A Rest Discussion Thread

[illinialex24]

Here's a thread to discuss getting extreme penetration before falling asleep. Discuss.

 

[Metatitan]

Drill

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[Noobicidal]

Actually, since Veril no longer updates/discusses Rest anymore, this is a totally legitimate topic.

 

[Metatitan]

I can honestly only think of four legit setups for rest.

1. Drill (no ****ing duh)
2. Soft Fair (risky but fun as hell)
3. Reading Airdodges and punishing with rising rest
4. Shielding and jumping out of your shield to rest (mangorape)

 

[illinialex24]

Apparently staled uair does work on Sheik.

 

[Metatitan]

Yeah.... cuz we stale that move sooooooooooooooo much xD

 

[PND]

I do. Staled uair is amazing.

 

[Metatitan]

Yes but how exactly do you plan to stale it? It's normally set up after a Bair/Fair and a character that doesn't have an amazing air game will not tango with jigglypuff in the air so juggling with it is out of the question.

 

[PND]

U throw. U air x as many as possible, then either bair, fair, or pound them depending on how they react. Or, if they're stupid, rest them. You can ask Jiggernaut about how effective my Uairs are on really good opponents.

Or, utilt into uair. Or pound into uair. So many options!

 

[illinialex24]

U-throw to uair hits at around -40%.

 

[SuSa]

Uair can also be staled on the Smashville Baloon (1 time realisticly) Luigi's Mansion (until you break all the pillars) and the shy guys on Yoshi's Island (Brawl) (make sure to hit them 1 at at time to stale it the most)

So uhm... yah... thinking outside the box.

 

[Metatitan]

I usually stale jab so that her aerials do more damage =/

 

[PND]

I stale her Uair by, you know, using it. It keeps her other moves fresh, juggles well, and sets up great chase options.

 

[illinialex24]

Except it has relatively poor first hit potential....... I mean if you have the option sure. But don't pull a Woody and start shield poking with it.

 

[tEhrXXz0r]

I can honestly only think of four legit setups for rest.

1. Drill (no ****ing duh)
2. Soft Fair (risky but fun as hell)
3. Reading Airdodges and punishing with rising rest
4. Shielding and jumping out of your shield to rest (mangorape)

Add:

5. Predict a roll, space yourself appropriately, then Rest.

 

[mountain_tiger]

Surely you can also rest after using an edge-cancelled Sing (assuming that your opponent is dumb enough to be there at the time, of course)?

 

[SuSa]

That depends on the %. It didn't work for me at 5% (I couldn't even fair)

I'll be finding out the formula for Rest if you guys haven't so far.

 

[Red Arremer]

The title of this thread kinda scares me, yet it does attract me, as well.

 

[Noobicidal]

Surely you can also rest after using an edge-cancelled Sing (assuming that your opponent is dumb enough to be there at the time, of course)?

I do this quite often against opponents with predictable ledge games.

 

[illinialex24]

This is my only thread that isn't locked .

Anyway, has anyone thought of the ledge canceled jump/sing rest or whatever.

 

[Metatitan]

It sucks. You should almost never hit with sing unless it's an accident.

 

[Thinkaman]

I always stale bair. Dunno why you wouldn't, maybe if it was like... a Jiggs ditto?

 

[illinialex24]

I always stale bair. Dunno why you wouldn't, maybe if it was like... a Jiggs ditto?

Nah, thats the best time. Much better bair than normal

Oh and Meta... I mean the sing infinite jump glitch, IE, below the stage for a rare surprise.

 

[Metatitan]

I stale bair when possible. The only downside is that the majority of matchups don't exactly allow you to do this so you have to think outside the box (i.e. gw)

 

[PND]

I stale bair when possible. The only downside is that the majority of matchups don't exactly allow you to do this

Waitaminute. . . what? Lol. The majority of matches bair is one of your most useful tools, it's only a token few where it's not.

 

[Metatitan]

Anyone with more range than you, you will find that you have to use Fair instead. And that's the majority of the cast.

 

[Thinkaman]

Thinkaman's Law:

The proper ratio of Pound-to-bair usage in any given Jigglypuff matchup is directly proportional to the relative difficulty of that matchup.

MK's ratio is high for an even matchup, Marth's and Wario's are a bit low for their difficulty; otherwise this is completely accurate. Feel free to question it so I can make fun of you in a rude and condescending manner and underlines my personal flaws and insecurities.

 

[Metatitan]

Mk is not an even matchup, jigglypuff does not have the right tools to fight him with (namely a potent kill move that isn't risky).

 

[Maniclysane]

Please don't make this another matchup discussion thread.

To be honest, rest needs no set up. It's a one frame move and should only be used as a punisher. Drills only work if they are on the ground and in the right position. They're situational and most characters can avoid them.

Just learn how to rest through moves. :X

 

[Metatitan]

^
LOL don't tell me how to rest through moves, I've been doing it almost as long as Veril has been (or had been). Point being drill rest is the best setup for rest because a perfect rest is a reflex, which is difficult to get because you cant automatically rest anything at any % or you will get punished hard.