Steam
Smash Hero
maybe use proxys so MK has a harder time tracing it back to the Comp and gimping it D:
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Air Walk: Probably Lucario's most useful AT...Still need an instructioinal vid...
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Dark 3nergy
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wow rly give me the stuff to upload then
actually its decent for breaking badly spaced nados, and i can only name one time where i used utilt and it destroyed a bomb without me taking damage....
ddd does have IF frames like 4-5 during start up of utilt, not useful rly like marths upb IF is
actually its decent for breaking badly spaced nados, and i can only name one time where i used utilt and it destroyed a bomb without me taking damage....
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
is it really that few?
Man, it seems to be a little more than that (at least when I land it lol).
:V
Man, it seems to be a little more than that (at least when I land it lol).
:V
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yea, im pretty sure the first 1-3 frames of utilt are not IF though. The prob is there is no frame data that explains when the IF pop up its just during the start up. So..kinda have to guess..
actually im messing with it now and whiffed utilts that dont hit do not show any frames that flash white. If it hits, DDD flashes white 1-2 frames after the hit goes thru, thats if its fresh. Staled its either showing no white IF or it does...so..i dont quite understand how that works.
Since theres really no concrete frame data on ddds utilt just keep in mind it does have a few IF. Like i said, these IF arent nearly as useful as Marths / MKs in their upbs. Cuz lets put it this way if DDDs utilt had IF on frame 1, it'd be a much more wonderful move for him.
actually im messing with it now and whiffed utilts that dont hit do not show any frames that flash white. If it hits, DDD flashes white 1-2 frames after the hit goes thru, thats if its fresh. Staled its either showing no white IF or it does...so..i dont quite understand how that works.
Since theres really no concrete frame data on ddds utilt just keep in mind it does have a few IF. Like i said, these IF arent nearly as useful as Marths / MKs in their upbs. Cuz lets put it this way if DDDs utilt had IF on frame 1, it'd be a much more wonderful move for him.
Tony T
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Hey Infinity I'll Record and put this cursed tech on YT if its the last thing I do.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
that'd be a mean thing
but then again, at least he has a couple, MK shuttle loop has like only one frame of invincibility on the grounded variation only.
That being said, imo best oos upB is Bowser's besides MK's/Marth's (probably better than Marth's at least), it's probably the safest one out there (but bowser as a whole's pretty bad so it kinda nullifies things :V).
but then again, at least he has a couple, MK shuttle loop has like only one frame of invincibility on the grounded variation only.
That being said, imo best oos upB is Bowser's besides MK's/Marth's (probably better than Marth's at least), it's probably the safest one out there (but bowser as a whole's pretty bad so it kinda nullifies things :V).
Steam
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problem is Bowser is a monster up close so everyone camps him to death. Bowser has the best OOS game IMHO. only an idiot touches his shield
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cept i would touch his shield with my soft palpable gloves <3
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Bowser's a freaking fortress guys.
its why we have a projectile.
its why we have a projectile.
MythTrainerInfinity
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Just to let you know Red Ryu and Sonic Falco are getting vids up.
Keep an eye out on http://www.youtube.com/user/SonicFalco and http://www.youtube.com/user/SpriteRyu
Keep an eye out on http://www.youtube.com/user/SonicFalco and http://www.youtube.com/user/SpriteRyu
Tony T
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Uploading them now lol. Finished at 2am. and now I'm off for a few days possibly.
Browny
Smash Hater
If the curse is broken... where are the vids?
I dont see them on those channels?
I dont see them on those channels?
Tony T
Smash Ace
Infinity performs the tech during the matches lol
D. Disciple
Smash Master
If that was the case, I have vids of me doing that in matches against Nappy then.
culexus・wau
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I have matches doin it a ****ton too.
honestly, I should stop - mid air jump + above opponent = BAD
honestly, I should stop - mid air jump + above opponent = BAD
MythTrainerInfinity
Smash Champion
Red Ryu told me he'd get something together after he learns the implications of this tech.
This tech has a lot lot more potential than Broversal imo.
This tech has a lot lot more potential than Broversal imo.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Tony T
Smash Ace
lol true I wont stop until I mastered it darn it lol.
Steam
Smash Hero
I can do it just not with SDI X(
and I oft do it too fast and buffer Roll
and I oft do it too fast and buffer Roll
A New England Winter
Smash Lord
A few questions.
1. How is the tech actually performed? Do you jump OOS during sheild stun/sheild slide/another period of time to do it? Can it be done with CStick?
2. Has anything been tested vs MK DSmash/FSmash? Can we punish that w/ Air Walk? What about Snake UTilt/FTilt, or other common moves we'd have to worry about from top tiers?
1. How is the tech actually performed? Do you jump OOS during sheild stun/sheild slide/another period of time to do it? Can it be done with CStick?
2. Has anything been tested vs MK DSmash/FSmash? Can we punish that w/ Air Walk? What about Snake UTilt/FTilt, or other common moves we'd have to worry about from top tiers?
MythTrainerInfinity
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Jump OoS DAir, can be CSticked. Best time to do it is buffer it right after you input your shield DI. Its good to be practicing shield DI anyway even if you fail to master this tech.
I haven't tested vs. MK's DSmash yet, as its just too fast and does not yield much hitstun. Theoretically though you should be able to if you master it.
Don't ever use it against Snake FTilt 1. You're just going to get hit by FTilt 2. Otherwise you should be able to use it just fine against FTilt 2 and his other Tilts.
Its a viable option against Falco's FSmash and USmash, Wario FSmash you might be better off Force Palming, Grabbing, or FTilting, can be done against Marth's FSmash (not tipper) and depending how close you are.
If you don't feel comfortable Double Teaming a Grenade near Snake you might wanna try this.
Ironically, Air Walk OoS is a great punisher against another Lucario using DAir.
I haven't tested vs. MK's DSmash yet, as its just too fast and does not yield much hitstun. Theoretically though you should be able to if you master it.
Don't ever use it against Snake FTilt 1. You're just going to get hit by FTilt 2. Otherwise you should be able to use it just fine against FTilt 2 and his other Tilts.
Its a viable option against Falco's FSmash and USmash, Wario FSmash you might be better off Force Palming, Grabbing, or FTilting, can be done against Marth's FSmash (not tipper) and depending how close you are.
If you don't feel comfortable Double Teaming a Grenade near Snake you might wanna try this.
Ironically, Air Walk OoS is a great punisher against another Lucario using DAir.
culexus・wau
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No way is this more useful then B-reversals
MythTrainerInfinity
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Properly executing Air Walk means you can either A. avoid damage or B. counter something or C. both.
Properly using Broversal means you get some neat spacing tools, but if your opponent reads it you're in trouble. A regular B-Reversal is alright too, but...
Air Walk has situations where it guarantees damage. A B-Reversal only guarantees damage against someone who is in landing lag or who initiated a laggy move with a faked out approach.
Bah I could theorycraft both of these in my head all day.
Bottom line is this tech is underused and useful and people should be learning it.
Oh and I forgot to add MK's Glide Attack to the list of things we could punish.
Properly using Broversal means you get some neat spacing tools, but if your opponent reads it you're in trouble. A regular B-Reversal is alright too, but...
Air Walk has situations where it guarantees damage. A B-Reversal only guarantees damage against someone who is in landing lag or who initiated a laggy move with a faked out approach.
Bah I could theorycraft both of these in my head all day.
Bottom line is this tech is underused and useful and people should be learning it.
Oh and I forgot to add MK's Glide Attack to the list of things we could punish.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
To do this you need an instructional vid.........? Really? lmao
MythTrainerInfinity
Smash Champion
Some people are
Every decently known tech has an instructional video how to back it. Sadly it has been known since about a year ago, but alas we still lack a video.
I'm still willing to help people learn this on WiFi or IRL if need be >.>
MBlaze
Smash Champion
I knew this before I just mained Lucario.
culexus・wau
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Be in hitstun/shieldstun.
hold a direction
jump
dair
is that so hard.
hold a direction
jump
dair
is that so hard.
Neverbound
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So it's just rising dair?
D. Disciple
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Yeah pretty much, I find breversaling a lot more useful. This is just as good as an escape mechanism especially from follow ups after someone throws us.
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explain this again plox. how does one "jump"
culexus・wau
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I think you hit the x or y buttons but idk someone check on rthat
real talk though can we air walk by using the control stick to jump.
real talk though can we air walk by using the control stick to jump.
Steam
Smash Hero
if you hold a direction before you jump you will roll
culexus・wau
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tilt the direction then.
I hold the direction since I'm buffering the dair + jump OOS so it works out for me
I hold the direction since I'm buffering the dair + jump OOS so it works out for me
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
You'll want to be smart about doing this, b/c even this can be predicted/punished (although pretty hard to do at this point):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccMfYXEfx24#t=11m07s
sometimes I'll use it at low percents so that in case falco is off framewise on the CG (although highly unlikely), I can dair him out while getting away.
other applications:
decent out option if you're getting overwhelmed in doubles
anti-string
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccMfYXEfx24#t=11m07s
sometimes I'll use it at low percents so that in case falco is off framewise on the CG (although highly unlikely), I can dair him out while getting away.
other applications:
decent out option if you're getting overwhelmed in doubles
anti-string