An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[CapnJack]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be satisfied with 35-40 characters. That's what I'm expecting, but more would be great.

However, I'm not buying this R.O.B. thing, so I don't believe the roster is only 35 characters. In fact, I'm 99% sure that it's false, no matter how "credible" these members are, because R.O.B. would not be made a playable character. It seems to me like they included him in the SSE for the very reason that they wouldn't have to implement him in other ways.

So, everyone, calm down. We've got some credible information. The leaks from the Wii website, for example. ChaosZero has a big chance of being right as well.

Of course he's being sarcastic, who the hell would like this roster?

Only Sakurai.

What's with all the Sakurai hate? I don't think he's going to let us down. The reason Brawl has so much hype is because of all the great things we've been seeing in the game. And he's the master-mind behind it. There couldn't have been anyone else to do a better job, that's why Nintendo hired him. So far, it's been VERY impressive, and it has potential to be the best game of the year if it meets the hype. But Sakurai didn't promise anything other than make a great game, and it's pretty clear they've been working VERY hard on it (just look at the awesome visuals they're pushing out of the Wii! Look at the HUGE list of composers. Nintendo went all in with resources, and Sakurai went all in with ideas).

I think we all need to let go of our expectations. All the prophets and stuff have brought are hopes either way too high, or gotten us preemptively upset. Everyone needs to forget their preconceived notions, and stop EXPECTING things. Hope for the best, but even if you don't get what you want, the only thing you should expect is a darn good game. And you'll get it, as long as you don't let the hype train ruin your experience.

 

[bd43]

ROB would be cool. Just not the best way to cap off 35.

 

[PkunkFury]

Melee = 8 new movesets

Brawl = anywhere between 14 and 20 new movesets

I'm disappointed by the lack of certain characters too, but some of you are really overexaggerating. Especially the "OMG 2 whole years and delays!!" folks. I think you have no idea how long it takes to make these characters. The delays would not have been used to add to the roster either. By the time of the first delay, they were proabbly just bug testing, and the 2nd delay is purely for marketing reasons.

The real problem with this roster is that we found out about all the good stuff early. But it makes sense. Nintnedo wanted to advertise the game with the cool characters. Snake and Sonic are even hidden in the game, but we know about them already, and why???

 

[Tree Gelbman]

This roster has seriously killed the game for me. Sakurai please do something that deconfirms this roster.

 

[ChronoBound]

It's a combination of a lot of things, really:
* A smaller roster than expected--only 10 more selectable characters than last time
* Disproportionate franchise representation (THREE StarFox reps and only ONE Metroid rep?!)
* Exclusion of numerous popular characters, including those who were listed many times on Sakurai's journal (Ridley, Geno, Krystal)
* Highly questionable character choices (Wolf, R.O.B., Ness (to some))

Yes, what the hell did Star Fox do to deserve three representatives. The last good game in the series was released over 11 years ago. Metroid had a massive resurrection this generation and all it gets is a transformation that is only available via an item. Donkey Jong, Metroid, and Fire Emblem are all more important and popular than Star Fox yet they all got shafted in favor of it.

Also, I think we are just beginning to see the backlash. Once the roster is proven via screenshots and videos, the Smash forums throughout the internet will become a void of hate and despair. Really, its the quality of this roster as opposed to the quantity that makes this roster poor in my opinion.

 

[Darkraid]

Hey, Serebii thinks that this roster is too small... Mmm Food for thought... Anyways thanks Serebii. Always have believed in u. But sometimes, u are being too vague.

 

[silver777]

I agree with everyone else for hating the roster.

 

[Masque]

Mine as well. My trust as far as information has been with you, and I hope that this is true and it is indeed too small...

If your source does ever tell you, Serebii and the game isn't out yet... Can you at the very least tell us if the real roster is bigger or not?

If that's not asking too much.

In all honesty... I find this one to be... depressing. :/

Agreed. Good to know that Serebii came through. Shows them haters...

Depressing is an understatement. I absolutely hate it.

Yes, what the hell did Star Fox do to deserve three representatives. The last good game in the series was released over 11 years ago. Metroid had a massive resurrection this generation and all it gets is a transformation that is only available via an item. Donkey Jong, Metroid, and Fire Emblem are all more important and popular than Star Fox yet they all got shafted in favor of it.

Also, I think we are just beginning to see the backlash. Once the roster is proven via screenshots and videos, the Smash forums throughout the internet will become a void of hate and despair. Really, its the quality of this roster as opposed to the quantity that makes this roster poor in my opinion.

The StarFox bit doesn't make any sense whatsoever, as far as I'm concerned, especially in relation to Metroid. The Prime trilogy redefined the series, and made a huge contribution to the Adventure / FPS genre as a whole. In fact, many praised MP3: Corruption as having the best FPS controls to date--and THAT'S saying something! Fire Emblem getting only two reps is surprising, and I'm not even a fan. Hell, even Donkey Kong deserves more representation than SF, and it means a lot coming from someone who hates K. Rool.

Oh, and the backlash has just begun. The question is: how far will the backlash go? Angry e-mails and phone calls to NoA? Or will it go further: refunded pre-orders, "boycotts" (if you will), etc.?

I agree about the real problem: it's the quality of the roster. Poor choices were made in terms of who was represented and who wasn't. VERY poor choices. Here's to hoping that, by some strange off-chance, it's fake (or at the very least incomplete).

(Or maybe we can just have Boss Mode--compete against other bosses as your favorite boss. )

 

[mike_sandbag]

I agree with Serebii & Darkfur. I hardly ever post, but I spend hours reading the forums on this place. I truly hope there are more than 35 characters in Brawl. I mean, sure, we've got some awesome characters already, but 35 is a pretty small number, and really isn't much more than Melee.

Thanks for sort of hinting info to us Serebii. You rock, and I'll trust any info you dish out. Heck, I've trusted a certain website you are a major part of for years and years and years.

 

[RedrappeR]

Do I need to repost my thing again, or did people not read it the first time? Calm the hell down.

 

[platnum]

I hate this roster...

this game sucksonfirmed.

no geno

no ridley

no isaac

NO MOG!

*IS MAD*

 

[SAMaine]

"Wow...Serebii was right"

Where's the praise I deserve from all the crap some of you people threw at me?

How can we give you praise if you never actually said anything. All you did was hint strongly that Mewtwo got kickled cubicle for Lucario. =P

...

Ok, Serebii, you were right and are awesome!

From what I can tell, the MarkMan/Reno roster is basically a combination of the ChaosZero/NyasaNya/ShadowXOR roster which would get us...

Basically, Wolf, Falco, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, and ROB are in, and that there is a 35 character roster. Combined with what we know (The Dojo + Lucario, Jigglypuff, and Ness) and what is likely is that there is only room for one more fighter is in and he is Luigi.

Now the whole thing is held together only because of that 35 character limit of NyasaNya, but the version she saw could've been an incomplete version obviously from before the FIRST delay. It might've had only 35 characters then, but then came the delay, perhaps the US version of Brawl is some international versions that the Japanese will get later, or perhaps downloadable content like characters and game modes are down the road, but if we are stuck with a 35 Character roster, THAT is it.

Personally, I actually do believe that Nintendo may have more downloadable content for Brawl down the road possibly characters, as Smash is Nintendo's online showcase, and Nintendo HAS to set up the 'microtransaction' part for the third-parties.

Also, I want to see Markman and Reno's posts where they talk about Smash. I can't find them anywhere, and anyone can say anything on the internet. I desire proofiness!

 

[PkunkFury]

Oh no no no no

I meant the Lucario, Jigglypuff reveal from the trailer lol

The roster I am unsure of...my source has yet to reveal the full one to me out of fear that if they do they'd be discovered but I have been trying

My personal belief is that its too small

can you vaguely tell us if you have had reasonable hints of a character that should be on there but isn't?

Also, this roster is tied to a 41 stage limit, so if you could deconfirm that, we can flush this roster as well

 

[mike_sandbag]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea06/modea06_070919h-l.jpg

There's R.O.B. He just isn't up to the caliber of the other playable characters, and (although he is important to Nintendo history) he doesn't warrent a playable character. Plus, he's already confirmed to be a random enemy in the Subspace Army update.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Serebii? Glad to hear you've been vindicated, but you probably shouldn't be speaking just yet. Lucario and Jigglypuff were confirmed, but the death knell hasn't officially sounded for Mewtwo just yet. You should probably keep quiet till the axe has officially fallen for him, huh? And no I'm not desperate here, just thinking logically... or illogically.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea06/modea06_070919h-l.jpg

There's R.O.B. He just isn't up to the caliber of the other playable characters, and (although he is important to Nintendo history) he doesn't warrent a playable character. Plus, he's already confirmed to be a random enemy in the Subspace Army update.

Where does it say that ROB won't be playable as well ANYWHERE on that site?

 

[Luigi player]

ROB is just pointless to me... I really don't care for him.

And I really hope this is not true... though it might be and even if it's not, it will still not be good enough...

I really can't believe it... all the wait and everything, and now this? I can't believe that it sucks so much.
Why do they take out Mewtwo... oh god I hate Lucario. I'm glad Ness is back, buf if you have SUCH s small roster, I guess I'd rather have others...

Oh well... if Star Fox get's also three characters, then DK might get K. Rool *the last hope*, but I guess I shouldn't hope for anything, because it'll just be smashed back to me.

 

[Black/Light]

Yes but I deconfirmed any roster that just had Mewtwo in or had Mewtwo and Lucario and ignored the ones that didn't

Many people correctly inferred it

And I did accidentally slip up a few months ago which was where the whole Lucario "replacing" Mewtwo thing came from

Soo. . .I was RIGGHHTTT!

I STILL don't know WTF they got the bright idle to do that from. . . take one of the most unique melee characters who is one of the few icons of the pokemon series out and add Mr. Blue dog/ jackel

I will TRRYY to be up beat about this roster. . . .

I mained Falco and love that he is back. . . hoping de-cloned (But I would have given him up for Krystal and her staff. . . no new females = SUCKS! In fact, I wonder if Sakurai is twisted enuff to give her staff to one of them like Ness got his moves from his party members . . .)

Wolf. . . (I never liked Mr. Mad Fox. . .but as long as he is unique. . . )

WW Link (It's LINK! It's not even a new character. . .just Y Link in a new art style and de-cloned!!! I don't like that. . .but. . god. . .)

R.O.B (. . . I have no idea how he could work. Im truely sooo confused about how he could work out as a character that I have no comment on him. . .nope, can't even think of a way so bravo brawl devs, you got me stumped. . .and this is coming from me, someone who made a move-set for a tetra bloke)

. . . .I can't go on right now. Im sure my cold insides will chear up once I wake up. Good goddess. . .I would trade SOOOOO many things for just Minda/ Lip and Krystal but its moot now.

Heres hoping for DLC giving us downloadable characters! If they can make Wii WAre than they should be able to make DLC for characters. . .

 

[bd43]

It's not bad, it's just makes the updates look to be stupidly stacked.

He hasn't released a character outside of the Melee starting roster. Yet he's willing to release all of the Brawl characters, most of which are probably secret characters.

They may as well have shown Luigi, Marth, Ganondorf, and Jigglypuff instead.

If this is the final roster, then I can't really understand why half the new character updates were made, and some so early.

Also, to throw it out there, Wolf over Falco would have been fine with me. But both seems like they're stretching the total and rather limited scope of Star Fox's ground fighting, even if Assault expanded rather well upon that. Fox, Wolf, and Krystal would have made it on to my roster. . .

 

[T3h Kaiser]

Personally, I actually do believe that Nintendo may have more downloadable content for Brawl down the road possibly characters, as Smash is Nintendo's online showcase, and Nintendo HAS to set up the 'microtransaction' part for the third-parties.

What has Nintendo done in their very long history that gave you hope of downloadable content for Brawl?

Remember the network adapter for the Gamecube? Yeah...

 

[mike_sandbag]

Where does it say that ROB won't be playable as well ANYWHERE on that site?

It doesn't say he's not playable, but look at the guy... His model isn't up to par with the playable characters.

The site only says "The escort the Ancient Minister brings with him is a R.O.B squad?! There are some that fire beams and others that fire missiles."

That shows that there are a variety of random ROBs to fight against, but not enough to warrent a complete moveset.

 

[CapnJack]

Yes, what the hell did Star Fox do to deserve three representatives. The last good game in the series was released over 11 years ago. Metroid had a massive resurrection this generation and all it gets is a transformation that is only available via an item. Donkey Jong, Metroid, and Fire Emblem are all more important and popular than Star Fox yet they all got shafted in favor of it.

Also, I think we are just beginning to see the backlash. Once the roster is proven via screenshots and videos, the Smash forums throughout the internet will become a void of hate and despair. Really, its the quality of this roster as opposed to the quantity that makes this roster poor in my opinion.

Your opinion is fail and I truly think you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, the roster is a sham, I promise, my sources called Logic and "I'm Always Right" tell me so, and they're a hell of a lot more credible than any prophet.

Second of all, just because you don't like Starfox, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be in. Fire Emblem and Earthbound are pretty much ignored in this country, and Metroid Prime is pretty much ignored in Japan. I'm not sure about Starfox, but I'm sure it has sold decently everywhere, and there have been Starfox games on all Nintendo consoles.

Thirdly, Samus is really the only important character in the Metroid series, and they'd have to think hard to pick a decent one.

Fourthly, you're a fool if you think the quality of Brawl's roster is "worse", because it has WAY more original characters than Melee had, and it has some REALLY exciting ones. Olimar and Pokemon Trainer offer some really compelling gameplay.

Lastly, I don't like you

 

[platnum]

I have info!
its a hoax started by a fake leaker who wanted to stir up the boards...LET THE WITCH HUNT BEGIN!

 

[Boofer]

If you were honestly going to get the game in the first place, but, just because Ridley isn't in it, you decide that it's not worth it... I'm sorry, but that's childish. It's dumb. The roster is fine, they've not only matched Melee's original number without resorting the clones(and I'm talking about the 25 characters revealed so far, not the Falco, Wolf and Ness fest...) AND given you a speculated 240 hour adventure mode. Are you honestly going to tell me, because of one small ****ing thing like Megaman not being confirmed, you're going to throw away all the positive things you've felt about this game and pretend they never existed?

That's BULL ****. People are overreacting(and yes, I can see the reply to this post being "IRONY" but none the less) at this thing. It's a decent, if not Good or GREAT roster. And even if it is a disappointment's, so what? Did you get into this game, solely on the basis of speculation that a character that hadn't even been announced yet would be included?

So you decided you'd buy Smash Bros Brawl, JUST BECAUSE of a rumor that Krystal was gonna be included. She wasn't ANNOUNCED, she wasn't CONFIRMED, she was only speculated upon. And now after the almost year and a half wait for the game it finally comes and you've been praising these features like Online, and SSE, and Stage builder, and all that-- Krystal isn't announced, and so all of those other features don't matter? In fact, Krystal not being announced makes this roster SO friggen bad, you're going to go back to MELEE, which had a roster nearly FILLED to the brim with CLONES. Really? Are we that shallow?

Whatever. I don't mean to offend anyone(though some will take it that way regardless), it's just ludicrous to me how this list is so terrible. It seems fine to me.

Actually, my excitement for Brawl DID have alot to do with the characters to be in the game. I'll even go as far as saying that it was the MAIN thing that excited me about the game. Now, I do agree that many of the characters that were already announced are wonderful additions to the game (Sonic and Pokemon Trainer FTW), but the main fault is the fact that we knew about these characters for ever. You have to admit that it was incredibly stupid to reveal MOST of the new characters before the game came out. The smart thing would be to reveal about half of them, including Sonic and Snake, along with the 500 returning veterans in the game.

Are you actually surprised by the reactions considering the characters were basically all people were waiting for? I mean, yeah, there are other very cool features in the game, but the biggest one (SSE) will probably be a bit unnecessary. You know why? Because this is a party/fighting/multiplayer game. Yeah, it's probably going to be a really cool addition, but honestly, how often am I going to play it years from now? Conversly, how often am I going to be playing multiplayer so that I can master my favorite characters? Most likely I'll spend90% of my time playing multiplayer.

Heres one thing I want to know about: Assist trophies...How many are there, and how many playable characters could we have had at the expense of about half of the assist trophies? Assist trophies are cool, but by the looks of it, LOTS of potentially great playable characters will end up being them...

 

[Masque]

I have info!
its a hoax started by a fake leaker who wanted to stir up the boards...LET THE WITCH HUNT BEGIN!

If only... then again, we still don't have solid proof. I trust Serebii over any of the others, so I'll still wait to see if he has anything that contradicts the NeoGAF folk.

 

[Matt Silver]

The 35 character roster, In My Honest Opinion, is bull****.

Or, to put it simply, I won't believe it until we actually see "proof". It just feels underwhelming after everything else we know about Smash (and how expansive it is so far).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That would be funny if this was some kind of elaborate trolling scheme developed by a few select members to manipulate people

 

[CapnJack]

If only...

Why do you believe it? Why do so many people believe this? What am I missing?

 

[prettymanfairy]

Why does everyone think there are only 35 characters? Markman has no evidence.

 

[spindash]

I'm confident in Serebii. Even if this means that Mewtwo may very well have gotten the boot as a playable character; though I'll cross my fingers still.

However... As sad as the 35 Roster is like THAT, if it happens, so be it. But...

Something about R.O.B. does NOT add up.

Why would a R.O.B. be the ONLY Subspace Emmisary generic enemy to become playable? He goes a long ways back, but unlike Mr. Game & Watch who was the pure definition of Old School, (I apologize if I am just being ignorant) R.O.B. was nowhere as significant or worthy of liberating a spot on the most anticipated Wii Fighter from someone else more worthy.

Something about R.O.B. being a generic Subspace Emmisary foe in one instant and then suddenly becoming a playable character the next?

It still does not feel right...

And if it is right, then I'll still love the game. But by god they will have made a very fatal mistake in the concept of what an All-Star roster should be in a fighting game. You don't develop a game as long as Brawl and not leave room for such disappointment. No one can be happy, but no one should be this struck by such a mediocre roster.

Am I ungrateful? Maybe. I'm sorry if I am. But somehow I refuse to believe the roster with R.O.B. in it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm confident in Serebii. Even if this means that Mewtwo may very well have gotten the boot as a playable character; though I'll cross my fingers still.

However... As sad as the 35 Roster is like THAT, if it happens, so be it. But...

Something about R.O.B. does NOT add up.

Why would a R.O.B. be the ONLY Subspace Emmisary generic enemy to become playable? He goes a long ways back, but unlike Mr. Game & Watch who was the pure definition of Old School, (I apologize if I am just being ignorant) R.O.B. was nowhere as significant or worthy of liberating a spot on the most anticipated Wii Fighter from someone else more worthy.

Something about R.O.B. being a generic Subspace Emmisary foe in one instant and then suddenly becoming a playable character the next?

It still does not feel right...

And if it is right, then I'll still love the game. But by god they will have made a very fatal mistake in the concept of what an All-Star roster should be in a fighting game. You don't develop a game as long as Brawl and not leave room for such disappointment. No one can be happy, but no one should be this struck by such a mediocre roster.

Am I ungrateful? Maybe. I'm sorry if I am. But somehow I refuse to believe the roster with R.O.B. in it.

Because ROB is the only SSE enemy that is actually important to Nintendo history...

 

[platnum]

MAN i am just pissed at this failure of a roster!!!!!!!*loud scream*

sakurai...if this is real...www.youfail.org

 

[CapnJack]

Why would a R.O.B. be the ONLY Subspace Emmisary generic enemy to become playable?

He wouldn't, because it's ****ing stupid, and anyone who believes it is going to feel like a first-class moron pretty soon.




Quote. Me. On. That.

 

[KirbySSB]

I love the 35 roster and I think it's true.

woot WW link

 

[TheDuplexDuo]

Could someone kindly leave a link of this list? It isn't shown anywhere... -_-

Is this the Serebii Serebii? As in the Pokemon website? What would they know?

P.S Please don't flame this NooB in case something I said seems increidable foolish

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I love the 35 roster and I think it's true.

woot WW link

Well then, you have horrible taste

 

[Masque]

Why do you believe it? Why do so many people believe this? What am I missing?

Pessimism.

Basically, MarkMan and/or Reno are reputable posters on the NeoGAF forums, and one or the other has leaked information about Tekken 5 or something in the past. Whatever it was, it amounts to a big deal and the fact that they have leaked substantial information before. So I guess you could chalk it up to "reputation."

But as I said, I've become increasingly pessimistic about this whole debacle, and seeing such a small roster (by my hopes) that excludes EVERY character that I was hoping for (including the one I wanted above all others, Claus) just puts me over the edge a little.

Why does everyone think there are only 35 characters? Markman has no evidence.

(See above.)

 

[SAMaine]

ROB is not my contention with this roster. ROB's pure Sakurai WTF, actually. He's also the Moai of Nintendo.

It's the 35 character limit. That size of roster sucks, and we only had ourselves to blame! We HATED clones! We could've had a bigger, kickier roster if Brawl had clones! Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy, Mewtwo, Black Shadow, Bowser Jr maybe even fit Krystal in there... But NO! We hated clones and ruined Brawl for everyone! Some liked Roy! Some liked Mewtwo! Some liked Dr. Mario! We could've had a roster of Fourty or so, but we didn't want clones!

 

[T3h Kaiser]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.O.B.

Educate yourselves.

R.O.B. was a classic gaming cult icon first, thena generic enemy and then(according to this roster) a playable character. He didn't come out of nowhere. Don't waste your time posting a wall of text against R.O.B. if you don't know what you're talking about.

I really am amazed that there's almost as much resistance against R.O.B. as there is this rosters' size.

 

[bd43]

If this is the roster, I would have updated the site much better. In retrospect.

Granted, I can't say that and be honest. I really believe Sakurai thought he could get the game out by December 3rd but chose not to push it instead.

Still, the updates could have came a bit more timely. Aside from Sonic, and the 5 characters in the first trailer, the other 5 character updates should have been used more wisely, and there should be more vets on the dojo.

But 35 just doesn't seem likely if there is only 3 new characters left, 1 of which might be a clone and the other two are replacements. Mewtwo is out, and I figured 6 characters would be tossed from Melee. 20 Newcomers and 20 vets would be nice.