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aiser needs critique =[

Aesir

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^ Technically I did, however my previous account was aiser which is this name spelt wrong. Most know me as aiser so I keep it as aiser in videos for convenience.
 

BishopTS

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Your marth was pretty good, but there were 2 main things that I noticed. The first was sweetspotting the ledge. Just practice hitting the ledge and it will eventually become second nature. The second was your edgeguarding. Try and mix it up a little bit and not edgehog every time. Also, if you want to get really picky you could work on incorporating more wavedashing into your marth game.
 

Aesir

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first off what? you realize I was fighting a sheik right? not edge hog everytime? I might as well have a big sign that says. HEY COMEB ACK TO THE STAGE BUDDY! :D <3
 

SPAWN

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Ronin did a nice critique.

My browser is better than McFox's.
 

SPAWN

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Inside joke with the normal BlueDeath from CT. Poser. Rofl :p don't take that personally, I'm just messing with you man.
 

JesiahTEG

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Alright dude, first off, you did a weird Upsmash after a utilt in the beginning, instead you could have faired and ended with a ken combo/fsmash. Obviously though, it was probably a technical mistake, no big deal there.

Next, at 28 seconds, after your nair you d tilted, but you could have fsmashed instead. You probably didnt think your nair would hit though, and so you tried to play it safe. But, it could have been a tipper.

Also, you messed up your tech chases in the beginning, and he missed a few techs that you could have Fsmashed. Better reflexes i guess?

You got hit by needles a lot, but that was just good timing on the sheik.

Also, work on DI'ing sheik's dthrow. You got messed up by it pretty bad, but you could have at least switched your DI up. Not too much you can do about it, but a lil bit.

Pretty much, very good. Honestly, I just picked on a few little things I saw. Your spacing is great, and your use of fairs is good. You either tipped your fairs or didn't hit them at all. Very good. Just mindgames. Honestly, you just need to outthink the other player. I couldn't really pick up on your mindgames, except one. When sheik missed the tech and you ran up and then wd'd backwards to try to get her to roll backwards. I use that all the time, but sheik didn't fall for it this time. If I knew what you were thinking when you were playing, I would try to say more stuff, but in vids that's hard to do.

Since I'm the only one here that critiqued your Marth, you better help me with mine when I get a vid up, which should be soon.
 

Aesir

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A lot of the times I won't DI sheiks down throw simply because taking the upsmash which will always happen is better then getting chain grabbed.

yeah a lot of my mistakes were technical ones, that upsmash? lol suppose to be a uair LOL. and the needles yeah spawns a needle camper pretty much he has pretty good timing and I never notice he has fully charged needles >_>

my tech chases were off that day and I did miss a lot of tippers but no johns right? lol thanks and i'll be sure to check out your marth.
 

Miggz

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Pretty good. JesiahTEG summd it up well. All I can suggest is incorporate dancing blade into your game. Doing it out of a dash dance works very well. Most Marth players ignore it for some reason, I find it very helpful. Also, Bishop was right in a weird sense. You don't always have to edgeguard to keep her out, HOWEVER, you are correct that it is the best and most classy way to get the job done. I just like to be different and mix it up. ^^

All in all...good job bro. Keep smashing. :)
 

thebluedeath1000

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Dancing blade..eh...I only use it as a quick jab since marth's neutral a sucks in most cases..

And when you edgehog sheik, it forces her to land on stage and with all that lag from up-b, at least you get a hit on her.

But to the tips.

You really need to focus on getting hits on sheik once shes in the air, If she uses that second jump of hers in air, I do my best to start a combo as shes history if offstage then

whats up with your first stock? you made no effort to return...I heard about the double jump but you should have up-bed after tapping x or y twice or so.

Aesir, at the attempt at edgehogging at 1:05..dude..slow down and get things right lol.

Instead of trying up u-air sheik after the upthrow, just wavedash around under her till she gets in range of the up-tilt, then send her packing back into the air..eventually shes going to use her double jump, then take major advantage of that.

I noticed you shielded a few of her attacks and could have sheildgrabbed but didnt.

Were you nervous or excited?..you made alot of mistakes...at times, your marths attacks were swift and accurate..then other times marth went stupid.

Slow down your marth if you are going to mess up like that...if you can handle the speed, go for it, if not, please take it slower.
 

SPAWN

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He's tried not grabbing the ledge before... I usually kill him when he doesn't do that because I'll be so scared that I'm at a high percentage that I'll just go for as many smart decisions for hits/grabs.

Also, for mixing up ways to di after a grab, there really is no way to avoid a hit afterwards...like it doesn't matter, as long as the Sheik knows what he's doing, you are screwed. So, Aiser doesn't need tips on what to do after a grab because he's played me countless times and has probably looked at the best option... so for him the upsmash with no di works.
 

SPAWN

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Iunno, I'm just blabbing. El oh el.
 

SPAWN

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Aesir is funny.
I like how Cactuar is the best one in this thread, and doesn't leave a critique. :p Unless he did it via aim?... :o

Edit: I guess it was towards Jesiah. :o
 

Aesir

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Blue: against all sheiks I get really nervous and in friendlies I seriously am just really impatient. usually when it matters I can be patient its just a matter of teaching myself better patient habits. thanks though probbaly the best advise i've gotten in this therad.
edit: basically I can handle the speed I'm playing at, its just in friendlies I'm really impatient a wreckless. <_< to some up what I said.

Furthermore I have new headphones RELAXO

cactuar: >______>;
 

Brightside6382

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seemed pretty good to me! You grabbed, and jiggled the c-stick. Marth doesn't get much more advance then that.

Critique:
More D and U-smashes plz. I only saw a few and that made me sad :(
 

Binx

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First of all, not bad at all, however I do think that there is one big thing you need to work on, every single time I saw you jump if you werent hit before you had time you did an attack, if the shiek would have predicted you a little bit better and kept her spacing correctly she could get a free grab on you pretty much every time you leave the ground. I personally incorporate more dash dancing into my game. Great work on the grabs.
 

SPAWN

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Thanks Binx. :p @ Aiser... unless he changes this.
 

SPAWN

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Aiser, just go along with it. Lulz.
 

Brightside6382

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First of all, not bad at all, however I do think that there is one big thing you need to work on, every single time I saw you jump if you werent hit before you had time you did an attack, if the shiek would have predicted you a little bit better and kept her spacing correctly she could get a free grab on you pretty much every time you leave the ground. I personally incorporate more dash dancing into my game. Great work on the grabs.
I agree 100% with whatever this guy said
 

Emblem Lord

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Aesir's Marth vids are getting all the attention. I need advice too! >_>
 

NES n00b

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Yeah, I need Link advice. Stop hogging the attention Aiser.

Oh wait, this is the Marth forums. >_>

Just follow bluedeath's advice since it was the best in the thread IMO.

Edit: If you are going to Sheik in the air. Use fair. Otherwise stick to just uptilting like blue said.

And yes Emblem Lord is the suxxorz. What a nub. ;)
 

thebluedeath1000

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Well emblem lord, you can practice short hopping and once you get that done, for at least an hour maybe we can help you..

Second thought, lets not play this joke because someone with no sense is going to read nes noob's, yours and my posts and start to give you advice O.o...I have learned not to doubt the stupidity of people..
 

Aesir

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You mean you learned not to doubt the stupidity of marth players LOLOL

anyway the reason why I used uairs was because cort told me they were a good juggler, but I think he meant after they use their double jump. Sheiks annoys me to know end. >_>
 

Brightside6382

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Cool I actually watched the vids and Ill put down my 28cents

Your tech skill pretty random at times. You fastfall off the ledge, you shield after you L-cancel, full jump nairs, yeah you should probably work on that ^_^.

I noticed you like to whiff fairs and bairs before you land so the shiek (SPAWN) can't do a lead in while you land. This is good and all but you did it almost every single time, you didn't space some well, and sometimes you did it so high before you hit the ground the Shiek easily got you while you were still in the air during the cool-down. Try an empty land and going in for a grab once in awhile since I saw the Shiek shielding everytime you landed.

In some of your combo's instead of ending it with an F-smash you went in for another grab or d-tilt and that lead to nothing. F-smash -> edgeguard is much better then extending the combo into nothing.

Marth vs Shiek is a stupid matchup GG's!!!

(P.S MORE D/U-SMASHES)
 

Aesir

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Cool I actually watched the vids and Ill put down my 28cents

Your tech skill pretty random at times. You fastfall off the ledge, you shield after you L-cancel, full jump nairs, yeah you should probably work on that ^_^.
thats more of a nerves issue I think I generally just get really nervious/frustrated against sheik. >_>

I noticed you like to whiff fairs and bairs before you land so the shiek (SPAWN) can't do a lead in while you land. This is good and all but you did it almost every single time, you didn't space some well, and sometimes you did it so high before you hit the ground the Shiek easily got you while you were still in the air during the cool-down. Try an empty land and going in for a grab once in awhile since I saw the Shiek shielding everytime you landed.
I just recently started to space things well, aka using the c-stick so I'm still getting use it. but the way I see it wiffing it is better then hitting them to close. I'm working on my spacing more though, like I said before most of it is, this match up makes me nervious.

In some of your combo's instead of ending it with an F-smash you went in for another grab or d-tilt and that lead to nothing. F-smash -> edgeguard is much better then extending the combo into nothing.
Yeah I noticed this a few days ago, say I nair a sheik and shes with in tipper range and I just fair. =\

Marth vs Shiek is a stupid matchup GG's!!!

(P.S MORE D/U-SMASHES)
Thats cause sheik > marth >_>
 
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