Yes. There is no rule barring that action, but would be considered playing against WinCon.
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Yes. There is no rule barring that action, but would be considered playing against WinCon.
I wouldn't go so far as to say I "know" Sabrar but I do have a couple games with him under my belt and Sab's increased expressiveness and openness in this game felt off, here are some examples of what I would have expected more of:Can you explain for players like me who would be unfamiliar here? You seem to know Sabrar.
You've articulated your suspicion on Xivii but haven't committed with a vote yet. Is there a reason you're holding your vote?
Incorrect because reasons.
However, in contrast we have:There is purpose behind the madness.
with the following response from another XKCDerI feel Xivii is getting desperate if he wants wam's help to yeet me while he himself is voting wam. He's not even reacting to the points I made.
- he wants flavor claim with an argument that makes no sense and for which there is no town-motivation
- he lives in the moment and doesn't have progression from his past self. This is shown a) by him discarding entirely his page 1 read on bessie in favor of a 'not voting' sus (which he should know from Sumthing - that he likes to bring up - is not relevant) and b) by not remembering what his earlier stance on the claiming was.
- he misrepresents my attack on him by wanting to get favors with Eido (wrong because timeline). Also Malak independently had the same suspicion as me and because of that this should be taken as a legit read. However he's not acknowledging that, he treats Malak gently because he's confirmed but he's attributing malice to me.
additionally there's the LAMIST from early in the game with the rolling laughing emoji which seemed entirely out of character for Sab, he just isn't that whimsical in my experienceVote xivii
I havent seen a case that thourpigh my sabrar day 1 as town for a long time. So I'm convinced 1 of them is scum. Good news if XV flips scum sabrar is town.
it's another deviation from the baseline I was expecting given his play as a town neighborizer in the most recent completed game on this site, Things I Like Mafia. Wam massively coasted that game, was on the chopping block twice in early game and still managed to coast his way out of those yeets, and still continued to be mostly checked out by the time the game got to 4v1 and then 2v1. I distinctly do not recall much impassioned/highly motivated play coming from Wam in things I like so here where I was perceiving him to have some fire under his ass and him being aggro on the lynch all liars thing (which I now realize was him being sarcastic and trying to make a point about dogmatic adherence to lynch all liars) felt very out of character. so tl;dr, Wam's baseline deviation is a bad thing imo and pings scummy but the aggro portion of that read re: lynch all liars i've now disregarded given my mistaken read of his post that I thought was aggro but was in fact just sarcasmWhat does this mean for Wam? Is this a good/bad thing? Seems to have generated a strong response from you.
is this a joke or legit? Because Sab's LAMIST def pinged for me
because he confirmed that he was being legit re: his shared read that Sab's LAMIST was scummy and he was being attentive to slots that he perceived as ignoring him and not letting non-responsiveness go unnoticed which is something I generally pay a lot of attention to as I'm sure you've picked up on at this pointLegit
Also doubly suspicious that both have now ignored me.
Sabrar normally loves any excuse to vote me day 1.
I've only payed in one game with Wam and my takeaway from that game, Things I Like, is that town!Wam is awful at looking towny. Wam was in my can-go pile the entire ****ing game. this game I would've been inclined to town lean Wam in a vacuum, but his deviation from expected baseline pings hardI have noticed this as well. Wam is one of those players who actually does often come across townier when they are mafia, so he is definitely someone I'm looking closely at right now.
what's your take on her response my callout of the fluffyness? it's entirely deflectionThe fluffy posting is a bad sign for her though. She is a very analytical player and thinks very deeply about the game. She usually does not post very much, but her posts are very high quality.
There’s not one other post in this entire game that you would consider fluffier? Not one? Even Maven’s #193 which is his entire game content thus far?
this entirely checks our with how ryker has been playing this game. He's far less aggro than a ryker without a reliable way to self clear would be playing. belies an inner confidence that he doesn't need to browbeat the town into submission because he has a friend to help him move wagons where he wants and additionally that same slot can help prevent kneejerk blowback misyeet on ryker his one of his powerplays goes south. I didn't want to say anything early on to out him as a strong PR but it was immediately obvious after a few pages in that he had something in his back pocket that warranted a style adjustment that shouldn't be very subtle to people with experience playing with himMe too. And with Sabby hinting at it, I want to see a claim. Especially since I claim Town Mason.
legitimately both and I can't decide which is the better play. I originally was preferring Wam because his play is deviating from baseline more than Sabs, but that could me being biased and salty because 1.) out inability to get a read on wam in Things I Like was a major factor in us losing to fonti and co. and 2.) I have a great deal of personal sympathy for people who get NK'd N1 a lot having lived thru that experience myself and as such I was very reluctant to yeet Sab D1 given the fact he died N1 in Things I Like and generally speaking I feel like I've have no real opportunity to learn how to read him and him constantly being elim'd early makes developing that skill extremely difficult and tbh kinda lame considering he's a strong, competent player that I just want to see more gameplay from
Please yeet Xivii.
UtopianPoyzin you should address the bolded in your first post and you take on why your predecessor felt it important to leave a pro Xiivi yeet note upon exitBTW I'm a Double-voter (with some minor complications).
Ok. Let me be more explicit. You’re buddying LaserGuy from his opening post onward.Because in the two posts presented to me, you had one nebulous comment on which you didn't take a very strong stance and LaserGuy posted a more thought out conclusion that sounded more sure of himself. Uncertain how you could read that any differently.
Your entire argument is faulty. I did not even notice the color. It’s not like I was hmmm, blue, is mine blue too?It shouldn't be hard to guess the reason that I believe this to be the case. But color-coding alignments is standard here. Green is more conventionally Town though. I just find it odd that when you weren't sure if that was Malakandra's role or flavor, that you didn't consult your own role PM to check.
Yes, it’s NAI for Vicarin. You’re missing my point. This is different behavior for Vicarin, and some players that I expected to note this difference didn’t note it.Vicarin was scum in B99 and Town in Stellaris so it seems kind of a wash to me.
I think this discussion between Sabrar and Vicarin is within their interests, by which I mean it is something which makes the game interesting for both of them, and at this level is NAI.
Interesting, again you didn’t want to read stuff I linked, but when LaserGuy asks you for something……I'll have to make enough time to read today then.
It appears I’m not the one who can’t control my nastier base instincts.
bessie what was Sabrar referencing here and why did you not respond to it?PS: since I'm town bessie won't get the chance to vote me off.
And respond to this:Bruh. Changing the color serves the same purpose as bolding something -- it distinguishes it as something important. How did you not notice that it was a different color than everything else when you were focused on looking for characteristics that distinguished it???
bessie pinged me initially because she missed my secret townie handshake.
I know and I got my well-deserved flak for this sentiment in a past game. I find wam's attack on fonti a bit weird because to me it seemed like fonti posted a bunch and then went to bed or something before the discussion picked up speed. I also got a small ping from one of Vicarin's responses about reading some old game. Those are the thing currently rattling in my recollection, which is the best metric of notability I can come up with.who do you find most suspicious for in-game reasons? (Not knowing how to read someone isn't an in-game reason).
I read a couple pages, realised it was too long to read in one sitting and then never got back to it because of all the other distractions at my disposal.Did you not read B99 recently?
Honestly, a page one read has about the same chance of being correct as a coin toss. Do you really expect Xivii to treat it as a guiding light for the rest of the day?he lives in the moment and doesn't have progression from his past self. This is shown a) by him discarding entirely his page 1 read on bessie in favor of a 'not voting' sus (which he should know from Sumthing - that he likes to bring up - is not relevant) and b) by not remembering what his earlier stance on the claiming was.
Also can you answer this:
Ok fine. On xkcd we had an explicit rule against discussing the specific format aspects of the role PM. But if we are going to make this about the format of my role PM, so be it.Bruh. Changing the color serves the same purpose as bolding something -- it distinguishes it as something important. How did you not notice that it was a different color than everything else when you were focused on looking for characteristics that distinguished it???
09. You can not post screenshots containing any private data, or reference any private data such as the time a PM was sent, etc. You can not directly quote any PMs from the mod or reference any pictures. Screenshots of personal notes are OK to post, as long as they contain no mod data.
I'm not asking anything about the role PMs. I don't care about your role color. It has nothing to do with the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that his role was distinctive from the rest of the text. It's weird that you're not acknowledging that. Are we reading the same opening post? How is it being blue not the same thing as it being bolded (and it was bolded, but that's not the point I guess).
Yes, yes I am.Dude, you're being an ass. Call Sabrar what he wants to be called.
Somi's town. I really doubt scum!Somi thinks it's a good idea to question town!Ryker's mason claim, and I'm pretty sure Ryker is town anyway.On the topic of the claims so far, I feel like IC, Masons and doublevoter seems to be a lot of power on the town side. I'm not familiar with Ryker's style, so I can't gauge if what Frozen said about the aggro tone is true, although logically it makes sense. The thing twisting my brain into a knot is the possibility of a gambit as wam suggested, especially since Ryker admitted to pulling some pretty wild ones in the past. I'd find it kind of weird that scum-Ryker would so readily provide examples of gambits as scum, but maybe that's part of the crazy gambit?
I am asking you to please stop.Yes, yes I am.
If I'm misgendering someone, then that's one thing. Let me know and I'll stop. If I'm being a bigot in general, then I should be made to **** right off. If you can't handle someone giving you a condescending nickname in a game where manipulating the other person's response is a primary part of the game, then that's on my boy, Sabby.
No. A sample has been provided for Role PM in the opening post (As well as win conditions for Town and Mafia). You may not directly quote to the thread or screenshot your Role PM. All information shared from Role PM besides direct names of roles, abilities, etc must be paraphrased.
As I already said in Posts #140, #262, and #412, I did not even notice the different colors in that post (check: some text and two player names in blue, 12 player names in orange). I don't pay close attention to the colors in posts on this forum, unless I specifically think about it. Town is blue, so is Xivii and Red Ryu. Most player names and links are orange. Some forum members have custom text colors. Skim: You are using colors in #54 and #241. fonti has used colors to vote but has used blue and red. More colors scattered throughout the thread. There are a lot of quotes of Xivii's posts with colors in them. Also, I’m surprised at your failure to recognize that this can’t be discussed without discussion of my role PM or the context is lost.I'm not asking anything about the role PMs. I don't care about your role color. It has nothing to do with the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that his role was distinctive from the rest of the text. It's weird that you're not acknowledging that. Are we reading the same opening post? How is it being blue not the same thing as it being bolded (and it was bolded, but that's not the point I guess).
1) Sabrar claimed town in his opening post. So did fonti. So have you in the past. So has Sabrar in the past.bessie nevermind about that question. I'm more interested in:
1) What did Sabrar mean by being town meant you couldn't lynch him? I get that he was referring to that pre-game post, but what's the reference to being town? Please feel free to explain like I'm 5 if the obviousness of the joke is just going over my head.
2) Why did you not respond to it?
3) Why did you not respond to Laser's handshake thing?
4) What is your current read on Ryker with the Mason claim? Do you find it believable? Is he still a good lynch for today?
I voted for you for being non-town. You would not respond to my questions re Post #33. In the previous post up to #33, Malakandra was mod confirmed, fonti and Sabrar claimed town, Xivii declared me town. You make this post:Bessie, are you voting me because you believe I am scum or because you dislike me?
This implies that you have accepted at least some of these as clears. Why? You refused to respond to any of my questions regarding this. I am considering that your refusal is recognition by you that you slipped.How many clears does it take to make a mass claim worth doing?