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[Mew2King]

Keitaro every other good character in this game is boring as ****. DDD was boring, he's just bairs and CGs, falcos just camping and CGs, olimar is camping with pikmin, diddy is camping behind bananas, ICs are CG to death, pikachu is CG to death, every other character is even gayer than MK is, I don't want to play this game without MK. Not only is he all I play but he's probably my favorite character to fight against, and he doesn't deserve to be banned either, at all. It's simply popular vote here for obvious reasons.

 

[Heartstring]

Keitaro every other good character in this game is boring as ****. DDD was boring, he's just bairs and CGs, falcos just camping and CGs, olimar is camping with pikmin, diddy is camping behind bananas, ICs are CG to death, pikachu is CG to death, every other character is even gayer than MK is, I don't want to play this game without MK. Not only is he all I play but he's probably my favorite character to fight against, and he doesn't deserve to be banned either, at all. It's simply popular vote here for obvious reasons.

then DONT use a good character
im telling you, not good but still viable characters are the dogs ********
also did you see the hype that is had when a someone using an average or worse character goes really far?
that hype could be yours again!

 

[GDX]

No char is fun but the best one? That must be what all the yun mains feel like

 

[Player-1]

Wow, M2K sure does such an insightful and philosophical approach to this game

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Pikachu is only CG to Death on like 7-8 people, and only half are viable.

 

[stingers]

Also marth fits your playstyle pretty well m2k, give him a shot.

Especially without mk there to **** him anymore, his flaws are not as big a deal anymore =]

ALSO, isai and pc chris?! Omfg hype

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

M2K, pick up Ganon.

If you make a circle out of the tier list, he's the closest to MK.

 

[Sinji]

That must be what all the yun mains feel like

I am deeply offended.

 

[Strong Badam]

Just registered for melee singles/ doubles and 64 singles :D

I AM PLAYING YOU
END OF STORY

 

[Heartstring]

M2K, pick up Ganon.

If you make a circle out of the tier list, he's the closest to MK.

alternatively, if you turn your screen upside-down ganon becomes god-tier, just like mk used to be

 

[Mew2King]

im explaining why I don't want to play without him. No other good characters are fun, nor suit my style. And I'm not that good with brawl marth, nor do I enjoy him. I can't stand playing him. Nothing combos into each other except grab release. It doesn't feel deep at all, the way Melee is. Idk how else to explain it any better than this really. I don't think the game is good without MK.

 

[mikeHAZE]

Wow, M2K sure does such an insightful and philosophical approach to this game

^Player-1

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

He's not going to win Apex, I am. Absolutely 0 mercy.

HYPEHYPEHYPE

top level players where you at!

 

[Heartstring]

im explaining why I don't want to play without him. No other good characters are fun, nor suit my style. And I'm not that good with brawl marth, nor do I enjoy him. I can't stand playing him. Nothing combos into each other except grab release. It doesn't feel deep at all, the way Melee is. Idk how else to explain it any better than this really. I don't think the game is good without MK.

once again, dont use a good character. it makes life much more fun
help get ganon off the bottom of the tier list

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Make ganon top tier.

 

[Divinokage]

That's my role.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

That's my role.

lol, do you even play Brawl?

 

[stingers]

im explaining why I don't want to play without him. No other good characters are fun, nor suit my style. And I'm not that good with brawl marth, nor do I enjoy him. I can't stand playing him. Nothing combos into each other except grab release. It doesn't feel deep at all, the way Melee is. Idk how else to explain it any better than this really. I don't think the game is good without MK.

I was under the impression you weren't of that way of thought o.O I think that you're problem is you're too used to your melee marth to change over. It's very difficult to use the same character in both games (I tried maining peach in both for a bit), but it's easily doable if you put your mind to it =p.

I just don't see how a system where your opponent has more options to counter your follow-ups at any given moment is less deep then a system where your opponent has less options. Your main problem is that you're resistant to the change. You clearly enjoy the smash-style gameplay a lot. And you may say your interest is dying, but I don't believe that for a [second. You love smash. The only thing that's died is your motivation, because you ran out of goals to achieve. You lost your desire to be the best when you had it clenched under your fist so thoroughly.

The only thing you need is a new set of goals. You may feel like you've already proven yourself, but the vast majority of us are concerned with more than just that you win or lost, but how you achieved it. You may see no problem with using MK (since you did, in fact, create the character from the ground up. Nobody's arguing that, believe me haha), but you have to realize that you just made a lapse in judgment by pushing a character with limitless potential to its limits. That wasn't bound to end well for anybody.

And while this'll all probably just go in one ear and out the other, you've always been one of my favorite players (your dedication is absolutely astounding and incredibly inspiring), so if there's any hope of you continuing your brawl career after apex, I'd love to at least try and make it happen . If not, well, it was fun while it lasted...

 

[Heartstring]

but you have to realize that you just made a lapse in judgment by pushing a character with limitless potential to its limits. That wasn't bound to end well for anybody.

i love you stingers, but surely youre not suggesting he made a bad choice by tryig to be the best he could?
forgive me if misinterpreting, hard day at work

 

[Mew2King]

starting at square 1 after my 3 year investment has been tarnished is not something I want to do. It's pointless. My entire style with Brawl is already based on MK-specific habits with nothing else involved at all. I don't even play other characters in FRIENDLIES over 99.99% of the time. Asking me to start over now is ridiculous. One of the reasons I wanted to get good super super early, which was my entire goal since I heard about Brawl being release on the smash dojo, was to become the best at the game, and turn it into a job. I felt the best way to do this was to just put all my efforts into just 1 character, and master them in every aspect that I can. I went as far as to take 2 years off of college just to do this. Had I not done this, I probably would almost be done my BA by now, but I'm still just half way through my assoc. cuz of this. I planned to live off the game, so I went and tried to get skills enough just for this game, just for this character, so that I would be as difficult to defeat as possible. Basically I was a little TOO successful in this endevor, and now it is worse than if I never took off college to begin with. I never should have done that I realize now, but I didn't think the community would be dumb enough to do this 3 and a half years into the game's release (even though across the span of the whole world, it's pretty split up overall).

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Look man.

There's only one thing you can be.

The very ****ing best.

Like no one ever was.

 

[Heartstring]

its not really square one though, youve probably got better knowledge of this game and its physics than anyone else. you can probably continue to make money off this even after the ban

inversely, if you plan on finishing with brawl after apex then best make it a cracker to go out on

 

[Mew2King]

being punished for an immense amount of hard work really ****ing blows. I entirely regret it now. I could have done much better with my life if I had put it into something else since hard work in something else to that degree would have resulted in long-term success (like a career)

By the way, you guys suck for wanting brood to beat me last apex after i put on a USA tag. When mango puts on a USA tag his own country does not want him to lose, let alone his own state.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Smash is a career.

 

[Heartstring]

being punished for an immense amount of hard work really ****ing blows. I entirely regret it now. I could have done much better with my life if I had put it into something else since hard work in something else to that degree would have resulted in long-term success (like a career)

By the way, you guys suck for wanting brood to beat me last apex after i put on a USA tag. When mango puts on a USA tag his own country does not want him to lose, let alone his own state.

well, hindsight is 20/20

and i'm english. i just wanted to see cool stuff to watch, flying under delphion all day isnt fun to watch XD

 

[KageMurphy]

^Player-1

Lol, his name is Hunter, what a queer.

 

[Mew2King]

so fix the rules. Stop having a super small timer with dumb stages on. Do you realize that every character's best way to win in this game is to camp? It simply looks gayer with MK. Snake's best strat is to camp with grenades after holding a lead. Olimar's best strategy is to pivot grab and throw pikmin. Diddy's best strategy is to hide behind a banana after getting the lead (or even if you don't have one, and just camp the entire time, and then complain when you get timed out because they camped when they were losing and expected them to stupidly approach into them like I used to do to adhd back in 2009). ICs best strategy is to GRAB YOU ONCE THEN KILL YOU. Vinnie and 9b/kakera have consistently gotten 1st/2nd when using this strategy lately, and it's very powerful, but everyone will underrate them because they are less common. If you air dodge into the ground to approach any of these characters and they expect it, they can ALL punish you VERY, VERY hard. You get punished for approaching if they are playing right. Larry forward Bd to the other side of the stage every time he fought me, yet nobody called him gay even though he played as gay as falco can play, and getting a lead back like that is very hard. There are so many freaking really really good characters in this game, and the best strategy with all of them is to camp, but you're all too biased against MK to see that, so you say when he is not there it is suddenly more fun even though it is no different.

 

[dmbrandon]

so fix the rules. Stop having a super small timer with dumb stages on. Do you realize that every character's best way to win in this game is to camp? It simply looks gayer with MK. Snake's best strat is to camp with grenades after holding a lead. Olimar's best strategy is to pivot grab and throw pikmin. Diddy's best strategy is to hide behind a banana after getting the lead (or even if you don't have one, and just camp the entire time, and then complain when you get timed out because they camped when they were losing and expected them to stupidly approach into them like I used to do to adhd back in 2009). ICs best strategy is to GRAB YOU ONCE THEN KILL YOU. Vinnie and 9b/kakera have consistently gotten 1st/2nd when using this strategy lately, and it's very powerful, but everyone will underrate them because they are less common. There are so many freaking really really good characters in this game, and the best strategy with all of them is to camp, but you're all too biased against MK to see that, so you say when he is not there it is suddenly more fun even though it is no different.

8 minute games are already too long for national appeal. The fact that players are willing to expend this timer multiple times prevents the game from having a future.

 

[Mew2King]

2 stock 6-7 min can be okay too, or 3 stock 10 min

I have already explained to you, that the timer should not be the same as melee. Melee matches in 4 stock 8 minutes go by much quicker than brawl matches because there are so many 0-deaths and defense is more balanced than offense compared to what brawl is. Increasing the timer would not necessarily extend tournaments at all, it would simply discourage timeouts, because people wouldn't want to GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to time out if it was not a viable way to win.

Think of 2 scenarios where scenario 1 has 1 minute left on the clock in a close game, and scenario 2 has 3 minutes left on the clock in a close game. In scenario 2, going for a timeout is going to be a hard way to win, and trying to win with that goal is pointless since it won't happen, but in scenario 1, you can just buy time and try to run away. The match may even last longer (the full minute, instead of say, 30 seconds that it would have normally took) because of that. It won't be negative for the game.

I've been trying to fix the rules for 2 years in BBR but it's always voted down (rules like, getting rid of rainbow cruise and brinstar, and increasing the timer) by the same members from BBR that kept voting to ban MK. The intentions were obvious. Both my rules would have balanced the game better, and then after 2 years (and even while IN BBR these guys said this) those same people complain about he's too good with 8 min timer, or too good with certain stages, which is what I've been trying to get rid of this entire time.

 

[Heartstring]

well of course it is, the games just defensive naturally
but with how strong some characters camping games are, extending the timer is jsut going to make it last even longer

besides, im just a small time host from an area of the world that the urc doesnt even acknowledge, what the hell am i going to do about it when no-one wants to listen XD

 

[DRDN]

2 stock 6-7 min can be okay too, or 3 stock 10 min

Is your response to the 8 minute matches being too long to add 2 more minutes? Or take off a whole stock and 1 minute?

Play a new char and get better with them








Ally is the best NA Smasher

 

[Mew2King]

you're an idiot. you don't just play only one character for 36 months and then be told to get better, when using any other character at that point would be the same as starting from scratch, except while most other players are 3 years into the metagame. That is gay.

and 3 stock 10 minutes, or 2 stock 6-7 minutes, are both okay.

 

[Heartstring]

you're an idiot. you don't just play only one character for 36 months and then be told to get better, when using any other character at that point would be the same as starting from scratch, except while most other players are 3 years into the metagame. That is gay.

and 3 stock 10 minutes, or 2 stock 6-7 minutes, are both okay.

once again, would kind of agree, but i find it hard to believe that the ONLY character youve ever played with is mk, there was that whole fiasco with you using lucario and people claiming you were sandbagging (which was stupid for people to make a deal over in the first place) so i dunno, perhaps you could try after the ban kicks in, i mean whats teh worst that could happen

 

[DRDN]

Except its not from sctratch its 3 years into the metagame and you've been studing all of it

I'm telljng you to adapt that is all if you don't you'll lose

And no the 3 stock isnt fine if the 8 minutes is too long already

 

[Divinokage]

Umm.. you have to re-learn match-ups and you have to re-understand how your character works.. yes that does take a lot of time, don't spout nonsense.

 

[Mew2King]

Lucario? What are you talking about? Whoever said that was entirely making that up. Most characters in this game I've only put about 10 minutes into, since release. And it was mainly from one player mode. My 2nd best character is falco, and I don't think I've put more than 10 hours into him since the game's release. If I did, it's not much more than that. My 2nd most used character is DDD, and the last time I put practice into him was the week after FAST1, in summer 2008. I've only put time into MK since then. In friendlies, I often pick random custom stages, or random neutrals or smashville, and then continue just playing friendlies only using MK. I told myself long ago, even BEFORE Brawl's release, that the best thing I could do was to focus on one character and just master them. That is the honest truth, I am seriously not lying.

 

[Heartstring]

Lucario? What are you talking about? Whoever said that was entirely making that up. Most characters in this game I've only put about 10 minutes into, since release. And it was mainly from one player mode. My 2nd best character is falco, and I don't think I've put more than 10 hours into him since the game's release. If I did, it's not much more than that. My 2nd most used character is DDD, and the last time I put practice into him was the week after FAST1, in summer 2008. I've only put time into MK since then. In friendlies, I often pick random custom stages, or random neutrals or smashville, and then continue just playing friendlies only using MK. I told myself long ago, even BEFORE Brawl's release, that the best thing I could do was to focus on one character and just master them. That is the honest truth, I am seriously not lying.

oh well i remember reading loads of crap on you apparently usng lucario in pools, and then people lost their **** and started amking claims of deliberate sandbagging, i dunno i didnt read too much into it

and man i didnt claim you were lying, no ned to get defensive on me XD
still, that probably is the best way to go about it. but the current scenario of mk becoming banned in most places is hard for a single guy to change. so if you make an attempt at learning a new character or several characters (you could always go down the same route as you did in melee) it could potentially still earn you a bit of money (although probably not as much as before) which is better than quitting it entirely and not earning anything from it

 

[t3h Icy]

The players that always claim to just learn a new character tend to be the players that can't even use one character.

 

[Mew2King]

The difference with Melee is I really, really really enjoy Melee. I've played the game for nearly 3 and a half years BEFORE I started tournaments, with a huge variety of characters. I played that game for a total of over 6000 hours. As far as 1 individual character goes, it's not even close to that, probably 1000 or so for marth or someone, but in Brawl, I spent about 3000 hours playing (or 2000-3000 range), and 99% is just one character. To make it even better, I started off Brawl with an incredible amount of melee skill. For those curious, yes, a large amount of skill DOES carry over and I feel like it gave me a huge advantage, as proven by my dominance with MK, dominance with DDD, and always winning low tier tournaments with ike for the entire year+ duration that inui hosted them). To ask me to start over now is ridiculous. It would be much smarter to wait until smash 4 at this point, and do something else, which is what I plan to do.

 

[Divinokage]

The players that always claim to just learn a new character tend to be the players that can't even use one character.

Well I thought I'd be nice but.. unfortunately the perspective of a top player is obviously with the top player standard. You can't simply learn a new character to beat EVERYONE. =P