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Anything Can Change! Chrom for SSB4 - Closing Remarks, and an Invitation

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I'll be on the support list.

Also Robin and Chrom are actually about equal in main character status, really. I mean I see Chrom with a bit more of a chance first but...
The problem presented by a customizable character really kills Robin's chances in my eyes, unfortunately. Even the much discussed "hood over the eyes" approach fails to solve this issue due to the problem of differing genders while representing the character's personality poorly.

Nintendo could simply bite the bullet and just include the default male Robin, but why would they do that and make a lot of people unhappy when they can just include Chrom or Lucina instead?
 
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We already have a "player character" in Villager, Robin as yet another when Chrom has far more personality seems unlikely. Sakurai doesn't like having very similar characters.
 

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We already have a "player character" in Villager, Robin as yet another when Chrom has far more personality seems unlikely. Sakurai doesn't like having very similar characters.
To be fair, MU is only an "avatar" character insofar as you can customize his appearance. The character has a set, fairly in-depth personality and story arc that the player has no control over, aside from marriage.
 
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True, but Chrom still is far more set in terms of story and development than Robin.
 

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There's no way to know if it'd make people unhappy. In most regions, the game just came out a few months ago.
Speaking as someone who has completed Awakening, I certainly wouldn't be incredibly unhappy, but I'd be displeased to see the generic anime pretty-boy Robin instead of the older, long-haired fantasy warrior who I spent 40 or 50 hours with. It would feel odd. I suspect that many other people would feel the same. I'm sure we'd still play and like the character, but why bother including a character that will be somewhat discomfiting due to clashing with players' personal perception of them when Chrom and Lucina are readily available?
 

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Speaking as someone who has completed Awakening, I certainly wouldn't be unhappy, but I'd be displeased to see the generic anime pretty-boy Robin instead of the older, long-haired fantasy warrior who I spent 40 or 50 hours with. I suspect that many other people would feel the same. I'm sure we'd still play and like the character, but why bother including a character that will be somewhat discomfiting due to clashing with players' personal perception of them when Chrom and Lucina are readily available?
Can we just throw Lucina out of the picture? It's probably not happening over Chrom and Robin.

Simple, because it can work. Robin or Chrom pretty much can easily work. I don't have a preference over which one, but we really have no idea or basis that makes Sakurai likely to pick one over the other. Every other game has a for sure lord, this one has two. Zing.

Despite that though, just based on gut feeling alone I think he'll go for Chrom.
 

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Can we just throw Lucina out of the picture? It's probably not happening over Chrom and Robin.

Simple, because it can work.
It can work, but it can't work as easily as Chrom and it has the potential for fan backlash, so why bother?

Lucina could easily happen over Robin, and maybe even over Chrom. The only thing holding her back is her extreme visual similarity to Marth.
 

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Speaking as someone who has completed Awakening, I certainly wouldn't be incredibly unhappy, but I'd be displeased to see the generic anime pretty-boy Robin instead of the older, long-haired fantasy warrior who I spent 40 or 50 hours with. It would feel odd. I suspect that many other people would feel the same. I'm sure we'd still play and like the character, but why bother including a character that will be somewhat discomfiting due to clashing with players' personal perception of them when Chrom and Lucina are readily available?
My avatar is middle sized with slicked back brown hair. I honestly would not mind in the slightest if he appeared with his default white hair. From what I've seen the people who support Robin don't seem to mind too much either (though the hood option is brought up very often). I think if any of them were given the choice between the default Robin and no robin at all, they would gladly go with the default.
 

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My avatar is middle sized with slicked back brown hair. I honestly would not mind in the slightest if he appeared with his default white hair. From what I've seen the people who support Robin don't seem to mind too much either (though the hood option is brought up very often). I think if any of them were given the choice between the default Robin and no robin at all, they would gladly go with the default.
That's fair! The hood option is pretty pointless because Robin will still have a clear gender. Better to just go with the default than mess around with a hood and make him look evil.
 

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Deal with this quote in the OP:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/17/44...director-masahiro-sakurai-character-selection

Be as thorough and persuasive as possible, because it's by far the biggest hindrance to Chrom getting into Smash 4.
Its only a problem if Ike stays.
To me, this issue falls on both Chrom's supporters and Ike's supporters to solve. If they are deemed too similar, it might not mean that Chrom doesn't make it in, it could mean that Ike gets the boot.
That's fair! The hood option is pretty pointless because Robin will still have a clear gender. Better to just go with the default than mess around with a hood and make him look evil.
Hood+pick a gender or Hood+gender selection.

Also I don't think the hood really makes him look evil. There's a lot of white in his outfit and his dialogue and actions will speak far louder than his outfit if hes in game.
 

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I would be against "pick a gender" being an option, as that requires the team to do two full sets of models and voice acting for only one moveset. That seems like a bit of a waste of resources, as while MU would be cool there is no justification for him to receive that much attention in comparison to other characters.

Shadowy hood over face pretty much screams "evil!", and while of course his dialogue would run counter to this, you then encounter the problem of thematic jumbling.
 

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Its only a problem if Ike stays.
To me, this issue falls on both Chrom's supporters and Ike's supporters to solve. If they are deemed too similar, it might not mean that Chrom doesn't make it in, it could mean that Ike gets the boot.
If that's the case, then it's still up to Chrom supporters to explain why he should be given preference over Ike.

And right now, I don't see why that should be the case at all. And this is coming from someone who wouldn't care if Ike doesn't return, but feels he should return because he has more importance/popularity than Chrom.
 

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If that's the case, then it's still up to Chrom supporters to explain why he should be given preference over Ike.

And right now, I don't why that should be the case at all. And this is coming from someone who wouldn't care if Ike doesn't return, but feels he should return because he has more importance/popularity than Chrom.
Does he have more popularity than Chrom? I know that at least in the magazine poll Sakurai posted on Twitter, Chrom outranked Ike in popularity by one or two places.

Ike's certainly got more popularity within Smash, but within the FE franchise as a FE rep, I dunno. Chrom is riding the tidal wave of Awakening hype pretty high right now.
 

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It can work, but it can't work as easily as Chrom and it has the potential for fan backlash, so why bother?
You're not Sakurai or any of the other producer's, so I can't see that reasoning. He can easily be given a moveset, and fan backlash... Yeah that's something they don't know.

Lucina could easily happen over Robin, and maybe even over Chrom. The only thing holding her back is her extreme visual similarity to Marth.
She was only in half of the game for a start.
 

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I would be against "pick a gender" being an option, as that requires the team to do two full sets of models and voice acting for only one moveset. That seems like a bit of a waste of resources, as while MU would be cool there is no justification for him to receive that much attention in comparison to other characters.

Shadowy hood over face pretty much screams "evil!", and while of course his dialogue would run counter to this, you then encounter the problem of thematic jumbling.
Then it would probably be male, the default gender (selection starts on male, NoA site uses male as the main portrait, and stuff).
Anyways, If sakurai decides Robins a good choice, this stuff probably wont stop him. Also note that the villager could be female and look completely different.
 

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Well in terms of importance, I meant importance in FE series in general... In terms of popularity, I meant in terms of the majority of people, not just pureblood FE fans. Also I still feel in terms of "actual" FE fans I feel Ike is still more popular. I put "actual" in quotes because FE Awakening was a large number of people's first FE game... So of course they're going to support Chrom more than any other lord. I'm not so convinced these people are actually going to stick with the series. If Chrom is still as popular as he is now 3-4 years from now(without any other major game appearances), then I'd be surprised to be honest.

But uh, yeah. Not trying to step on any toes or whatever, just speaking my mind right now. Like I said, I wouldn't really mind if Chrom replaced Ike in Smash 4... I just don't feel it should happen, and that it seems unlikely to me.
 

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Well in terms of importance, I meant importance in FE series in general... In terms of popularity, I meant in terms of the majority of people, not just pureblood FE fans. Also I still feel in terms of "actual" FE fans I feel Ike is still more popular. I put "actual" in quotes because FE Awakening was a large number of people's first FE game... So of course they're going to support Chrom more than any other lord. I'm not so convinced these people are actually going to stick with the series. If Chrom is still as popular as he is now 3-4 years from now(without any other major game appearances), then I'd be surprised to be honest.

But uh, yeah. Not trying to step on any toes or whatever, just speaking my mind right now. Like I said, I wouldn't really mind if Chrom replaced Ike in Smash 4... I just don't feel it should happen, and that it seems unlikely to me.
Yeah, that's fair. Personally, I think that we could easily see the series bump to 3 slots, although it seems natural enough to me for the rotation of the newest FE Lord to continue.

As far as popularity goes, representatives are aimed at fans of a series, so I do think that their opinions should be given more weight than people who have played the franchise in Smash but not the games themselves. Still, I haven't seen much data on the current popularity of FE lords.
 

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Back on page 10, there was an argument that Chrom can't use magic.
Well, he CAN, technically with a Dread Scroll, thus making him a Dread Fighter. This class also gives him access to axes.
But its a DLC class, so its non-canon and unlikely to be used.

Anyway, I feel like experimenting in a new Chrom move set, since I was disappointed with my previous set. I'll be working on that.

Also, just for reference in future arguments, the following are ALL the weapons that Chrom can use, be it DLC or not.
-Swords
-Spears
-Lances
-Javelins
-Tomahawks
-Axes
-Hand Axes
-Bows and Arrows
-Longbows
-Tomes
 

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Realistically speaking, Chrom will only use Swords in his moveset.
I say a spear is entirely possible as he uses it in his greatlord class. While Ike could use axes once promoted in RD he couldn't use them in PoR which seems to be where most of sakurai's material came from.
 

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Back on page 10, there was an argument that Chrom can't use magic.
Well, he CAN, technically with a Dread Scroll, thus making him a Dread Fighter. This class also gives him access to axes.
But its a DLC class, so its non-canon and unlikely to be used.

Anyway, I feel like experimenting in a new Chrom move set, since I was disappointed with my previous set. I'll be working on that.

Also, just for reference in future arguments, the following are ALL the weapons that Chrom can use, be it DLC or not.
-Swords
-Spears
-Lances
-Javelins
-Tomahawks
-Axes
-Hand Axes
-Bows and Arrows
-Longbows
-Tomes
I feel like making a moveset built around the idea of using a bunch of different weapons doesn't suit him. I feel like that's supposed to be Link's "thing".
 

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A few things I'd like to mention out of nowhere.

When I see arguments pertaining to Chrom being modeled after Ike and Marth or whatever, a lot of those arguments are in favor of Lucina, who looks EXACTLY LIKE MARTH. STFU OR GTFO.

I think Chrom could be made into a unique character. I'm still trying to brainstorm a moveset based entirely on his sword. I will have to take a look back at Awakening to see what abilities he has.

Here's an idea. Considering he can be given Rally as a skill, maybe he could use it to increase a stat in game in Smash Bros.? Like his attack is increased until he is struck or something. There's an idea.

Also, fun fact. Chrom is told in Awakening that he doesn't look like Marth, but a man 1,000 years older. :troll:
 

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Chrom having dread scroll qualities in his moveset will never happen. Just because you can do something in a game if you twist things a specific way doesn't mean they should be represented, technically Chrom can marry a random villager girl if all the other girls he can marry are already married or dead, but that doesn't mean that this random village girl should ever be represented in anything, rather than random trivia.

Lances are a possibility in his moveset, but they will definetly not be featured, the most of his moveset will revolve around different sword techniques.

Another thing I noticed pertaining to the whole main character argument, is that Chrom is the only character that has a talking part in nearly every chapter, while robin is in most of them too, even most of the DLC chapters. Lucina is never in DLC chapters, and is still not featured in every chapter. She might have story significance but she most certainly is not the main character. She has about as many lines as say ri I would say, at least up until the whole valm business is done.

And don't worry about movesets being buried, I am going to look through the entire thread for potential movesets, as I am most certainly not a moveset writer myself.
 

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I remember Radiant Dawn having a wind effect.
I have no freaking idea what is happening in this picture, but it happens to have my favorite fire emblem character ever in it, so I like it. (Unless he is doing Luna)

Also I just had a great idea on how to implement the pair up feature. I think maybe an awakening character say Lucina could be an assist trophy that when called follows the user around, attacking opponents she gets close to and from time to time protecting you from attacks. Seems extremely OP but possible nonetheless.
 

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I think Luna's a great ability to include in any Chrom moveset. It can be easily interpreted in different ways that are different from moves that Marth/Ike have. While I'm too lazy to look right now, I think my moveset had it as an ability that uniquely ignored characters' shields, hurting shielded character but not damaging the shield itself.
 

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I think Luna's a great ability to include in any Chrom moveset. It can be easily interpreted in different ways that are different from moves that Marth/Ike have. While I'm too lazy to look right now, I think my moveset had it as an ability that uniquely ignored characters' shields, hurting shielded character but not damaging the shield itself.
The only thing is, that both Ike and Marth can use Luna as well... So it's not something unique to Chrom.
 

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Doesn't matter if they aren't using it in Smash.
Just shows how awesome of a character Chrom really is for Smash. Using throwaway stat moves from other lords to use for Chrom's best case scenario moveset.

Just so much moveset potential, amirite?
 

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Just shows how awesome of a character Chrom really is for Smash. Using throwaway stat moves from other lords to use for Chrom's best case scenario moveset.

Just so much moveset potential, amirite?
Who the hell said that was a "best case" moveset? Chrom's "best case" moveset for uniqueness and variety is one which revolves around Pair Up.

Chrom has just as much moveset potential as any other FE lord, with Pair Up adding a uniquely Awakening twist to the traditional FE sword moveset.
 

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Who the hell said that was a "best case" moveset? Chrom's "best case" moveset for uniqueness and variety is one which revolves around Pair Up.
All I ever hear about unique and cool movesets for Chrom that people throw out either involves using several weapons(Lances/Axes), which probably won't happen, and using the abilities/skills he has in FE Awakening....... All of which Marth and/or Ike can also use for the most part, lol.
 
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If using abilities that just so happen to be able to be used by another character (though not used in Smash) were an issue, then Smash's potential newcomers from existing series are in deep trouble. :troll:
 

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All I ever hear about unique and cool movesets for Chrom that people throw out either involves using several weapons(Lances/Axes), which probably won't happen, and using the abilities/skills he has in FE Awakening....... All of which Marth and/or Ike can also use for the most part, lol.
Luigi has the exact same skills as Mario so we should cut him amirite!?

And you know what else is awesome about this argument? Neither Ike nor Marth can learn Luna haha.

Anyway most of Marth and Ike's moves are just random attacks not based in specific skills. So I expect Chrom to be the same. Also there is no reason he shouldn't be able to use a lance in smash, since he can use lances as a great lord. That doesn't seem unlikely to me.


If using abilities that just so happen to be able to be used by another character (though not used in Smash) were an issue, then Smash's potential newcomers from existing series are in deep trouble. :troll:
Ridley and pit both have wings. Ridley deconfirmed for smash. :troll:
 

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Er, when did I ever say that Chrom would use Dread Fighter moves or use all the weapons I listed? Thats just for reference, like I said. Nothing more.

I think I'll give Chrom an electric-y feel like Ike had a fiery feel. I like the electric more than the wind, but that's just me.
 

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Yeah... I may not be Chrom's biggest fan, but these aren't super compelling arguments against him. Heck, most of Ness's specials he couldn't even use in his own game. I agree that he probably won't be swapping off weapons a bunch... it's entirely possible that he'd get a javelin, bow, or tomahawk for a ranged special, though.

The question isn't whether or not Chrom could be given a moveset that's clearly different from the other Swordlords-- they clearly can. They've done it so far without even basing moves from their actual appearances. While some of the movesets posted in this thread have been derivative, quite a few of them have been unique as well.
The question is whether or not there's someone better for them to pick.
(and that's really more a question for the general FE thread anyway.)

Did Awakening do away with the elemental "Affinity" system? I was looking up what affinity Chrom is for move inspiration but didn't see anything.
 

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If using abilities that just so happen to be able to be used by another character (though not used in Smash) were an issue, then Smash's potential newcomers from existing series are in deep trouble. :troll:
Yup.

Good thing


Luigi has the exact same skills as Mario so we should cut him amirite!?
Great argument and analogy for a newcomer. "HEY GUYS LOOK AT CHROM AND HOW COOL AND UNIQ- Well actually, not really unique... But he could be a clone! That's cool, right...? Right, guys?"

And you know what else is awesome about this argument? Neither Ike nor Marth can learn Luna haha.
Both of them have Luna in specific carnations in Awakening.

And I distinctly remember Aether being the combination of Sol and Luna in Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn.

Anyway most of Marth and Ike's moves are just random attacks not based in specific skills. So I expect Chrom to be the same.
Disagree with this so much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXmbuQDuAlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6GK8sj71rQ

Sakurai just doesn't throw in characters willy-nilly. D:
 
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