Amsah vs Jeapie - *Summons Tope* Teach me how to 4 stock Falcon please?

[Nihonjin]

Amsah vs Jeapie GF 1st set
Amsah vs Jeapie GF 2nd set

Tope (or other Falcon experts), how do I turn this into consistent 4 stocks?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Holy **** Amsah

Legit

 

[Anand]

The way you sometimes use needles to cover techs/rolls is pretty interesting (and I've never seen it before). [It happens twice at 3:05 and once at 8:25 of the first video.]

 

[Jolteon]

yo amsah you can ask me for advice. money match? - fuzzy

 

[Nihonjin]

Dammit Fuzzy, you're not even a Sheik!

We don't take kindly to your kind around here, get your dirty Falcon *** out of my sight before there's trouble..

And yes, I accept your MM..

 

[Fuzzyness]

haha, but i play every char so I might have some valid points

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Techchase better, I saw you missed quite a few of them

E:

Also don't use so much uthrow, Jeapie escaped your uthrows in few ocasions without any benefit for you

E2:

Jeapie has a nice Fox

E3:

I'm a Falcon expert

 

[Nihonjin]

Techchase better, I saw you missed quite a few of them

"Be better" isn't advice..

Also don't use so much uthrow, Jeapie escaped your uthrows in few ocasions without any benefit for you

Alright, I'll watch the vids again to see what you mean, thanks..=]

I'm a Falcon expert novice

Fixed..

 

[OverLord]

I actually think you did quite well Ams.

Maybe exploiting more on Sheik's advantages in this MU can make you more solid aka tech-chasing mercylessly more than comboing, you can actually just tech chase him 'til he's near the ledge and then throw him off and edgeguard. It does not fit your style that much though.

Vincent used to platform camp with needles and tech chase with DashAtt-Cancel grabs.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I actually think the PAL d-throw is better for gimping than her f-throw because if they DI it badly you can do better stuff than f-throw. Also, that trajectory looks really brutal.

 

[Strong Badam]

same angle as doc fair

 

[Phatgamer1]

I watched the second set and realized that this entire post was pointless.

 

[Nihonjin]

I actually think the PAL d-throw is better for gimping than her f-throw because if they DI it badly you can do better stuff than f-throw. Also, that trajectory looks really brutal.

Yup, it is..=]

Maybe exploiting more on Sheik's advantages in this MU can make you more solid aka tech-chasing mercylessly more than comboing, you can actually just tech chase him 'til he's near the ledge and then throw him off and edgeguard. It does not fit your style that much though.

It's not that it's not my style, but I purposely didn't because I want to learn how to fight this character without relying on just one thing one tactic (grabbing).

You can bet your *** I'll tech chase Americans from 0% to death when I have the opportunity to..

I'm not really looking for people to point out flaws in execution (like not tech chasing perfectly), but rather, bad decisions. =]

Vincent used to platform camp with needles

Can you show me some vids of that? When I try to, I get uair combo'd.. >_<

I watched the second set and realized that this entire post was pointless.

They weren't 4 stocks yet..

 

[Mind Trick]

They weren't 4 stocks yet..

What people don't realize (yet)... under the mask of the laughing rastaman is an evil mofo

oh... so that I don't derail, attacking his shield while he's on a platform seems useless looooool

 

[_Rocky_]

CC more

 

[VA]

I only watched a couple of matches and the fact that I'm not great at this game makes me quite wary of offering advice.

That said, I think if you want to four stock him you could be more efficient with edgeguarding. I'm not really sure how exactly you should do this but I did see a few times where you could have done something to keep him off instead of letting him back. I struggle with this as Peach. Also I saw you take to the air a little bit too readily, sometimes you'd take hits which will stack up and prevent you getting that all important four stock.

 

[Jonas]

Falcon is dumb I hate him

But good to see you're preparing for future encounters with Hax

 

[gm jack]

I only watched a couple of matches and the fact that I'm not great at this game makes me quite wary of offering advice.

That said, I think if you want to four stock him you could be more efficient with edgeguarding. I'm not really sure how exactly you should do this but I did see a few times where you could have done something to keep him off instead of letting him back. I struggle with this as Peach. Also I saw you take to the air a little bit too readily, sometimes you'd take hits which will stack up and prevent you getting that all important four stock.

Definitely agree on taking to the air a bit too much.

Uair is falcon's best move, and sheiks huge sh gives far too much opportunity for him to take advantage of the gap.

Other than that, I agree a bit on the tech chasing more. Just keep away from the reliance on them, and instead just be ruthless with them every time they happen.

 

[VA]

I only say the air thing because when I play falcon vs sheik I wait for her to jump and spam uair in her face. I saw Amsah do an option cover that got him punished once and worked the other time. I don't know, it just depends how you want to play really.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I just lost to S2J so I've lost all credibility forever but I did notice a few simple things.

 

[Mew2King]

down throw to death, and get him off the level

 

[OverLord]

It's not that it's not my style, but I purposely didn't because I want to learn how to fight this character without relying on just one thing one tactic (grabbing).

You can bet your *** I'll tech chase Americans from 0% to death when I have the opportunity to..

I'm not really looking for people to point out flaws in execution (like not tech chasing perfectly), but rather, bad decisions. =]



Can you show me some vids of that? When I try to, I get uair combo'd.. >_<

Unfortunately I don't think there are Vincent's videos against Falcons on YT. I'll check it out.



Anyway, I don't think overall you did "bad" decisions, that's the fact. You did good and actually I think you know how to deal against Falcon.

What I meant is that if you try to capitalize on every mistake with chasing and then edgeguarding, you'll probably be more consistent.

down throw to death, and get him off the level

^pretty much this actually.


For example, in your set against Hax, you were doing good but it seems like you remembered you got D-Throw just at the last stock of last match.

That's what I meant, I think it does not come naturally to you playing a more M2K-esque style. Just an opinion, but this does not mean you can't win or do even better than him, just keep playing your way and it will work against every Falcon IMO.

 

[darkatma]

I think S2j and Hax level falcons would flourish in Europe, with the weakened fox and falco helping them a lot.

 

[gm jack]

The nerfs don't really change to match ups. The still beat falcon for exactly the same reasons. Fox might have to tack on an extra hit or two and falco has to somewhat time his dair, but those things weren't what was giving falcon problems.

 

[Twix]

Poor KK

 

[Tope]

okay first of all, why are you playing a cf in gfs?

when you uthrow and they di away, wait for them to double jump (because they always do and then punish, slap/nair whatever)

I noticed a few times you would try to edgeguard with nair and you would do it like you were playing a space animal (DJ nair and pull back so you make it on to the level) this is a mistake. against cf since theres not real downside to not getting back on the level immediately. If you you tap them with weak nair it often leads to a fair anyway (kinda like 5:28 the second set only it was bair instead of nair). Don't be afraid to use needles too (instead of just dsmashing)

I like to stay more grounded in general (partly because I'm bad at doing aerials) but crouching in general just ruins cf's game, such a small hit for him to connect with. It reduces him to either try and stomp you or try and knee you, both of which you can just wd away. I almost always dtilt fair at ~100% for the kill.

Also how the hell was this guy in grand finals lmao, damn I need to come to europe :D (no offense, but you made him look silly)

btw i can't just be summoned, wtf

 

[VA]

Just were!

 

[King Funk]

Also how the hell was this guy in grand finals lmao, damn I need to come to europe :D (no offense, but you made him look silly)

btw i can't just be summoned, wtf

It's only Holland lol. xD

Come to Smashers Reunion in Norway in July 2012.

 

[Devil Ray]

relying on grabs is tricky in the long run. If you keep on chasing with grabs, you're putting yourself in a position to get ***** by a falcon. he has a lot of options once he's that close to you. luckily, falcon gets ***** by grabs, but a stomp to knee can be just as deadly.

 

[Beat!]

Why didn't you link to WFs instead? Since you lost there, I mean. Unless you were sandbagging or something.

 

[Nihonjin]

okay first of all, why are you playing a cf in gfs?

He was too manly to handle for the people there..;o

when you uthrow and they di away, wait for them to double jump (because they always do and then punish, slap/nair whatever)

Did that once, I'll do it some more..

I noticed a few times you would try to edgeguard with nair and you would do it like you were playing a space animal (DJ nair and pull back so you make it on to the level) this is a mistake. against cf since theres not real downside to not getting back on the level immediately.

I'm scared he'll do his whole, aerial mobility nonsense around my attack to the ledge nonsense..

But alright, I'll grow some balls and kill them immediately..

Don't be afraid to use needles too (instead of just dsmashing)

I was literally afraid to use needles and downsmashed instead..lol

I'll keep it in mind.. =D

I like to stay more grounded in general (partly because I'm bad at doing aerials) but crouching in general just ruins cf's game, such a small hit for him to connect with. It reduces him to either try and stomp you or try and knee you, both of which you can just wd away. I almost always dtilt fair at ~100% for the kill.

I suck at not jumping.. ;_;
But I'll try..

Also how the hell was this guy in grand finals lmao, damn I need to come to europe :D (no offense, but you made him look silly)

13 people tournament, only dutchies, 4 out of the top 5 weren't there..

That said, he's pretty good man.. D=

btw i can't just be summoned, wtf

Evidently you can.. ;o

Why didn't you link to WFs instead? Since you lost there, I mean. Unless you were sandbagging or something.

Because two sets are better than one?

 

[Beat!]

Well, I didn't mean you had to exclude the GFs... I guess "instead" was a poor choice of word.

3 sets are better than 2

 

[Nihonjin]

Well, I didn't mean you had to exclude the GFs... I guess "instead" was a poor choice of word.

Then your question makes no sense..

 

[Beat!]

Lemme' try again with better wording, then:

Why didn't you add WFs as well?

Does it make sense now? =p

 

[Nihonjin]

They weren't on youtube yet when I made this thread..

 

[Jeapie]

Ha this thread! I like how Amsah is willing to get better vs Falcon. Gets me motivated to improve as well.

@Tope: I agree with you a 100% at the staying more on the ground thing.

Especially when sheik is ducking. It takes away so many options for falcon if you play it cool with sheik and anticipate at falcons movements instead of taking the agressive/offensive side, however that doesnt mean playing agressively as sheik vs falcon isnt good.

Switching up the pace as sheik how you play this mu defensive/offensive is the hardest thing to deal for falcon. At least for me it is.
+ Im not so badd at this game as you think Tope. After playing this game for a long time I am willing to say that I have become a solid good player. Unless that was sarcasm but this is the internet so hey..


@Ams: The best moment was for me was when you ducked my shield grab , after landing a fair on my shield. So simpel yet effective. I felt like an idiot after that happend. grabben als een noobie ;(

+ I was impressed by your DI. I almost had none combos with up airs. Just watch out when you expect an upair but a knee comes out. Thats when it gets messy for you. Even if its just once.

I wanted to have a say in this as well since my name is listed in the topics titel ;o

Long story short. Watch all of these:

WFpart1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79wWqi3Fy0o
WFpart2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMO6nArLyPE&feature=related

GFset1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bL_irjGpfM&feature=related
GF set2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9zxEXG9v0Q&feature=related

 

[Tope]

I meant no disrespect Jeapie, for some reason I just assumed that this was a large scale tournament, but for just a local you are very skilled. I wish I had people as good as you to play close by, alas I only have cyrain and he's terrible.

Basically duck everything.

 

[JonnyW]

I meant no disrespect Jeapie, for some reason I just assumed that this was a large scale tournament, but for just a local you are very skilled. I wish I had people as good as you to play close by, alas I only have cyrain and he's terrible.

Basically duck everything.

Tope how does Falcon beat sheik?

 

[Jeapie]

I meant no disrespect Jeapie, .

Ai thanks Tope

 

[Tope]

Tope how does Falcon beat sheik?

Spacies and camps the **** out of her. Constant DD and perfectly spaced aerials, and not eeeeeeever letting her back on the stage.

Edit:

I can't read.