Advanced Techniques in Brawl

[The Hypnotist]

Plus moonwalking!

But seriously, wavedashing will be in.

 

[DeathBySpoon]

The first one looks like a legitimete waveland from wario.

The 2nd looks hella faked, and it is.

the 3rd and fourth are the new roll, which apparantly you can do off the edge. This is a cool feature but wavedashing off an edge is still faster and better so wavedashing better ****ing stay.

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by the second one being faked? That's frame by frame from the first trailer. Go check it out yourself if you like.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

^^

Oh now I get it, its from the part where snakes peeking on them. i was wondering why it looked so weird (camera angle zooming outwards)

Sorry, so I guess that could be real. The third one is a roll though. first one looks VERY promising.

 

[DeathBySpoon]

Yeah, after watching the third one again, I actually think you can see MetaKnight run. Which is kind of confusing, since he proceeds to tumble and clearly tech when he hits the ground, so maybe that IS a roll. No idea on that one. First two are the strongest evidence.

 

[Weed]

I cant really say about the last two, but the first two look pretty legit

 

[BentoBox]

You won't play SSBB if there's no Wavedash? Rofl, that is truly a pathetic excuse but whatever floats your boat. And really, I didn't know Sakurai actually got complain letters about how said scrubs found WD unfair ;].

 

[The Hypnotist]

You won't play SSBB if there's no Wavedash? Rofl, that is truly a pathetic excuse but whatever floats your boat. And really, I didn't know Sakurai actually got complain letters about how said scrubs found WD unfair ;].

Who said they were boycotting if there's no WD.

 

[BentoBox]

Dylan did, scroll up.

 

[The Hypnotist]

He said probally and I thought he waas joking.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Who said they were boycotting if there's no WD.

I did. People keep saying it's ''pathetic'' or any other number of synoynms to that word and I know -exactly- when that kind of response is coming. Thing is I have the balls to stand firm in what I believe in so you can ridicule my beliefs as much as you want or suggest they have some sort of relation to my personality or life skills. If you think I'm going to react then you're about to be dissapointed.

I truly believe that brawl will pale in comparisson to melee if the wavedash is removed. I have however after all these months, and with the way sakurai updates the site and the discussions ive had here changed my views slightly.

Before I was very pessimistic. I figured nintendo would take out wavedashing to please scrubs since they make up the majority of the $$$. This logic is flawed because face it, its a smash bros game. They could remove jumping and itd still sell millions, no matter what people will buy this game.

Now, I am optomistic for the wavedash, I think it will be left in because it was never taken out of the PAL version of melee, there is very heavy proof that it was never a glitch and moreso a consequence of the games physics and the airdodge. Also it is a very useful technique for the advanced players and makes NO difference, in or out, to the weaker players. The only conflicts arise when weak players play vs strong players and get 4 stocked.

When that happens, the weaker player will usually blame the game, the tier list, the waveshine, anything but themselves, and thats why you have so many scrub bull**** attitudes on this forum. People get beat then go to a smashforum to whine, nothing new to me. I dont think these people affect how the game is made though, seriously. These people are bottom feeders, they are filth and they should not be allowed near multiplayer video games. They ruin the experience for gamers looking to improve with their mental roadblocks of ''honor'' and ''cheap'' and ''intentions''

And, in the case that there is no wavedash in brawl I do not still think I will boycott it.

Rather, I will boycott every character I play that needs to wavedash as part of their spacing game, or MY PERSONAL spacing game. Those characters would be mario shiek and fox.

which leaves me my other character... Captain Falcon. heck, I rarely wavedash with him as it is, when I do its usually just out of habit or to space something like a shffled nair.

So if theres no wavedashing in brawl, Ill just play falcon. he rules.

 

[The Hypnotist]

It doesn't work like that Dylan, for all you know Captain Falcon might need WDing in Brawl, he might have the longest WD in the game. He could be terrible in the next game, he could be worse then Kirby for all you know.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

It doesn't work like that Dylan, for all you know Captain Falcon might need WDing in Brawl, he might have the longest WD in the game. He could be terrible in the next game, he could be worse then Kirby for all you know.

True, but I highly doubt it. He will probably be high or mid tier like in melee but Im hoping for top!!

haha with his gimp recovery though that probably wont happen, me and my friend were thinking itd be cool if his aerial side B was a viable return move like maybe a slightly verticle and horizontal upercut a bit like roys up b

but I digress, this isnt a falcon discussion thread.

And the reason I say falcon doesnt need wding so heavily is his run speed, his quick pace and incredible moveset potential are more than enough to get by.

 

[180OP]

Now if you really don't think any of that is wavedashing then your just bullspiting yourself.

I think it's new landing physics. Where the momentum of the character causes him to slide based on his traction.

 

[psicicle]

If it is new landing physics, I don't really like it. I don't really want every character becoming like luigi in slipperyness or playing as if on the fourside UFO (except for being able to run), that is, a less slippery version. Mario's looks like landing physics, and that is similar to melee's. Wario's however goes very far, as if he were melee's luigi perhaps. Wario doesn't strike me as a slippery character though. He seems like he would control more like bowser than mario.

 

[BentoBox]

@Dylan: You are talking as if SSBB would just be SSBM v2.0; You don't know if C.F. will play the same as Hyp stated, you don't know a thing about how the game mechanics have been altered, what it is that Sakurai meant by "new feel for certain chars", yet you're ready to jump the gun that u wont play the game if it doesn't feel the same way than before? What part of new game is it that you don't understand. If they do remove WDing, its not because said scrubs whined about, Sakurai doesn't give a flying **** about what noobs think competitively. Competitive smashers are a poor portion of the whole smashing community mind you. And I do find it quite hypocritical how you'd blame the loss on so-called noobs while you've urself proven that you'd make no effort whatsoever to adapt to a new metagame that SSBB would bring along. WDing might or might not go, Crouching could open up some interesting possibilities, same goes for that WD-like movement captured in the gifs posted earlier.

I personally believe that lack of WDing won't make the game any less competitive. That's simply one less tech to learn and many more to adapt to. There are a lot of godly players who do not WD and yet still kickass. And no, lack of WDing does not mean that the gap between noobs and pros shrinks. I invite you to play SSB64 online and see how its like to get pwned without the use of any artifices. No need for tech skills, keep it raw.

You sir are spoiled.

 

[180OP]

I did. People keep saying it's ''pathetic'' or any other number of synoynms to that word and I know -exactly- when that kind of response is coming. Thing is I have the balls to stand firm in what I believe in so you can ridicule my beliefs as much as you want or suggest they have some sort of relation to my personality or life skills. If you think I'm going to react then you're about to be disappointed.

I truly believe that brawl will pale in comparison to melee if the wavedash is removed. I have however after all these months, and with the way sakurai updates the site and the discussions I've had here changed my views slightly.

Before I was very pessimistic. I figured Nintendo would take out wavedashing to please scrubs since they make up the majority of the $$$. This logic is flawed because face it, its a smash bros game. They could remove jumping and itd still sell millions, no matter what people will buy this game.

Now, I am optomistic for the wavedash, I think it will be left in because it was never taken out of the PAL version of melee, there is very heavy proof that it was never a glitch and moreso a consequence of the games physics and the airdodge. Also it is a very useful technique for the advanced players and makes NO difference, in or out, to the weaker players. The only conflicts arise when weak players play vs strong players and get 4 stocked.

When that happens, the weaker player will usually blame the game, the tier list, the waveshine, anything but themselves, and thats why you have so many scrub bull**** attitudes on this forum. People get beat then go to a smashforum to whine, nothing new to me. I dont think these people affect how the game is made though, seriously. These people are bottom feeders, they are filth and they should not be allowed near multiplayer video games. They ruin the experience for gamers looking to improve with their mental roadblocks of ''honor'' and ''cheap'' and ''intentions''

And, in the case that there is no wavedash in brawl I do not still think I will boycott it.

Rather, I will boycott every character I play that needs to wavedash as part of their spacing game, or MY PERSONAL spacing game. Those characters would be mario shiek and fox.

which leaves me my other character... Captain Falcon. heck, I rarely wavedash with him as it is, when I do its usually just out of habit or to space something like a shffled nair.

So if theres no wavedashing in brawl, Ill just play falcon. he rules.

Yay for boycotting!! ROFLMAO this is still going on? Boycott fox!? can't do that, he's most likely gonna be top tier again! PPlus he's always fun.

Plus you will have to use other characters to unlock others...like beating classic mode or the likes. Unless you go the long way of player X many VS games. depends.

Or if you are the Ultimate Boycotter(dun dun dun), you will get someone else to do it for you. It is blasphemy by your book of holy wavedashing if you play with any character whose wavedashing potential has been scrapped.

don't worry man. keep praying. do lots of charity. pray hard. it'll be there for you. be nice to fellow humans, that includes "scrubs".

how do crappy players hold back good players from improving again? that part didn't make any sense.

You know Dylan for some reason or another you are the only one(any perhaps your crew) who is whining about wavedashing on this board. rofl you taken this **** to the extreme. looks like wavedashing has your babies or something...

I seriously like some others here want to see wavedashing gone just to see the 400 pages of rants and cries from you. I'm sorry but I have to agree that will be very very funny. Although it MAYBE a loss for overall Smash gameplay. who knows. Nintendo is known for doing some amazing things, and some not so amazing things(like the POWA GLOVE).

How come you sound so angry all the time? all your posts go something like "go die noob, scrub, noob, nooby stupid f-ing scrub noob noob noobilicious. scrubby scrub scrubness. 4 stock 99 stock noob " lmao relax yourself gonna get a heart attack at like 15 thas not good.

but seriously, you've ranting about wavedashing so bloody much that you've made people who use the technique effectively (like me) so annoyed that we want wavedashing gone just to see your reaction. It'll be hilarious for a while.

People boycott for political reasons, religious reasons and the like...this is just absurd. boycotting a game or characters in it because it doesn't have wavedash in it? err..

but hey if wavedashing is gone and after the rants and laughter, me and you go on a hunger strike in front of Nintendo HQ. I'll start making the pickets.

 

[The Hypnotist]

why are you ganging up on Dylan, he just said he wasn't boycotting, are you even listening?

However again Dylan, you don't know how Captain Falcon will play in Brawl at all. So don't jump to conclusions, he could become as bad a kirby.

 

[180OP]

why are you ganging up on Dylan, he just said he wasn't boycotting, are you even listening?

However again Dylan, you don't know how Captain Falcon will play in Brawl at all. So don't jump to conclusions, he could become as bad a kirby.

Cuz it's fun and I'm just killing some time till the next update.

. And I do find it quite hypocritical how you'd blame the loss on so-called noobs while you've urself proven that you'd make no effort whatsoever to adapt to a new metagame that SSBB would bring along

That is so true. I've mentioned it before. If he thinks he is so non-scrubby and so frikken elite at games and scrubs should not play multiplayer games blah blah "nooob noob noob".
Why the hell is he declaring that he sucks at brawl before its release and can't adapt to new things?

If the wavedash nipple is gone, he's gonna suck ***. hard ***. he must then suck at games altogether.

 

[Flare233]

Well now that the latest update pretty much confirms airdodging, Brawl is 1 step closer to having wavedashing.

 

[psicicle]

Wait, how is it confirmed? Also, airdodging was confirmed already. There are some pics of it somewhere. Sorry I can't find them but I'm sure somebody else can.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

@Dylan: You are talking as if SSBB would just be SSBM v2.0; You don't know if C.F. will play the same as Hyp stated, you don't know a thing about how the game mechanics have been altered, what it is that Sakurai meant by "new feel for certain chars", yet you're ready to jump the gun that u wont play the game if it doesn't feel the same way than before? What part of new game is it that you don't understand. If they do remove WDing, its not because said scrubs whined about, Sakurai doesn't give a flying **** about what noobs think competitively. Competitive smashers are a poor portion of the whole smashing community mind you. And I do find it quite hypocritical how you'd blame the loss on so-called noobs while you've urself proven that you'd make no effort whatsoever to adapt to a new metagame that SSBB would bring along. WDing might or might not go, Crouching could open up some interesting possibilities, same goes for that WD-like movement captured in the gifs posted earlier.

I never said itd be any more or less competitive. Just that my personal preference would be to leave the wavedash in because it would hinder my playstyle to lack it. anyway I think I explained myself pretty well in the last post. Im not doing the flame war thing anymore im sick of it.

I invite you to play SSB64 online and see how its like to get pwned without the use of any artifices. No need for tech skills, keep it raw.

You sir are spoiled.

*Gasp*

*Double gasp*

Oh my! Thank you for this honor! I didnt just 4 stock someone on kaillera, nope not me. No.. theres no way Im one of the best players in Canada.

Hey sucker, you know who you're ****ing dealing with? ¨°PÞ-§°¨ Tnga

¨°PÞ-§°¨ ... ring a bell?

Oh yeah, pretty much one of the most exclusive and elite online smash clans around. How EVER will I survive online? Oh wait Im online right now and I just got myself another 4 stock. Dear me.

 

[BentoBox]

Not really because I don't play much on kaillera myself. You totally missed my point. There's more to smash than simple tech skills. In SSB, where there aren't much tech skills required to actually be good, the gap between pros and noobs is still quite big. I don't expect SSBB to be any different with or without WD, and neither should you. Realising that, you shouldn't be crying like you are about such a simple loss.

 

[psicicle]

Not really because I don't play much on kaillera myself. You totally missed my point. There's more to smash than simple tech skills. Realising that, you shouldn't be crying like you are about such a simple loss.

Erm, you may have missed his not missing your point:

"I never said itd be any more or less competitive. Just that my personal preference would be to leave the wavedash in because it would hinder my playstyle to lack it."

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Not really because I don't play much on kaillera myself. You totally missed my point.

No, you told me to go on kaillera. You didn't realize how incredibly good I am though because you don't know me.

So maybe you missed this point :

You're an idiot. You're going to whine and rant to me about tech skills and wavedashing and then get all worked up and start making assumptions about me. You already made one, I don't play ssb64 because of no wavedashing. You're wrong, Im one of the best in my country. Next you're gonna assume I have some sort of emotional attachment to the WD which I am defending on a smash forum (what a crime) and am either crying or have the ever famous Dylan_Tnga brand of ''anger problemz''

There's more to smash than simple tech skills. Realising that, you shouldn't be crying like you are about such a simple loss.

Of course theres more to a game than the techniques.. theres the basics of the game itself, the rules and etc. In smash before anything the first thing you must do is hit your opponent. The better he is, the harder this will be to do. There is MUCH more to smash than the techniques, but it is the techniques that make the foundation for how the game is played at its highest competitive level which of course matters more than casual levels of play for obvious reasons.

And just like I figured, I'm crying now.

Will you -please- stop with the assumptions and internet tough guy crap? From the way you talk youd think I was freaking out and flying of the handle and posting stuff like.. hm..

''If theres no wavedash in brawl I will ****ing kill myself its the most important thing only pros can do it and without wavedash I will not play and I hate nintendo''

When in reality, I'm discussing wavedashing... in the

WAVEDASHING THREAD

That is so true. I've mentioned it before. If he thinks he is so non-scrubby and so frikken elite at games and scrubs should not play multiplayer games blah blah "nooob noob noob".
Why the hell is he declaring that he sucks at brawl before its release and can't adapt to new things?

Ok, I'll kick your *** in ssb64 online right now. hows that? Then if you're in the area, stop by for melee Im nto half bad at that either. I talk smack about scrubs because I can beat em, not only in the game but outside of it discussing the game because it is just MIND BOGGLING how little 90 percent of this forum knows about smashbrothers and the intellectual game behind it.

Besides, my reasons for thinking this are very logical. In melee, if I try to stop wavedashing or SHFFLING or doing any ''advaaaannnncccceeeddd teeecccchhhhssss'' I ****ing CANT. Ok? Its grown into a habit with fox/shiek/mario my 3 mains. I also play falcon and ive noticed I do wavedash with him but it doesnt serve much of a purpose, with fox mario and shiek it is essential to my playstyle.

So hence if brawl had no wavedash Id just play captain falcon seriously and see what I could do with him. OMG CRUCIFY ME.

Yay for boycotting!! ROFLMAO this is still going on? Boycott fox!? can't do that, he's most likely gonna be top tier again! PPlus he's always fun.

Plus you will have to use other characters to unlock others...like beating classic mode or the likes. Unless you go the long way of player X many VS games. depends.

Or if you are the Ultimate Boycotter(dun dun dun), you will get someone else to do it for you. It is blasphemy by your book of holy wavedashing if you play with any character whose wavedashing potential has been scrapped.

*searches post for word boycott*
*finds one mention in a completly different context*

I will boycott every character I play that needs to wavedash as part of their spacing game, or MY PERSONAL spacing game. Those characters would be mario shiek and fox.

So if theres no wavedashing in brawl, I'll just play falcon. he rules.

So there we have it. You're just making things up to suit your argument. Plain and simple.

I seriously like some others here want to see wavedashing gone just to see the 400 pages of rants and cries from you. I'm sorry but I have to agree that will be very very funny

AGAIN!! wow I love this reason... so lets just analyse it

You want an important technique that has proven itself valuable to the game of smash removed just so that you can laugh at the frustration of others?

You're a saddistic ******* and you should be fed to the wolves.

You know Dylan for some reason or another you are the only one who is whining about wavedashing on this board.

Who's whining, first of all? Im just listing reasons as to why it should say and mentioning why I wouldnt be able to control fox/falco/mario without it due to the technique being essential to my spacing.

Secondly, if you seriously mean what you just posted then you're blind. No two ways around it, you're a bucktoothed hillbilly who can't read if you just posted that.

but hey if wavedashing is gone and after the rants and laughter, me and you go on a hunger strike in front of Nintendo HQ. I'll start making the pickets.

Right on. Except when no ones looking we eat steak, understood?

Cuz it's fun and I'm just killing some time till the next update.

lol forums own for killing time. But I saw the update awhile ago I just like arguing.

Peace 180CP

Bentobox you're a friggin' idiot and you don't even make me laugh. In all seriousness you can stop talking to me now, you're boring.

 

[The Hypnotist]

My little rant about wavedashing

It's time to spice up this thread...

So, if we've seen Pikachu air dodge...

We've just seen Mario air dodge in the bowser final picture...

And we even saw Wario freakin wavedash...

Not to mention they aren't building this game from scratch, they are building it from the Melee engine.

And if the devlopers really didn't like wavedashing they would have taken it out of the PAL version just like they took out or modified other things.

I mean you can even think of it this way. If there was no wavedsahing Crouch Canceling would be broken.

with all of this then we know that...
It is very safe to assume wavedashing will be in Brawl!

Is there anyone who still seriously doubts wavedashing being in Brawl because of crawling or the devlopers thought it was cheap or whatever? Does anyone honestly deny everything that I just said as being true?

Come on people, just for the sake of Brawl, I can honestly assure you that wavedashing will be in brawl.

I would like to hear direct feeedback, questions, comments and all from my little rant. Feel free to quote and respond.

 

[psicicle]

It's time to spice up this thread...

So, if we've seen Pikachu air dodge...

We've just seen Mario air dodge in the bowser final picture...

And we even saw Wario freakin wavedash...

Not to mention they aren't building this game from scratch, they are building it from the Melee engine.

And if the devlopers really didn't like wavedashing they would have taken it out of the PAL version just like they took out or modified other things.

I mean you can even think of it this way. If there was no wavedsahing Crouch Canceling would be broken.

with all of this then we know that...
It is very safe to assume wavedashing will be in Brawl!

Is there anyone who still seriously doubts wavedashing being in Brawl because of crawling or the devlopers thought it was cheap or whatever? Does anyone honestly deny everything that I just said as being true?

Come on people, just for the sake of Brawl, I can honestly assure you that wavedashing will be in brawl.

I would like to hear direct feeedback, questions, comments and all from my little rant. Feel free to quote and respond.

I am very sure that WD will be in brawl. However, the form that it takes is completely uncertain and I think that that should be a topic of discussion. Even if it is kept, will it be excactly the same as in melee, with distance and speed determined by traction? Will it be the same, or be a programmed characteristic of each character that is not dependant on the traction? Will it have the same 10 frames of lag or will that be increased or decreased? Will anybody have a wavedash like luigi's? How is the timing going to be? Will it have it's own animation?

Also, everybody knows about these vids that show something that looks a lot like wavedashing. But there is the possibility that characters could simply land like that. We need some footage of characters landing that show that they do not wavedash so that we can clarify this.

Also, how does no WD make CCing broken? From my experience, WD and CC aren't really related are they?

edit: the quote is in

 

[The Hypnotist]

I know what you mean about we don't know how WDing will be. Personally I think everyone's WD should be the same length, about Young Link (or Wario's length). Luigi shouldn't be able to clear FD as fast as Fox, it doesn't make sense and the devlopers of the game didn't expect that at all. About the CCing...

If you didn't slide at all when you CCed then you could just CC forever at outrageously high percentages. **** I'm mad my thread didn't appear at the top of the new page, can you edit your reply by quote my rant, or can someone quote it so it's on the new page,

 

[180OP]

@Dylan, that steak comment had me laughing for a while and the bucktoothed hillbilly! lmao. Whenever I hear that, I hear that guy in GTA 3 saying "Ma mawther is MA SIIIIStUR"! ROFlmao.

Dammit I'm exposed. I was just trynna make Dylan explode into a rage. Isn't working too well. yea forums are the best place to kill time.

but you live in CANADA?! and didn't tell me!? please tell me you in the T-DOT area!!?

SSB64, I get owned hard on Kaillera. Problem is, firstly I suck because I don't have the game anymore for N64, some guy stole it. Then I suck some more because I have MS Sidewinder and mapping jump to a button still doesn't enable me to short hop. It only has a Dpad so no tilt combos. I gotta get the bloody N64 connector or a PS2 USB. I'll probably use some of my scholarship money for it. I'll still play you. my tag is 180OP. But beware, I played Malva and did 15% damage on him. In our world, that's like 12 stocks.

SSBM. you'll have more competition there.

I can't believe you didn't mention you live in Canada.

Yes I do believe that those gif segments posted shows some new landing animations/physics and not wavedashing animations. I don't think Nintendo will make that public. I hope they don't.

If Nintendo does include wavedash I hope they don't change the physics or method.

WD and CC are not related except that they both make use of traction. CC is more specific because it relies on the amount of %. Hence you have fox/falco players who would exchange a smash attack at 0% CC then upSmash you ftw.

Only time will tell, what Nintendo has done with WD. I want them to give it a better look. In Melee, characters like Luigi look like they are taking dumps in spurts.

pscicle, about the frames of lag, I said this before. I want Nintendo to make it more accessible, but cutting the lag, so you can smash earlier or jump earlier during the wavedash animation. That would make things very fast.

 

[psicicle]

I think the amount of WD lag now is incredibly small. It's one sixth of a second, so making it even faster won't really change much IMO. I never feel any WD lag. That is, I have never WDed, pressed a button only to have my character do nothing. Nevertheless, I can't predict the consequences of a faster wavedash.

Right now, the thing that stops me from using the WD for some chars is startup lag. When you compare the start up lag of ganon to fox, there is a very noticeable difference. I hope that this becomes the same and becomes reduced for all characters because I'm lazy and don't want to learn new timings for each character and because it really nerfs the move.

 

[psicicle]

If you didn't slide at all when you CCed then you could just CC forever at outrageously high percentages.

Don't most attacks knock you upwards a little anyway? At somewhat high %, most of the time even when I or my opponent CCs, I or he goes up, even if one of us hits the ground quickly. Also, WDing can be removed by keeping the character in the "airdodge" mode, similar to what happens when you airdodge against a wall or something. That would preserve the character's sliding.

 

[Onifrio]

In response to your second post (because there was two back to back from each other ) making the characters stay in airdodge mode when they hit the ground would really cripple some of the mechanics that made melee what it is. Not being able to slide off a platform would blow.

 

[The Bino]

Ok when looking at the one where Wario is Wavelanding, has anyone given any thought on just exactly where he is landing when he 1st hits the ground?

Anyone ever remember the update about rolling carts and barrels?

Look where Wario is landing now, he is landing on a slant, which might explain why he is "Wavelanding".................. maybe they did change the landing physics because this gif with Wario seems to lean towards that way IMO, but like i said that's my opinion

Now to me when you look at Metaknight's gif, when i look at the one where u can see he is landing on the platform and than tumbles down and does a tech.... it doesn't look like a roll, it doesn't look like he ran off the ledge, it looks again like those new physics they added, he is landing and falls off the platform and start tumbling down, than he techs and gets right back up

 

[BentoBox]

@Dylan: If anything you're the only one acting like a tough guy and bragging about internet skills and spitting all that noob crap. I never said you suked I simply was saying that the ppl there don't need amazing tech skills to get you down, and you yourself are a proof of that. L2read. Certainly your "game" did evolve from 64 to GC, losing WD doesn't necesarily mean it'd degrade. Again, pathetic excuse.

ps. you're an idiot.

 

[The Bino]

@Dylan: If anything you're the only one acting like a tough guy and bragging about internet skills and spitting all that noob crap. I never said you suked I simply was saying that the ppl there don't need amazing tech skills to get you down, and you yourself are a proof of that. L2read. Certainly your "game" did evolve from 64 to GC, losing WD doesn't necesarily mean it'd degrade. Again, pathetic excuse.

ps. you're an idiot.

Im gonna end this right here

BentoBox - you sure can have your opinions about how Dylan does and says whatever, i myself have had arguements with Dylan and i have gotten upset to the point that you have gotten, its frustrating when ppl don't see what you have to say eye to eye huh, well how about u take what he says/said and instead of taking it into perspective and see it through his view instead of clouding your own judgement with your perspective

there is alwasy 2 or more sides to the story

Dylan - again you have yet another arguement with the "Wavedashing in Brawl concept" let it be, im getting sick and tired of seeing this arguement in a lot of threads now, don't know where i keep seeing it pop up but when ever someone brings up "i hope they take out WD in Brawl" there you are to defend it, ppl have opinions, let them express it without you jumping down their throats and forcing your persectives on others just to prove that WD is vital to MELEE.... WD was and still is in Melee, so enjoy it as you can play Melee for now and til you ever get bored of it if you ever do get bored of it Brawl may/may not have WD, we don't know, updates are coming everyday, and til i either see an update stating that WD is in and its under techniques than im gonna sit back and either wait for the update, or wait til i get the game and test it out for myself.... we all know (at least i do) how u feel bout what WD does for Melee, but let the arguement die here and now im begging you, im just tired of seeing your name involved in arguements revolving around WD.... if you're competitive in Melee meaning you go to tournaments and can place decent or even at that, if you place anywhere in a tournament means that you understand how WD has to be used and how its effective, but WD isn' t the only tech you need to know (ive said this b4, im not repeating my arguement) im in the tournament scene in NY and i can honestly say i back your opinions to a certain degree, WD is a good tech to learn, its vital to tournament play in MELEE.... but we don't know anything bout Brawl, so please im asking you nicely let the arguement die and let it be done with

 

[soaz]

Im gonna end this right here

BentoBox - you sure can have your opinions about how Dylan does and says whatever, i myself have had arguements with Dylan and i have gotten upset to the point that you have gotten, its frustrating when ppl don't see what you have to say eye to eye huh, well how about u take what he says/said and instead of taking it into perspective and see it through his view instead of clouding your own judgement with your perspective

there is alwasy 2 or more sides to the story

Dylan - again you have yet another arguement with the "Wavedashing in Brawl concept" let it be, im getting sick and tired of seeing this arguement in a lot of threads now, don't know where i keep seeing it pop up but when ever someone brings up "i hope they take out WD in Brawl" there you are to defend it, ppl have opinions, let them express it without you jumping down their throats and forcing your persectives on others just to prove that WD is vital to MELEE.... WD was and still is in Melee, so enjoy it as you can play Melee for now and til you ever get bored of it if you ever do get bored of it Brawl may/may not have WD, we don't know, updates are coming everyday, and til i either see an update stating that WD is in and its under techniques than im gonna sit back and either wait for the update, or wait til i get the game and test it out for myself.... we all know (at least i do) how u feel bout what WD does for Melee, but let the arguement die here and now im begging you, im just tired of seeing your name involved in arguements revolving around WD.... if you're competitive in Melee meaning you go to tournaments and can place decent or even at that, if you place anywhere in a tournament means that you understand how WD has to be used and how its effective, but WD isn' t the only tech you need to know (ive said this b4, im not repeating my arguement) im in the tournament scene in NY and i can honestly say i back your opinions to a certain degree, WD is a good tech to learn, its vital to tournament play in MELEE.... but we don't know anything bout Brawl, so please im asking you nicely let the arguement die and let it be done with

Wow you must be seriously tired of that argument if you take your time to write a post like that.

 

[maxpower1227]

Ok, I haven't read through 32 pages of this thread, but I for one hope wavedashing is NOT in Brawl. Sure it makes for some very complex strategies, but I just think it is an unnatural movement that turns the game into a sort of precision twitch-fest. I think it would seem absurd if there was a button for "slide your character back and forth along the ground", which is essentially what a wavedash is. It's a glitch that results in a completely unnatural, unrealistic movement which to me detracts from the game. I'm sure there are ways to incorporate good strategy into the game without having to resort to twitch-reflex button combinations that result in the characters defying the laws of physics.

I vote NO on wavedashing.

 

[soaz]

So what you want is basically one button that will act like a wavedash button? That would be possible now that you can change the controlls the way you like it.I would make my wavedash button X:D

 

[Lost Darkness]

If Nintendo implement Wavedashing which absolutely everyone can easily discover and utilize, it'll be suitable enough, in my opinion.

 

[maxpower1227]

So what you want is basically one button that will act like a wavedash button? That would be possible now that you can change the controlls the way you like it.I would make my wavedash button X:D

No, I said it would seem ridiculous if there WAS a wavedash button. I pointed out that it would seem silly to have a button described as "make your character slide back and forth on the ground for some reason", but that's essentially what wavedashing is.

 

[Adi]

Ok, I haven't read through 32 pages of this thread, but I for one hope wavedashing is NOT in Brawl. Sure it makes for some very complex strategies, but I just think it is an unnatural movement that turns the game into a sort of precision twitch-fest. I think it would seem absurd if there was a button for "slide your character back and forth along the ground", which is essentially what a wavedash is. It's a glitch that results in a completely unnatural, unrealistic movement which to me detracts from the game. I'm sure there are ways to incorporate good strategy into the game without having to resort to twitch-reflex button combinations that result in the characters defying the laws of physics.

I vote NO on wavedashing.

Urgh, these posts by new members who haven't read most of the thread never cease. Just because YOU don't like the way it looks doesn't make it a viable reason to remove it. It's a d*mn video game, if you don't like the way it looks, don't use it.