According To Sakurai, Patch 1.0.4 Will Be The Final Balance Patch

[erico9001]

This has nothing to do with the article buuuuuuut....

The WiiU and 3DS versions are different then?

Whew... I thought it was just me messing stuff up when I could do it on someone's WiiU but not on my 3DS.

On the flip side, this kind of sucks since I don't own a WiiU but try to play in tournament...

The Wii U version basically had 1.04 before the 3ds did. Any differences between the games are very, very miniscule (like I think blast zones may be slightly different for FD).

 

[Alex Night]

If this is true, I can't help but feel sorry for these characters unless the meta develops and brings something good for them:



(kind of)

I support this. Like, why would he stop putting out a balance patch right now when characters like Charizard has specific design flaws like how his Jab 1 has little to no hitstun where almost any character can just Nair out of it before it can link properly into Jab 2 unless you hopefully get it through mashing the A button, how his Bair has so much landing lag on it that there is far more risk than reward for trying to edgeguard with it and the flame has such a tight hitbox, or how his UpSmash doesn't link properly and leaves him completely wide open for a counterattack. I mean, he may do another patch in the far off future but damn it he needs it now along with some of the others that are suffering from poor design.

Hey, but at least we have Diddy Kong and Sheik to get good with, right??? (Sarcasm just doesn't work over the Net.)

*sigh* I'm sorry, I'll just go and get a drink... Don't worry, it's Chateau Romani.

 

[Toon612Link]

Lies, There must be one more patch if mewtwo seems too OP or weak.

 

[TheNationatWar]

Villager is waaaayyy too OP.

Give him a couple nerfs, like decrease how long the tree sprouting hitbox lasts, and maybe down his fair knockback a bit.

That is all from my end.

Villager is alsoeasy to kill and not very fast, he needs big dage if he wants to get anything done

 

[Black Mantis]

I think it's on sale now.

 

[TheZizz]

Nerf the unanimous choices and nerf anyone who would rather win more easily than have a better game.

 

[Kitsune91]

"Sakurai" and "Balanced" in the same sentence? looool

 

[_Magus_]

I said it before, and i'll say it again...

PRAISE THE DORF FOR HE IS GOOD!!! HIS GANOCIDE IS EVERLASTING!!!!!!

 

[_Magus_]

If this is true, I can't help but feel sorry for these characters unless the meta develops and brings something good for them:



(kind of)

Don't feel sorry for us Ganons. We still have our chainchokes, techchases, insane killpower, hard-to-kill-ness, and Ganocide

 

[Kid_Carlton13]

After Patch v.1.0.4 removed a few glitches and techniques from Smash 4, the some of the Smash community adopted the mantra "in before patch." Whenever someone found a powerful technique or interesting idea, many expected to see it patched out immediately. However, it appears that creator Masahiro Sakurai has no further plans to balance the game with patches, outside of updates to improve online functionality.

Hoping your character will get buffed like Shulk did? You're out of luck.​

In an interview from Famitsu, Sakurai made it clear he felt balancing the game was no longer necessary. Here is a translated portion of said interview, provided by EventHubs.

In the future, do you plan on adjusting or balancing the game further through a patch?

Sakurai: We don't have any such plans, but at the very least we will be working on a few things connected to the online play experience, bit by bit.

If we were to do something like tweak characters' customized special moves, then there'd be no end to it. But with that said, if there are any glaring issues, we may address them.

That's because with customized special moves or items, you can only play with them enabled online with players who are in your friends list, isn't that right?

Sakurai: When playing with your personal friends, I think it's probably more interesting that you can almost cheat a little through customizing your character. *Laughs*

See the untranslated interview scan here.

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My friend doesn't even go against Diddy Kong players

 

[J0Y]

INCLUDING Diddy I'm happy. Chances are, people will find a good way to counter him.

diddys grab to upper is almost like a chain grab...even worse it still connects well after higher percents.

 

[J0Y]

who here is a Samus main and agrees that Samus doesnt need buffs? I think Samus really needs it.Ive been playing her day 1 and against skilled players and EVERY CHARACTER but samus has a move that can make up for their weakness.or have a move that kills early...

 

[Ryuji]

Honestly I dont think anything else needs to be patched anyway...game has been out for a few weeks and there's no need to change anything else after the patches we've had already. Plus I'm still loving my much deserved Shulk buffs.

 

[DavemanCozy]

*Final planned balance patch

 

[Wasp]

i want a nerf on Ness. I F*CKING hate Ness. Yesterday i won everything like twelve plays in a row, but then a new challenger came up, spamming only pk fire and backhtrow. There was litterally nothing i could do against it. The PK fire really needs to stop stunning. It should give knockback when hit, not keep the foe in the fire, making it almost a standard to continue by grabbing, throw down, and f-air a few times after giving a 0% a change to almost 60%.

I never really played against hard to beat Diddy Kongs, but i fear himn a little now that i see everyone complaining about him...

 

[Grackin]

He said he's going to fix glaring issues... Let the meta develop a bit and I'm sure he'll fix things that happen. No need to blow this post out of proportion .

 

[Im Fragbait]

Yo everyone needs to chill about diddy i understand he's good but theres always gonna be a top tier regardless. AND IMO SMASH 4 IS SO BALANCED ITS LIKE THE ONLY HAVE A AND B TIER CHARACTERS

 

[The Original Robot boy]

i said balance patching

i hope it's a mistranslation

i don't even care if they're not major patches, just bring the terrible characters in line with the really good ones and I'll be happy

Exactly like Megamans animations need to be reduced BIG TIME

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Exactly like Megamans animations need to be reduced BIG TIME

I disagree completely because Megaman is already a good character. It sounds like you're using his smash attacks, in which case that means you're not using Crash Bomb/Blade/Leaf Shield and jab and ftilt, which means you're probably not playing him correctly

 

[The Original Robot boy]

I disagree completely because Megaman is already a good character. It sounds like you're using his smash attacks, in which case that means you're not using Crash Bomb/Blade/Leaf Shield and jab and ftilt, which means you're probably not playing him correctly

i barely use his smashes i use buzzsaw more than anything then i use his f tilt or down tilt

 

[allison]

who here is a Samus main and agrees that Samus doesnt need buffs? I think Samus really needs it.Ive been playing her day 1 and against skilled players and EVERY CHARACTER but samus has a move that can make up for their weakness.or have a move that kills early...

I have to admit I'm still waiting for her to be capable of charging in midair...

 

[Phoenix502]

I doubt this will be the end of the patches, because I have a feeling Mewtwo's return to Smash will not be as universally positive once people actually start using it.... granted, most of the new changes will be so that it can seamlessly be integrated with everyone, but who knows if anyone else will be tweaked from under our noses.

I have to admit I'm still waiting for her to be capable of charging in midair...

you mean outside of Project--- *shot*

 

[Mr. Cuddles]

It's way too soon to call Diddy a "glaring issue" especially since I distinctly remember someone using a weird character to completely dismantle a Diddy in a recent tournament.

Smash 4 has so many characters that even if some are much better than other I feel as though each one of them will have a huge weakness to at least one other character, balancing them out and decentralizing the metagame.



Even in Melee you see people experimenting with other characters as a counter pick to higher tiers. This sort of thing will become even more present in a game with 50 characters, and if customs start making their way into the game that could change the game up even more. There's already more than enough content to keep the game fresh for years to come and we haven't even gotten all of the characters yet! MewTwo could drastically change the Smash landscape for all we know, and he might not even be the only DLC character offered.

you DO see people trying to counter pick higher tier characters but it doesnt work, they STILL lose exept for rare occasions.this game is fresh for now because its still new , but im afriad this will eventually be a case where the few high tier characters will be used , and the rest unused. mabey im wrong but im seeing a brawl-like tier list down the line.(side note , i hope mewtwo isnt the only character offered either.)

 

[GroundZero996]

you DO see people trying to counter pick higher tier characters but it doesnt work, they STILL lose exept for rare occasions.this game is fresh for now because its still new , but im afriad this will eventually be a case where the few high tier characters will be used , and the rest unused. mabey im wrong but im seeing a brawl-like tier list down the line.(side note , i hope mewtwo isnt the only character offered either.)

I don't know what you're talking about. Sure the lesser players counter pick and they don't get as much out of it but I've seen time and time again the best players are picking funky characters and doing amazingly with them.

 

[Hydde]

This is nothing short of bullshid.

I know Sak never said he is not planning to NOT PATCH EVER AGAIN...... but the sole idea of that happening is mind blowing.

This game is more balanced than old ones... but still there are just too many strong characters up in the top...and too many very average ones in the bottom.

Charizard is VERY bad compared to his brawl version...WTF.

 

[proxibomb]

According to some redditors, this is actually a huge mistranslation. What Sakurai js actually saying, is that he doesn't have any patches planned at this time. Here's where I got the information.

Remember, this is a mistranslation.

 

[Retroend]

if anything kirby needs more buffs. seriously buff his range on his feet and grab range and give him some combo potential. i can't believe sakurai is oblivious to kirby's weaknesses.

 

[ZomBiehn]

Dear Santa,
All I want for chiristmas
1) Diddy Balance patch
2) Diddy Balance patch
3) Diddy Balance patch

 

[Fools Requiem]

seeing as video games nowadays get many patches, I think it's refreshing to see a game only get like one or two patches and that's it. It's a testament to how well made the game is.

 

[-Se7en-]

These are the threads where players who don't know how to adapt lurk.

They will complain about everything. If Diddy loses his Uair then they will cry about Rosalina or Sheik.

Sorry guys, complaining doesn't make you a respectable player.

While I'm at it, DThrow into Uair isn't a legit combo.

Keep rolling and spamming smash attacks kids.

 

[-Champ-]

I think it's on sale now.

( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°) ( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)

 

[Defex]

Sakurai is a liar I think we should all know this by now. I see a balance patch coming not soon but, there will be one.

 

[Young Lion Roy]

Actually, i'm not, Shulk is my main. ^_^

same

 

[-Champ-]

Tournament:

Well, its a hell of alot better than this:

 

[Ultresmasher5]

!!!

 

[Bilbao]

need some buff