brawlpro
Smash Master
lol isai's g&w or pichu could **** any character of his...and mine....
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a NEW tier list?
- Thread starter Zantetsu
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greenblob
Smash Lord
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
brawlpro
Smash Master
dyln...tell me what i gotta do on my thread...not some teir list(hopefully it was a joke...)...its rite her: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=110327
check it out if ya wantz ta.
check it out if ya wantz ta.
Thino
Smash Master
melee is b& from this board
ant-d
Smash Lord
bampersand
Yeah, what moogle said.
Yeah, what moogle said.
M3tr01D
Smash Lord
Samus goes to bottom
Link moves up
Ness moves down
Fox moves up
Jiggs moves down
so my list would look something like this
Top -
Pika
Fox
Upper -
Kirby
Falcon
Middle -
Ness
Mario
DK
Low -
Yoshi
Jiggly
Link
Bottom-
Luigi
Samus
The biggest thing here is knocking jiggly so far down, I did this because of her shield vulnerability vs Ness and Kirby. She has no shield in these matches because if she uses it she will die. Even though link has such bad recovery he still has a great on the stage game. Fox with lasers and combos moves higher.
Link moves up
Ness moves down
Fox moves up
Jiggs moves down
so my list would look something like this
Top -
Pika
Fox
Upper -
Kirby
Falcon
Middle -
Ness
Mario
DK
Low -
Yoshi
Jiggly
Link
Bottom-
Luigi
Samus
The biggest thing here is knocking jiggly so far down, I did this because of her shield vulnerability vs Ness and Kirby. She has no shield in these matches because if she uses it she will die. Even though link has such bad recovery he still has a great on the stage game. Fox with lasers and combos moves higher.
brawlpro
Smash Master
lol fox is already at the top, how will he move up?
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
your thinking about melee and this game isn't near the same as melee
brawlpro
Smash Master
i was in tha earlier pages but not when i said how will fox move up...and i disagree on what you said...the games are pretty different but not as much as you described them...
Zantetsu
Smash Master
The only thing the 2 game's have in common are there the same type of fighters and there related. Thats about it.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
do you even play ssb64?
no
brawlpro
Smash Master
umm, that was the first ssb game i played...if i didn't i wouldn't really know bout melee...seriously...
M3tr01D
Smash Lord
On the old list fox is below pikachu, kirby, and ness. In my list he is only below pikachu.
maybe falcon > ness, even.. (based on the isai vids i've watched lol)M3tr01D
Smash Lord
so why are you trying to change things for the tier list if you don't play competitively based on what you've seen from someone's vids? that makes no sense.
karterfreak
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Aug 6, 2007
- Messages
- 39
The only thing i would change on the tier list, is put ness above kirby. Ness' combo ablitity is rather insane in the hands of a decent player (improved moreso on lighter chatacters) and his utilt is broken on characters that arent light. Sure he is easy to intercept, but thats only if you get him at the edge.
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
Umm isais Ness= god ssb ness reserch befor you post stupid stuff like this
greenblob
Smash Lord
Isai claims that his Ness isn't that great.
Anyway, from what I've observed, the tier list should be:
Top:
Pika
Fox
High:
Kirby
Falcon
Ness
Mid:
Mario
Jiggly
Low:
DK
Yoshi
Luigi
Bottom:
Link
Samus
Kirby and Ness move down because few pros use them and outside of combo vids (and perhaps Isai vids), I've never seen Ness zero-to-death combo. Link moves up because of Isai. Fox moves up because he's too good. And I always thought that DK and Yoshi should be in the same tier.
Anyway, from what I've observed, the tier list should be:
Top:
Pika
Fox
High:
Kirby
Falcon
Ness
Mid:
Mario
Jiggly
Low:
DK
Yoshi
Luigi
Bottom:
Link
Samus
Kirby and Ness move down because few pros use them and outside of combo vids (and perhaps Isai vids), I've never seen Ness zero-to-death combo. Link moves up because of Isai. Fox moves up because he's too good. And I always thought that DK and Yoshi should be in the same tier.
SheerMadness
Smash Master
- Joined
- Aug 18, 2005
- Messages
- 4,781
You're right, I'm just a melee noob who doesn't know what hes talking about. =E
M3tr01D
Smash Lord
I really think people need to stop posting "omg isai can beat someone with this character they can't be bottom tier in fact they should be the toppest tier ."
ss118
Smash Master
I think the tier list needs to stay as is, maybe Luigi should be moved up, idk.
marthmaster04
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2004
- Messages
- 852
Hmm, with 64 its extremely hard to put one character over another. In all reality, I don't think there should be a tier list for smash64 because we'll never see a true top level to players or their abilities with characters.
greenblob
Smash Lord
Actually, I believe the most accurate tier list would be divided this way:
Isai can win 100% of the time with:
Isai can win 75-100% of the time with:
Isai can win 50-75% of the time with:
brawlpro
Smash Master
isai..OWNZ!
Che_Lab
Smash Lord
Isai is too good.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Oh my god fanboys.
Anyhow, methinks that in AMERICAN VERSION, Pika is obviously > all. But fox and falcon IMO are better than kirby and ness. Maybe not kirby because of just how h4x his hitboxes are, but falcon and fox are way better than ness, they just put him up there because of DJC and how it wows ppl.
Anyhow, methinks that in AMERICAN VERSION, Pika is obviously > all. But fox and falcon IMO are better than kirby and ness. Maybe not kirby because of just how h4x his hitboxes are, but falcon and fox are way better than ness, they just put him up there because of DJC and how it wows ppl.
marthmaster04
Smash Ace
- Joined
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- Messages
- 852
haha, I love the worship on these boards. We all know he's a great player, but ffs do you kids have to feed his ego 24/7? 
greenblob
Smash Lord
That's the problem though. In most metagames, there is no one clear "best player," or if there is, he/she's usually just barely better. In Smash 64, Isai is much better than rest of the competition, and therefore he is probably the single largest consideration within tier list discussions.
M3tr01D
Smash Lord
There is a difference between considering his ability and saying for every single character " This character should move up because Isai can win with him and therefore can't be bottom"
Thino
Smash Master
yaaay a cocky n00b to break all the seriousness !
tell us more about that?
tell us more about that?
Volrec
Smash Lord
Sig'd .
10
greenblob
Smash Lord
I agree, but sometimes there's a difference. If Isai is better with character A than he is with character B, and there aren't any people who can beat his A with B, then A would be above B.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
M3tr01D
Smash Lord
I don't know any good nesses that main ness.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a noob, but I think DK should be a little higher up, for the sake of having 2 spikes (2 spikes are always better than 1 :D) and a good grab. At least put him at the bottom of mid instead of the top of low =/ I wish I knew where to place CF, he's like the Indianapolis Colts (for those who watch football)....amazing offensive power, but gets whooped around too -_-'
Thino
Smash Master
are u guys doin tier based upon individual character moves/skills/priority/whatever or how many players playing it at a high level?
greenblob
Smash Lord
I think he should be high/middle. We've all seen what Ness can do in combo videos. But then Quickman's Ness or any other Nesses out there that are comparable should be the ultimate decider for Ness's placing.
And tiers are based off how each character does in the metagame.