
shffl uair right     5
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
taunt                1

                     80

Routine 2:

dash left            1
shine                2
shdl left            4
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
dash right           1
shine                2
shdl right           4
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
dash left            1
shine                2
shdl left            4
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6

                     57

Routine 3:

shine                2
jump                 1
jump                 1
walk right           1
shineturnaround      3
jc shineturnaround   4
jc shineturnaround   4
wavedash right       3
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
reverselaser         2
waveshineturnaround  6
firebirdstall        2
 
                     32

Routine 4:

ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
laser                1
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
waveshine            5
firefoxstall         2
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
laser                1
illusion             2
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
laser                1
illusion             2
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
laser                1
illusion             2
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
taunt                1

                     38

Routine 5:

dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
jc shine             3
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jump                 1
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
waveshine            5
waveshineturnaround  6
firefoxstall         2
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
reverse laser        2
taunt                1

                     44


Routine 6:

dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
turnaround           1
walk right           1
crouch               1
dash right           1
turnaround           1
dash left            1
turnaround           1
dash right           1
turnaround           1
dash left            1
turnaround           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
jump                 1
bair                 1
fastfall             1
L-cancel             1
taunt                1
 
                     26                     


Routine 7:

dash right           1
shrl                 3
jab                  1
dash right           1
wavedash right       3
short hop right      2
jab                  1
dash left            1
dash right           1
wavedash left        3
shrl left            4
shine                2
shffl uair           4
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
shield               1
jc shine             3
jc shine             2
shffl uair right     5
waveshineturnaround  6
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
taunt                1

                     52


Routine 8:

shine                2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
short hop            1
bair (mistake)       1
shine                1
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
short hop            1
dair (mistake)       1
shine                1
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
short hop            1
dair (mistake)       1
shine                1
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
short hop            1
dair                 1
shine                1
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jump                 1
shine                1
shine                1
shffl uair           4
shine                1
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
short hop            1
dair                 1
shine                1
short hop            1
dair                 1

                     73

Routine 9:

short hop right      2
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
upsmash              1
dash left            1
turnaround           1
dash right           1
turnaround           1
dash left            1
turnaround           1
dash left            1
taunt                1
     
                     18

Routine 10:

shineturnaround      3
jc shineturnaround   4
jc shineturnaround   4
jc shineturnaround   4
jc shineturnaround   4
jc shineturnaround   4
jc shineturnaround   4
jump                 1
shine                1

                     29

Routine 11:

wavedash left        3
waveshineturnaround  6
shine                2
shdl                 3
waveshineturnaround  6
shine                2
shdl                 3
waveshineturnaround  6
shine                2
shdl                 3
waveshineturnaround  6
shine                2
shdl                 3
waveshineturnaround  6
taunt                1

                     54

Routine 12:

dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
shine                2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jump                 1
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
waveshine            5
waveshineturnaround  6
firefoxstall         2
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
reverse laser        2
taunt                1

                     37

Routine 13:

walk right           1
waveshineturnaround  6
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
waveland             2
walk right           1
waveshineturnaround  6
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
waveland             2
walk right           1
waveshineturnaround  6
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
waveland             2
taunt                1

                     34

Routine 14:

shine                2
jc shine             2 
jc shine             2
wavedash             3
walk right           1
moonwalk             2
jump left            2
illusion             2
ledgedrop            1
walljump             1
turnaroundlaser      2
jump left            2
firefoxstall         2
ledgedrop            1
walljump             1
turnaroundlaser      2
jump left            2
firefoxstall         2
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
shine                1
shffl dair left      5
taunt                1

                     45


Routine 15:

shine                2
shffl uair           4
shine                1
shffl dair           4
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
taunt                1

Dayum!               162


Routine 16:

dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
shine                2
short hop            1
dair                 1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
shield               1
jc shine             3
jc shine             2
wavedash             3
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
shrl                 3
waveshine right      5
shine                2
(jump)               
firebirdstall        2
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
waveshineturnaround  6
shineturnaround      3
short hop            1
shineturnaround      3
jump                 1
shineturnaround      3
(jump)               
firebirdstall        2
      
                     59



Routine 17:

waveshine right      5
shine                2
(jump) 
firebirdstall        2
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
turnaroundlaser      2
waveshineturnaround  6
shine                2
(jump)           
firebirdstall        2
ledgedrop            1
jump                 1
laser                1
ledgedrop            1
jump left            2
turnaround           1
jab                  1
dash left            1
short hop            1
jab                  1
dash right           1
dash left            1
wavedash left        3
dash left            1
shrl                 3
shine                2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jump right           2
turnaround           1
jab                  1
turnaround           1
jab                  1
turnaround           1
jab                  1
shffl uair left      5
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6

                     87


Routine 18:

shine                2
shffl uair           4
shine                1
shffl uair           4
shine                1
shffl uair           4
shine                1
shffl uair           4
shine                1 
shffl dair           4
shine                1
shffl dair           4
shine                1
shffl dair           4
shineturnaround      2
shdl                 3
shine                2
shffl dair           4
shine                1
shffl uair           4
shine                1
shffl dair           4
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
  
                     99


Routine 19:

turnaround           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
dash left            1
dash right           1
shield               1
jc shine             3
shffl uair right     5
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
waveshineturnaround  6
shine                2
jc shine             2
jc shine             2
jump right           2
fastfalled uair      2
L-cancel             1
turnaround           1
jab                  1
jab                  1

                     64

[COLOR="Red"]
Total:               1090

Time:                146  seconds

APM:  448[/COLOR]

 

[RockCrock]

Wow, awesome job, Hatacatan. Since this thread began people have been begging for SW matches lol. Finally we have some answers!

Because of the smackdown that Silent Wolf gave to GenesisFTW in the first match, I think that his APM is going to be skewed. SW didn't get hit for three quarters of the match, so he didn't have to slow down his inputs. Without knowing any other details about the match, I would probably assume that SW's APM is inflated. But Hatacatan reports SW's APM to be 236, which is low compared to other Fox matches that have been posted. So why does this one-sided game yield an unexpectedly low APM for SW? If you watch the match, you notice that SW takes two of Genesis's stocks when Gen is below 50% (very APM efficient). So although the match is one-sided, the match also ends very quickly (shorter battles mean less inouts over time and a smaller APM). Unfortunately, I have no clue what SW's gimp rate is, so I cannot say whether these two gimps are typical or atypical of SW's average gameplay. Conclusion: The one-sidedness of this match in combination with his 50% gimp rate hinders it's likelyness of being an average match (or an average APM). With more data (more matches of SW), the validity of this match could be reexamined.

Your second match (SW vs. Eggz) yields a more reliable APM count because the game play is more conventional (i.e. players are constantly hitting each other). SW's 250 APM falls almost directly inbetween the only two conventional Fox matches that have been recorded (Zhu's 224 and Cactuar's 270). This is the kind of match data the thread needs more of! NORMAL MATCHES, not one sided tech-offs.

The third tabulation you did, "Silent Wolf" has actually already been tabulated. Last August, Stabbedbyanipple reported the video's APM to be 374, compared to your 352. Obviously, this video is among the most difficult to examine because of the gameplay speed, so differences in readings shouldn't come as surprise. You each provided an action log with your posts, so I began to cross reference the findings. Just looking at the first scene, there were a couple difference that I found. In fact, when I watched the scene myself, I found different results than what either of you two had recorded. This generates a third perspective and APM for the same video. In the end, different people are gonna see different things. Averaging the records is probably the best thing to do.

Finally, you recorded the whole Zelghandi video!!! Omg, I am astounded by your persistence. Very difficult vid, almost twice as long as the previous one. 448 APM!?! That's too sick.

Incredible work, Hatacatan.

 

[Cactuar]

I'm still surprised at my APM. I don't even do anything... lolol

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

hahaha what a ****tyy thread suck my **** *****es i am the bestg, most insightfula nd aamazing posyer ever to grace swf GET *****

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Silentspectre's APM​

I was bored and decided to do Jeff's APM after a long break from APM.

I picked a short but not completely **** match from Mango Juice. Him vs Zhu match 3 on Yoshi's Story. Match link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tN7IGa416M

Fair is referred to as Knee in the list. The name depends on how close together the actions were. Like some times he will shield for a few seconds and I'll write down "shield", then he will roll and I'll write down Roll. Both of which being 1 action. When it's close together I'll write "Shield roll (2)".

Match is 2:10 but match didn't start for 5 seconds and jeff was dead for 4 seconds so total length is 2:01.

If you don't want to read the whole thing then here:
end of math - 2:10
total inputs - 353
active seconds - 2:01

Actions Per Minute ~ 174
Actions Per Second ~ 2.9

If you do then:

Math starts: 0:04
total inputs: 0

Dash right
Jump Back (2)
Waveland left (2)
Dash Left
Dair
L cancel
Full hop right (2)
Fast Fall
Double Jump
Platform drop
dash left
shield
roll right
shield
roll left
dash left
tech
dash left
double jump back (2)
dash right
double jump
waveland left (2)
double jump
dash right
fastfall Uair L cancel (2)
dash right
dash left
dash right
short hop Bair left (3)
fast fall L cancel (2)
full hop right (2)
walk right
dash right
Fastfall Uair L cancel (3)
jab
DI left
DI right tech right (2)
walk left
shield
shield grab
uthrow
dash left
dash right
tech ledge drop
double jump Nair Right (3)
L cancel
shield
shffled knee right (5)
shield roll left (2)
dash left
double jump back (2)
waveland right (2)
fast fall knee L cancel (3)
jab di right
tech walk left
side B (2)
get up
Di left
di right
double jump left (2)
up b left (3)
di right
ledge jump
di up
double jump left (2)
falcon kick (2)
double jump knee left (3)
tech roll left (2)
dash right
short hop nair (2)
double jump right (2)
up b right (3)

Silentspectre's first death - 0:46
total inputs - 110

fast fall grab (2)
uthrow
shffled dair right (5)
shffled nair left (5)
gentleman (3)
shield
shffled nair left (5)
Jab
shffled bair left (5)
dash left
jc grab (2)
dash left
shield
short hop
double jump right (2)
walk right
platform drop
fast fall knee l cancel right (4)
dash left
shield
shffled dair left (5)
dash right
dash left
dash right
dash left
dash right
short hop
waveland left (2)
get up
di right
dash left
dash attack
dash right
auto cancel bair (3)
short hop left (2)
double jump right (2)
dash right
double jump
waveland left (2)
double jump right
dair
fast fall uair l cancel (3)
dash right
double jump back (2)
waveland left (2)
double jump fast fall (2)
dair l cancel (2)
jab jab (2)
platform drop uair (2)
l cancel wavedash right (3)
dash right
dash left
shield
shffled knee left (5)
jab dash left
di right
get up attack
shield
short hop di left
shield
shield grab
pummel
dthrow
wavedash right (3)
dash left
jc grab (2)
pummel fthrow
shffled nair (4)
dash left
knee
di right
tech
double jump right (2)
wall jump
up b right (3)
shield
short hop
dash right
shield
shffled bair left (5)
short hop
gentleman (3)
shield
shffled knee left (5)
jab grab
jab
jc grab left (3)
uthrow
full hop
uair right (2)
uair l cancel (2)
gentleman (3)
shffled knee left (5)
dash left
double jump right (2)
airdodge left (2)
di right
di left
airdodge left (2)
double jump right (2)
airdodge up (2)
falcon kick (2)
double jump nair right (3)
l cancel
dash right
knee left (4)
short hop
double jump (2)
wall jump
up b right (3)
ledge drop
waveland left (2)
ledge jump
double jump
fast fall dair (2)
l cancel
shield
double jump right (2)

Silentspectre's second death - 1:54
total inputs - 320

fast fall
dash right
utilt (2)
full hop left (2)
knee l cancel (2)
gentleman (3)
shield
two dtilts (3)
full hop left (2)
knee l cancel (2)
dash grab right (2)
double jump left (2)
dash left
dash right
usmash (2)
shield
short hop knee right (3)
jab
fsmash

end of math - 2:10
total inputs - 353
active seconds - 2:01

Actions Per Minute ~ 174
Actions Per Second ~ 3

Total number of
Dashes - 40
Grabs - 8
dash attacks - 1

Usmashes - 1
Dsmashes - 0
Fsmashes - 1

Nairs - 6
Knees - 11
Uairs - 6
Bairs - 4
Dairs - 7

Ftilts - 0
Utilts - 1
Dtilts - 2

Neutral B's - 0
Side B's - 1
Falcon Kicks - 2
Up B's - 4

 

[Laijin]

This is pretty awesome.
Am I the only who is curious to see a the average Brawl player's APM? I just wanna see how it stacks up to Melee's

 

[Teczer0]

How can Vanz's peach have more APM than Jman's fox.

Vanz breaks this game wtf.

 

[Jihnsius]

Peach is played more technically recently in all aspects of her game, whereas Fox is really only technical when pressuring/shine comboing and showing off.

 

[Teczer0]

Well.. it was more or less a rhetorical question lol.

Although imo modern Fox requires a bit more APM overall than modern peach. But w/e its debatable.