Apex Legends Mafia: Boosted GAME OVER Who won?

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think boom dropped this earlier but I do not take FF’s lack of being around for the same mine should not be.

I tend to have busy like weeks and I try to contribute once a day. FF is likely in the same situation with his job.

this isn’t a scum tell for him or me these days.

anyways I gotta go host dnd so I will be poking inhere and there today.

#HBC | FrozeηFlame Boop me when you are done posting, I want to read your full thoughts

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

#HBC | FrozeηFlame Boop me when you are done posting, I want to read your full thoughts

down to put our heads together later for sure when hopefully we both have time, I buy that you aren't bessies mate, you might be SK or some other indy but I believe that you're actually scum hunting

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

still kneedeep in reread atm tho

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Bessie, Xivii, FF, and Wam can all make it to day two.

Laserguy is my best friend and obviously town.

Eido also probably town.

There's two or three more players in this game and they haven't made a large impression on me.

These reads, they are not great.

Well, the Bessie/Xivii stuff is fine, because Xivii is towny and I'm willing to just take his word on it for Bessie. And Eido is probably town if he's not lying about his prior experience.

Frozen, though, may not actually be town. And Wam's scummy af.

Your Vicarin push is just weird, to be honest, he's not really doing anything alignment indicative except being pretty chill under pressure. Haven't seen anything from Maven, but hey, maybe I'll see something scummy from him and these reads will look better.

lmao fonti looks awful here

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Ay, I've talked myself back around to:
Vote: Wam

Forgive me, Lord Xivii.

this makes a lot of sense if its scum!sab AND scum!font, weird pivot, and the original sab vote was admitted xivii sheeping

 

[fontisian]

lmao fonti looks awful here

*****, I do not. I townread Xivii, and said I trusted wherever he would end up on Bessie, which was correct. Then I townread Eido. Then I waffled on you. Then I pushed Wam. Then I told Ryker his Vicarin push wasn't great. Likely the only thing wrong in there is the Wam push.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

weird way to claim town credit for conveniently offloading your read of scum!bessie to xivii but go off

 

[fontisian]

weird way to claim town credit for conveniently offloading your read of scum!bessie to xivii but go off

Relying on townreads who know someone better than you is not scummy, and Xivii suspecting Bessie is why I narrowed in on her in the end. As a wolf, I would have known Xivii was going to get to wolf on Bessie eventually, there's no reason for me to support sheeping him on her in advance.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

ryker was also advocating for letting scum!bessie go to day 2 and you immediately backtracked your "these are all bad reads" rhetoric SPECIFCALLY to validate his placement of her

 

[fontisian]

ryker was also advocating for letting scum!bessie go to day 2 and you immediately backtracked your "these are all bad reads" rhetoric SPECIFCALLY to validate his placement of her

?

No, that wasn't the point of the post. The point was to talk to Ryker about him being in a bad spot in general, because his town/scum split wasn't great, and was very different from mine. It wasn't about who was going to go to D2, because it was so early in the Day, it obviously wasn't going to have much bearing on the eod votes.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

so let me get this straight

ryker has an early reads list where he literally correct on everyone's alignment except bessies

you literally said "these are bad reads" to that post

you contradict CONTRADICT MULTIPLE CORRECT READS in that post EXCEPT FOR BESSIE when he's advocating for all those slots to go to day 2

and you don't think you look bad?

 

[fontisian]

so let me get this straight

ryker has an early reads list where he literally correct on everyone's alignment except bessies

you literally said "these are bad reads" to that post

you contradict CONTRADICT MULTIPLE CORRECT READS in that post EXCEPT FOR BESSIE when he's advocating for all those slots to go to day 2

and you don't think you look bad?

Uh, yeah.

You're interpreting it in the worst possible light? Like, one, I don't have perfect info, I'm talking to Ryker to figure **** out. Two, I was correct that there was a wrong read in there. Asking Ryker to talk about **** while supporting the good reads in there (Xivii, Eido, you later) is not scummy. And you understand that the effect of what I was doing /undermined/ his Bessie townread ultimately, right? Like, I told him and everyone to trust Xivii on Bessie, Xivii came back with a correct scumread on Bessie eventually. I did because I knew Xivii was town and I knew if Bessie was scum he'd get her.

Worth noting that Xivii was already starting to scumread Bessie at this point, btw, I just hadn't started incorporating that into my reads.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

As a wolf, I would have known Xivii was going to get to wolf on Bessie eventually, there's no reason for me to support sheeping him on her in advance.

lmao this is so blatantly false, you turbo bussed your partners last game the minute you know they were going down, sheeping isnt the best way to get town cred from scum!bessie flip but it still works and is a low risk early investment incase the wind (i.e. xivii) conveniently starts blowing elsewere

also as a wolf you would never resign yourself this early in the game to "x slot WILL solve y mates slot and I have to play around that." Did you just share a whole article from thingyman about powerwolfing recently?

 

[fontisian]

With the Maven flip, the last wolf might be Trisscar? I don't really know. I need to go over everything some more, bleh.

It makes me more certain on Boom, if anything, because, uh, poe.

 

[fontisian]

lmao this is so blatantly false, you turbo bussed your partners last game the minute you know they were going down, sheeping isnt the best way to get town cred from scum!bessie flip but it still works and is a low risk early investment incase the wind (i.e. xivii) conveniently starts blowing elsewere

also as a wolf you would never resign yourself this early in the game to "x slot WILL solve y mates slot and I have to play around that." Did you just share a whole article from thingyman about powerwolfing recently?

You're correct, I wouldn't resign myself to "x slot with solve y mates slot." I'd play around it. I'd undermine Xivii's position, push people against him, undermine his footing, and make him focus /on me/ instead of her. Instead, I supported him and his pushes, told everyone he was town and why, and told him when his paranoia was driving him off the rails. I tried to support and raise him up, because that's how I play town, not undermine and destroy, like I do as scum.

Look at how I powerwolfed in Things and Sumting. When my teammates were in danger, I made a spectacle of /myself/. I took scum onto me so that I would be the focus instead of my teammates, because I knew I'd always be able to fight my way out of it. I distanced from Dark Horse, but at the same time I always deflected away from him and onto a convenient town target, until Pythag killed him. I defended Kary constantly and cemented him in the towncore. I only turned on him because he gave up. If he hadn't, I would have kept deflecting from him to the end.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@Anyone with more experience with Sabrar than me

Why doesn't town!Sabrar come right out and claim double voter? this is the go to pro town move

we were going to figure out that a double vote was floating our there eventually, why keep that information nebulous if you're trying to help town? just creates room for manipulation and confusion

BTW I'm a Double-voter (with some minor complications).

retracting this sentiment as I stand corrected, double vote claim came on page 10 and it was immediately after ryker claimed mason so relatively early and I think sab had only voted once in those 10 pages, still kind of a hesitation per textbook approach standard but it wasn't as late as I originally thought

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

partially retracting my retraction remembering the context that neither, sab, UP, nor triss has been entirely forthcoming about their role literally the entire game

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Missed that question. My b. Mafia double voter is a powerful role, but town double voter really isn't. It could be on either side and fit my hypothesis. I HIGHLY suspect janitor exists in a set-up like this (which is why I wanted to claim).

scum double voter seems to fit the overall power role balance in this game with town being so stacked

 

[fontisian]

scum double voter seems to fit the overall power role balance in this game with town being so stacked

Bruh.

Scum double-voter is weak af.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

hate to be a reductionist lame-o but just from an EV perspective yeeting sab/UP/triss slot might just be the safe play like that slot is just a toxin festing in this game

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Bruh.

Scum double-voter is weak af.

lmao the **** you mean? swingy doesnt mean weak, you get into a towncore as scum double voter you may as well have 2 scum in the towncore

 

[fontisian]

lmao the **** you mean? swingy doesnt mean weak, you get into a towncore as scum double voter you may as well have 2 scum in the towncore

How are you going to get into the towncore as a scum double voter when town have an inno child and masons?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

also don't sit here and pretend with me like that slot ISNT ****ING HIDING SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR ROLE JFC

they obviously do more than double vote and have been shady about it all game, reeks of partial fakeclaim

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

alright fonti I'm wrong about everything please tell me who to vote Im lost af and have no idea who to vote please tell me Ill do whatever you say

 

[fontisian]

also don't sit here and pretend with me like that slot ISNT ****ING HIDING SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR ROLE JFC

they obviously do more than double vote and have been shady about it all game, reeks of partial fakeclaim

Possibly, yeah.

Worth noting that UP actually said the thing about them being able to target someone at Night to cancel the double vote. I thought Trisscar being forced into saying that Yesterday was the first time it was brought up, but UP actually said it just after he replaced in.

That's not confirmation, obviously, because wolf!Trisscar's teammates likely just let her know, but it's not as out of left field as a I thought.

Anyway.

 

[fontisian]

alright fonti I'm wrong about everything please tell me who to vote Im lost af and have no idea who to vote please tell me Ill do whatever you say

Bruh.

 

[fontisian]

I'm not even saying you're wrong on Trisscar? I just want Boom first.

 

[fontisian]

At least the sarcastic meltdown always comes from town!Frozen.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

lets be honest following your proposed orders of operations this game wouldn't have had a great yield, my confidence isn't very high

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

you got to do angry posting early, im doing petty posting now, its only fair

 

[fontisian]

you got to do angry posting early, im doing petty posting now, its only fair

I'm not angry posting?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Frozen, friend, you're seeing things that legitimately point against Bessie/UP as distancing and obvious distancing between Wam and Bessie as clearing. You've got a confirmation bias problem.

(Yes, I am prepared to eat crow if Wam is town and UP scum.)

you have no idea how bad I want to know if you have to eat crow, we're halfway there

 

[fontisian]

lets be honest following your proposed orders of operations this game wouldn't have had a great yield, my confidence isn't very high

...

My proposed order of operations at eod 1 was Laser town -> Bessie, remember?

 

[fontisian]

you have no idea how bad I want to know if you have to eat crow, we're halfway there

Fair, lol.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I'm not angry posting?

no not now, I meant like earlier in the game like closer to EoD1 or something? I think me or ryker commented on it, ill quote it when i get to it in reread

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

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My proposed order of operations at eod 1 was Laser town -> Bessie, remember?

ill see if this checks out in about 10 pages

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

So, here it is. The catch behind my double vote...

Spoiler

If I vote for the entire place and unvote 7 times in a row, I immediately kill all players who haven’t told Chaco that he’s handsome in the current Day phase. Y’all better get on that, because who knows when I might activate it

Spoiler: ...

Had to hit em with the double troll. My first vote lingers. That’s all. I can move my second vote wherever I want after that. Tbh it’s a very simple ability but it seemed like it was something wild the way Sabrar mentioned that before he left so of course I had to hype it up. Also, it was Xivii who wanted to know and I was kinda given strict instructions to yeet them; well, not really strict per se but it was important enough to him to mention that in his last breath, so I wanted to make sure I wasn’t doing anything dumb by claiming immediately, although there really wasn’t a reason for me not to claim immediately. So take it as you will

this post is so ****ing ugly

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Uh probably because I’m a Xivii executioner, makes sense tbh

the **** was this

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Malakandra
Ryker
Red Ryu
Fontisian
Xivii
LaserGuy
Somitomi
FrozenFlame
Maven
Eido
Vicarin
Wam
Bessie

is this the only reads list we got from UP all game?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

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Vic is probably town. Color-coordinated similar phrases. hi bessie

god I hope xivii is right with this, cool meta take