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Q&A Ambitions as a Plumber; A Mario FAQ

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3 things you need to be a good mario

- know all of marios moves and how they work
- know how to recover
- WD

now everything else just makes you better but those are the most important IMO
 

mario-man

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Yeah, still working on the 2nd one though...

Eggz post something to get us back on track here.;)
 

Ronin686

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3 things you need to be a good mario

- know all of marios moves and how they work
- know how to recover
- WD

now everything else just makes you better but those are the most important IMO
Lol, you could apply that formula to any character.


-Know X's moves and how they work
-Know how to recover
 

FaceFaceMcFace

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I think "mario-master" is referring to how every possible thread here has become spam as of late. Oh well.

Kinda ironic that not too long ago we were sort of complaining about the lack of random spam here XD
 

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RAWR im angry every time i watch a pro mario they move really really fast and have learned how to do like everything consistantly and i still cant move that fast so i want to know how do they do it

witchcraft? has to be lol eggz and the other pros must be witches lol
 

mario-man

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xD HAHA O.o.
I must be one too.................NOT!!! I'd NEVER be a witch. They're evil.
no laugh
 

maelstrom218

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In all honesty though, pivoting/DA dash can be somewhat useful for Mario. It's certainly helpful when you're extremely close to the opponent and out of sweetspotted f-smash range. . .in that case, you can dash away into a pivoted + sweetspotted f-smash. It's much faster than wavedashing back -> f-smash. Combining pivoting with f-tilt is also pretty useful, since you can back away and f-tilt without fear of being shieldgrabbed if you happen to be too close.

As for what Mario players need to learn, you certainly need to know how to combo, since Mario is, in fact, a combo centric character. Getting familiar with your opponent's weight/falling speed, and especially following DI plays a major role in how many consecutive hits you'll land. Learning to techchase helps extend combos, as well.

Landing and incorporating grabs is also pretty important. Yes, Mario has a fairly decent vertical launcher with his u-tilt, but most of his combos stem from grabs. Once you grab, you have a whole gamut of opportunities at your disposal--u-air chains, chaingrabbing, u-tilt/u-smash alternating, etc. And learning when and how to grab is extremely hard, given that Mario's grab range sucks, and that practically everyone outranges/outspeeds Mario (think Fox's shine, CF's n-air, Marth's sword, Peach's priority).

Those really make Mario what he is. A Mario that doesn't grab is crap. A Mario that can't combo off of grabs is crap. Not to say that the player is bad, but they're simply not maximizing the character's potential.

Other than that, certain things come to mind--learning how/when to KO is important (Mario's KO inability), as well as edgeguarding (since edgeguarding basically replaces outright KOs).

But learning how to consistently land grabs, and combo/follow DI is by far one of the more important things to learn with Mario.
 

Matador

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Depends on who you're fighting. Certain things like avoiding platform stages against Marth or Jiggs are things you should pick up.
 

FaceFaceMcFace

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Yay! Maelstrom made an advice-packed post again! That makes me happy.

Seeing as how grabs are so very essential for Mario, against which characters is grabbing actually somewhat less effective than other options you may have if any? My guess would be floaties that recieve low hitlag, but I'd like some input.

Do note that I'm NOT trying to look for an excuse to be anti-grab though, that'd be crazyness.
 

Tujex

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Yeah I wa sjust coming to ask how to deal with the top tiers, a.k.a. Fox, Falco, and Shiek. I do better against them with Mario than I do Shiek (as surprising as that may seem)...but I still need a little work on beating them....any tips?
 

Red Exodus

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Thanks Mael, that was very helpful. I grab but I'm not too confident in my grabbing ability to I tend to grab only when I have the opportunity instead of trying to get someone into a grab. I guess I need to work on my grab game =/

BTW, how do you guys use fireballs? I use it to mess up my opponents when they try to recover [most of the time they lose a lot of height after the fireball hits them] but mainly I use it to stun my opponents when I come out of the air.

I even managed to get a cool fire ball to fsmash combo done. I think my opponent was just too slow to react though =/
 

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well i tend to use fireballs when im coming back on the map, when the game starts SHFB toward your enemy, and if you get knocked away and tech come at them with a fire ball or two to put pressure on them, also you can use it to mess your enemys up that are trying to get back on the edge
 

FaceFaceMcFace

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As far as I know, fireballs are basically just best used to protect your recovery while returning to the stage, moderate camping, and basically just throwing off your opponent's approach/take on a bit of damage.

Edgeguarding with them is okee dokee if that isn't the main thing you're using to do so.

Fireball to f-smash I believe is only truly possible if you shoot the fireball during a running jump so that you keep up with it.
 

Red Exodus

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It loks like I was using them correctly after all =)

I never spam them when my opponent is recovering though, I just throw one to mess them up and if that fails I try to stop the with the cape or edgehog.

I also think that's how I managed to do the fball to fsmash, I can't imagine it being done any other way. I'm going to try it again tomorrow though, last time it made for a sweet KO.
 

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well it depends what person your going against if you watch grits combo video he keeps a samus from getting even close to the edge
 

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yea but its harder with them like samus bomb jump, luigis over b, and links bomb jumps are all really easy to screw up
 

mario-man

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Naw we're okay, but I do miss him. Is he still returning from the tourney or what?
 

YangKang

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Im actually not allowed to but ok I will tell you guys the story what happend to eggz... well when gimpy was playing at fcd he went super sayin bowser LVL 3!!!111111 bowser hair got even more goldish and gimpys hair aswell!11 eggz got blinded by that and passed out hes now gettin operated with a steak and some of gimpys hairs thats all they had at fcd =/
 

mario-man

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xD

Nice, YK. I don't really care what happened, yet. I just can't wait to find out how he placed and what's takin' so freaking long for him to get back. LoL
 

Dark Iori Yagami

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I heard great things about that Eggs and his mario. I really wanted to money match him but it didn't come to past. I came close to playing him but was called for tourney but win we do face off i'm sure it will be a great match. You mario playeres keep it real. Mario rocks :093:
 

mario-man

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I know where Eggz is. He's hiding in shame cuz he placed 17th. I would too if I were him.

EGGZ, COME OUT OF YOUR HIDING!!!! WE DON'T REALLY CARE HOW YOU DID AS LONG AS YOU DID YOUR BEST!!!!!!!! WE MISS YOU HERE, COME BACK TO US!!!!:crying:
 
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