Apex Legends Mafia: Boosted GAME OVER Who won?

[Trisscar]

The MTGS game was an absolute mess tbf.

Also IRL has taken enough time and energy, that I wanted to see how I'd do in terms of reads without paging through the entire thread.

Your plan had several points of failure Fonti, that makes it too complex for the setup of this game and it's time limit.

 

[fontisian]

The MTGS game was an absolute mess tbf.

Also IRL has taken enough time and energy, that I wanted to see how I'd do in terms of reads without paging through the entire thread.

Your plan had several points of failure Fonti, that makes it too complex for the setup of this game and it's time limit.

In your own words, without looking back, what were the points of failure.

 

[Trisscar]

Nothing to do with what they were. Has to do with how many.

Granted you seemed to be planning for every eventuality you could think of, but if the plan does not go off exactly as you expect it to, it's going to cause a lot more confusion than it's likely to give information.
And confusion tends to work better for mafia than town.

 

[Trisscar]

Also it wasn't some kind of lock, like having a bodyguard/doctor combo with no roleblocks in the game or what you. Which is pretty much the only kind I'd advise putting into general chat, lack of whisper function notwithstanding.

 

[Trisscar]

Not trying to say you shouldn't ever attempt that kinda thing. Just saying that it was being formed close to EoD, in the middle of a game with little room for error, and involved someone it seems like nearly everyone was reading as mafia. With not enough redundancy to make absolutely sure that checks and balances wouldn't fail.

 

[fontisian]

Nothing to do with what they were. Has to do with how many.

Granted you seemed to be planning for every eventuality you could think of, but if the plan does not go off exactly as you expect it to, it's going to cause a lot more confusion than it's likely to give information.
And confusion tends to work better for mafia than town.

Trisscar, you're saying "how many" without being able to give a single example.

 

[Vicarin]

Out of interest, who'd you target last night fontisian?

 

[Trisscar]

Fonti, greatest respect for you as a person.

Still didn't have time or brain space to memorize your plan that day. XD

The points of failure include the number of people involved, the (reasonable) permutations of how each could act, and how that would affect everyone else in the plan. In this case, to my memory, you had like... five people involved? At least one of whom was unlikely to tell the truth about what they saw or did?

 

[Vicarin]

Rereading the end of D1, most of the initial votes on Bessie are from confirmed town, the only exception being Red Ryu. Frozenflame and BoomFrog voted as L-2 and L-1, while Maven and Fontisian were strenuously arguing against switching the wagon late.

Is it just a Bessie-Maven-Fontisian Mafia team with Red Eye as SK? I really don't think scum would have settled with bussing so late in the voting order D1, given how much info a Mafia flip gives us.

 

[Vicarin]

Red Ryu, damn you phone again.

UP wasn't online at the deadline (neither was I), so can't get much info for Trisscar from that...

Well, each of the non-confirmed players has only 6 people they need to analyze, everyone who isn't confirmed want to put an educated guess for who is scum out there?

 

[Eido]

I think Fonti is almost certainly mafia and I'm just trying to figure out who their partner is.

Can you walk me through this read? You've been fixated on Fonti the moment you replaced in.

 

[Eido]

Frozenflame and BoomFrog voted as L-2 and L-1, while Maven and Fontisian were strenuously arguing against switching the wagon late.

What separates Boom and Maven here? Both were against Bessie right before that spontaneous wagon.

 

[Eido]

fontisian Have you reread? Do you have any leads?

 

[Trisscar]

Don't recall seeing a boomfrog maf game, may be misremembering.
Maven I have no idea on, as said, they basically do not exist.
Natural bias on anyone trying to lynch me obv.
Unno about Fonti, seems like a pretty desperate play to make an elaborate plan that would keep a teammate off the chopping block like that. THey're pretty attached to their plan though it seems?

 

[fontisian]

Let's try something different.

What's a read (non-mechanical) that you believe in Trisscar ?

 

[fontisian]

fontisian Have you reread? Do you have any leads?

Not yet, no. Planning on getting through all of it tonight and tomorrow.

 

[Trisscar]

Let's try something different.

What's a read (non-mechanical) that you believe in Trisscar ?

...I know people were looking at Vicarin yesterday, and that's part of the reason I put them down as "seen as susp".
Other part is that they've been very slightly abrasive? I dunno about that though, cause for whatever reason there appears to be a meta where town act anti-town, and mafia act friendly. Only seen a couple people break that.

So based off that impression and meta alone, I suppose Vicarin would be likely town?

 

[fontisian]

...I know people were looking at Vicarin yesterday, and that's part of the reason I put them down as "seen as susp".
Other part is that they've been very slightly abrasive? I dunno about that though, cause for whatever reason there appears to be a meta where town act anti-town, and mafia act friendly. Only seen a couple people break that.

So based off that impression and meta alone, I suppose Vicarin would be likely town?

Ok.

What something else you believe in?

 

[fontisian]

Actually scratch that question. Trisscar , who are you suspicious of?

 

[Trisscar]

I am suspicious of anyone not mod confirmed at all times.

No I am not kidding.

 

[BoomFrog]

I am suspicious of anyone not mod confirmed at all times.

No I am not kidding.

Come on. Are you suspicious of Eido? This is such a non-answer.

 

[Vicarin]

What separates Boom and Maven here? Both were against Bessie right before that spontaneous wagon.

Boom actually put Bessie at L-1, while Maven was repeatedly dissuading people from switching to her. While a D1 bus by BoomFrog isn't impossible, I think the simpler explanation of Maven being aghast at the sudden town wagon forming against their Mafia partner is more likely.

 

[Trisscar]

Come on. Are you suspicious of Eido? This is such a non-answer.

Tbf that IS mod confirmed, since I doubt there's a role here that either disguises as a mason, forces the mod to post their death card as such, or forces a player to only say things the targeter wants them to for most of the game.
Hence why they aren;t one of the six in my list.

 

[BoomFrog]

Tbf that IS mod confirmed, since I doubt there's a role here that either disguises as a mason, forces the mod to post their death card as such, or forces a player to only say things the targeter wants them to for most of the game.
Hence why they aren;t one of the six in my list.

Alright, but that's still Eido nonsense aside, you need to have some kind of opinion or you are just a blank slate. I appreciate you replacing in when you are busy IRL. Can you rank the 6 on your list in order of most to least likely to be scum?

 

[BoomFrog]

EBWOP: Alright, but that's still Eido nonsense aside,

 

[Trisscar]

hm...

``Ryu shot bessie, bus or town
Fonti wanted to keep Bessie around for master planz, mafia or too exicted
Maven almost does not exist
Boom is reaching out to others
Vicarin is considered susp
Frozen wanted to kill Bessie, bus or town``

...........................

fontisian how attached are you to your plan from before? is current mood due to not being able to execute it, due to bessie being maf, or something else entirely?

Maven89 Plz exist, alternately can a replacement exist?

Vicarin still seems more annoyed than I feel like they probably should be for the main wagon getting lynched a bit early.

Frozen is voting me. Inherent bias on my part now. Could also think I'm easy lynch tbh.

Boom is the one asking and at least seems to be interacting, which is null given previous actions from scum I've seen, but eh.

Ryu I have no read on at all frankly, they're not extremely active and I don't remember a general opinion forming from anything they've said.

Honestly, Fonti/Frozen/Vicarin, though I have just been reminded that anti-town is a weird meta thing by another game, therefore Vicarin might be that instead.

 

[BoomFrog]

Can you walk me through this read? You've been fixated on Fonti the moment you replaced in.

I've been cautious of Fonti since I replaced in because she just royally played me last game and proved she can fake a townie tone. I'm really surprised that LaserGuy thought she was townie even as he was being passionately yeeted. So far my mental list is:

Scummy points for Fonti:
Pushed LaserGuy and wam yeets, both town.
Calling me wolf repeatedly as OMGUS for my suspicion. (I do think fonti should think my suspicion is reasonable.)
Role doesn't make sense with the setup as we know it.
was both verbally suspicious of Bessie while enacting a plan that would keep her alive. Feels like distancing someone who was likely to be shot soon while still trying to save her.

Townie points for Fonti:
Claimed role last and after Red announced that he was definitely (and defiantly) going to shoot Bessie. If Fonti was buddies with Bessie it's weird for her to tie her role so closely together. That's high risk is Bessie is shot, and the smarter play would be to cut her lose.
Not attacking me immediately D3. Scum!Fonti knew I'm coming for her, knows I made a persuasive case last game and would expect me to not back down. The only good defense would be a strong offense against me before I can make my case on her. I was trying to goad her into it at the start of the Day, but she didn't take the bait.

I still think there's pretty good odds Fonti is scum, but I'm going to look back and see if a Maven-Saboysscar team is believable. Scum has to be 2 of those three though. Frozen's attack on Bessie was ligit and not bussing. Ditto Red. I'm not willing to yeet Vic today, but I guess I should include him in the analysis.

 

[BoomFrog]

Trisscar So you think Frozen's attack on Bessie was a bus? Their tone was pretty aggressive.

 

[Trisscar]

Trisscar So you think Frozen's attack on Bessie was a bus? Their tone was pretty aggressive.

I've seen like three or four posts from them that I even recall the existence of, and they've aggressive about everything. Heck if I know. Maybe distance-into bus cause circumstances or something.

 

[BoomFrog]

Trisscar You think Vic faked his role? What do you think the explanation for the kills is?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I am suspicious of anyone not mod confirmed at all times.

No I am not kidding.

Ignore roles outside of eido and mala.

who do you think you want to vote and why do you want to go that direction? You are suspicious of everyone but then who sticks out the most?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I've seen like three or four posts from them that I even recall the existence of, and they've aggressive about everything. Heck if I know. Maybe distance-into bus cause circumstances or something.

Curious why not one way or another? For me I tend to think on odds and then looking at information what is probable or a likely outcome.

this is why I thought Ryker was not lying as a mason claim, odds were even if he were lying it was more likely town.

think about FF on Bessie, you think he faked day 1?

 

[Vicarin]

Clearly Scum's plan of "kill the two people who talk the most to halt discussion" is working seeing as we've only had about 2 pages so far today.

Can we get an ETA on Maven being replaced or modkilled?

I'd still like people to say who they think a 3 person Mafia team would be, and who a SK would be (if one exists). Think we've got a small enough suspect pool now that looking at all the possible teams isn't too hard.

 

[Eido]

Chaco If a replacement / modkill happens on Maven, can we vote for an extension?

 

[Trisscar]

Trisscar You think Vic faked his role? What do you think the explanation for the kills is?

Not necessarily, he could still be vanillizer. Mafia presumably does not HAVE to kill, though it would be an odd thing for them to choose that tempo. Might also be that their factional kill is every other night due to size of game, or that it doesn't happen first night, though both of those are unlikely.
Unno. Ignoring mechanics those are my thoughts on them. Mech is weird.

Ignore roles outside of eido and mala.

who do you think you want to vote and why do you want to go that direction? You are suspicious of everyone but then who sticks out the most?

....Frozen or Maven, except Frozen wanted to shoot bessie (supposedly), and Maven does not exist. I hate these choices.

Curious why not one way or another? For me I tend to think on odds and then looking at information what is probable or a likely outcome.

this is why I thought Ryker was not lying as a mason claim, odds were even if he were lying it was more likely town.

think about FF on Bessie, you think he faked day 1?

One way or other?

Ehhhhh, effective odds require better knowledge of game state usually, hate to use em D1.

I've had mafia teammates act all aggro and rude to distance D1. If that is the case here (have not read thread still), then Frozen would have two major choices:
1. Backtrack in an apologetic manner (or leave off), after someone points out in thread that they're being aggro or rude.
2. Keep pushing forward and go whole hog to get town cred.

Frankly I'd say that the possibly bussers should be targets today, because null reads don't mean shizz. But Maven is still bugging me with what little I've seen of them.

 

[Malakandra]

We also know Wam was telling the truth about attempting to jail me. Meaning for the vanilla to go through itd have to be a strongman or Wam was actually roleblocked by a mafia member.

 

[Trisscar]

Ryu's flavor has room for a roleblock.

 

[fontisian]

What happens is Ryu is roleblocked when he tries to deploy the totem?

 

[Trisscar]

That sounds like a mod question.

 

[fontisian]

It's a Ryu question.