A conundrum.

[InterimOfZeal]

So, I had a tournament that was supposed to be HOMG HUGE last weekend. We only had about.... 47-50 people show up, and only 6 of 'em were OoSers. Mebbe 7 or 8.

My Sonic did pretty terribly, partially because I put myself in a hard bracket, and partially because I hadn't played in a long *** time. I was able to beat scrubby players, but it took WAAAAAAAAAY too **** long. I only got to play good players twice in bracket (lost both times, was 2-0ed), and the rest of the time was spent playing them in friendlies.

Brawl is boring as **** when you're playing scrubs with Sonic. It's not like when you're playing against them in Melee, and you just **** them in under 2 minutes. Sonic has to outplay them, and when you're facing someone that just spams high priority moves in a random order, it takes forever to get around them.

When I'm playing someone better, like Dai-A (who ***** me pretty handily, I might add), Brawl is fun. It's intense. It is almost a good game.

When I'm playing scrubs, I want to scrape my eyeballs out.

I haven't touched Brawl since the tournament, and I'm really debating whether or not to go back to it. On the one hand, it has Sonic, the motha****in' KING of speed. On the other, it's just terrible.

tl;dr - I'm thinking about quitting Brawl because playing crappy players is no fun, and a lot of work. Should I pick up MK and just own until the matches that matter, should I go MK all the way, or should I just quit Brawl and play SSBM, 3s, and GG? Or, do you guys have some secret super-strategy for owning scrubs in under 3 minutes?

 

[Umby]

Quit Brawl. You can afford to do so, most likely, assuming you have a good amount of Melee players hanging around.

 

[-Big_-Blue 9]

PICK UP MELEE
And I don't mean this as completely drop the other two, it's just that the people who play Melee
are more likely to be skilled at the game because the "casuals" don't play it as often anymore.
I'm guessing you love playing as Sonic so maybe it'll just be your preference of what game you like to
play competitively but there's more of a challenge in playing Melee so you won't be facing "scrubs" quite as often as you claim.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Best option would be to quit Brawl, providing you've got a good Melee scene around.
If they stuck Sonic in Melee, I sure as hell wouldn't be playing Brawl right now.
And if you're not enjoying Brawl, what's the point in playing it?

 

[ShadowLink84]

I am hacking the game currently.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

If they stuck Sonic in Melee, I sure as hell wouldn't be playing Brawl right now.

CURSE YOU APRIL FOOLS CURSE YOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!XDD

If the scrubs you are fightin play that way,sheild grab 'em over and over until they smarten up.XD

But if you're not having fun there's no point in playing....

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Shield grabbing mach tornado is kinda hard, as is fireballs. D:

 

[TwinkleToes]

Well, you could always try out-gaying them. Like, ledge camp and see how they react.

 

[JayBee]

just brush em off with someone else. no big deal. but plz. pla. dont choose meta. that path is too low for a sonic main like you.

 

[da K.I.D.]

no i like your first option

play MK/snake/ insert high tier char here. until you play against good opponents, i do the same thing.
if you want to get rid of scrubs quick, i suggest falco, chaingrab to spike everystock, if they are scrubs, they wont be able to survive
also, play what makes you happy, im playing brawl more thanSC4 right now, because i have more fun, so if you like GG SF or even melty blood at the time play it, i hope you dont give up on brawl cus i looked up to you fro quite a while, but what ever puts a smile on your face, do that

 

[Tenki]

Yeah, I noticed this too. I picked up Falcon to kill bad players `.`;

When I play against bad players, I kill considerably faster with Falcon than I do with Sonic.

At one point, it's kinda sad, but eh, it gets the job done, and it's not (usually) overkill and still somewhat fun.

I guess if they're bad enough, you can throw them off the edge and just blah them to death with Sonic. Gimp kills are still the fastest ._.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

if you want to get rid of scrubs quick, i suggest falco, chaingrab to spike everystock, if they are scrubs, they wont be able to survive.

Nothings more satisfying than making a scrubs jaw drop to the floor.

Spoiler

except,for steak,maybeXD

 

[Tenki]

oh yeah, if you're playing nooby players, play near the edge, predict rolls (it's a trademark 'bad reflex' movement, isn't it?) and punish said movements with charged smashes.

It's an imperfect technique that I stole from Phoenix Dark, who literally sucks in bad players with Sonic's charging F-smash.

A full charged Fsmash will save you 40% of damage, so I'm guessing it's about 10% less for each half second of charge lol.

 

[memphischains]

IoZ, I feel the exactly same way as you, but I realized something during my times of dusk...

Sonic is still Sonic, and a john is still a john.
I can't let him go

 

[Boxob]

Melee.








Melee.







Play with me.

 

[Espy Rose]

IoZ, I feel the exactly same way as you, but I realized something during my times of dusk...

Sonic is still Sonic, and a john is still a john.
I can't let him go

I'm having the same problem as the two of you...

Is this a pandemic?

 

[Tenki]

I'm having the same problem as the two of you...

Is this a pandemic?

No, it's a fact.

Sonic has low KO power, and as a character sucks enough so that you have to outplay your opponents constantly to win, regardless of skill .


PS, unrelated note, this is disgusting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKQprvO58Q

 

[aeghrur]

No, it's a fact.

Sonic has low KO power, and as a character sucks enough so that you have to outplay your opponents constantly to win, regardless of skill .


PS, unrelated note, this is disgusting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKQprvO58Q

Yeah... that metaknight was... well, so good from just spamming. Dx Idk what to call that, lol. Good thing peach won. =P

 

[Umby]

Fucking gross match.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

I'm not losing to the bad players. The match just isn't fun. I do the charged smashes, footstool combos, and all that, but it's just not interesting.

I'll try Falcon first, since I love playing as him anyway. If that doesn't work, MK and Falco, here I come.

And that match was tight, but exactly what I'm talking about. Sonic can beat shuttle loop, but you still have to predict it and space really well, whereas he just needs to keep spam-canceling it. D:

 

[Tenki]

And that match was tight, but exactly what I'm talking about. Sonic can beat shuttle loop, but you still have to predict it and space really well, whereas he just needs to keep spam-canceling it. D:

Oh, so you're up against that...?

if they're using MK, spring counter-spam is like, the only thing you can use to beat initial shuttle loops.

I guess if you can get them to start playing less offensive and start pressuring harder, they'll be more predictable and easier to kill, but otherwise, I'm sorry ;__;

edit:
the stupid part about that was that, according to Ayaz18, that guy using MK won the tourney.

that is disgusting.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

That's Brawl for you.

 

[ChewyChase]

The sad thing is that a LOT of people are doing this for whatever reason with the characters that are eh...

'Harder to play', or those where you have to 'outplay your nub spammers'.

Any newb that plays his high priority character versus Sonic you have to win by freaking them out... because approaches that are even relatively normal don't work.

I agree though, and I understand where you're coming from...

 

[InterimOfZeal]

It's even worse playing someone who has an idea of what they're doing. MK is just dumb.

 

[da K.I.D.]

trufax

but kingace is garbage... thats what upsets me, all you have to do is know the mechanics of the game to win with him, i still stand by my suggestion to kill nubs, CG with falco, or if theyre really bad, use ike and kill them at 40% with f-smash

 

[aeghrur]

Oh, so you're up against that...?

if they're using MK, spring counter-spam is like, the only thing you can use to beat initial shuttle loops.

I guess if you can get them to start playing less offensive and start pressuring harder, they'll be more predictable and easier to kill, but otherwise, I'm sorry ;__;

edit:
the stupid part about that was that, according to Ayaz18, that guy using MK won the tourney.

that is disgusting.

That's just wrong... -_-" Sigh, it sure takes skill to play an MK like that... >.>

 

[Napilopez]

Its a kinda weird thing about Sonic, I thought I was the only one, but Sonic has the odd property of you needing to really outplay your opponents no matter their skill level, because he doesn't have any like pure ownage type of things like Falco or Meta. Its annoying sometimes, but at the same time I personally kinda like the fact that when I go against someone with actual skill, it doesn't feel so contrasting in difficulty from going against a noob spammer, at least when compared t using other characters. I usually never start playing with Sonic, and just save him for the end, since at the end of it all, he's by far my best character. Falco, Marth, DK(DK Punch anyone?) etc suffice for noobs in my matches.

 

[ROOOOY!]

We're living in a time of 'internet pros'. You've just gotta find a strategy to beat these noobs and go ahead.
I watched that match on the Falcon boards. fucking disgusting. Niko actually lost the grand finals against this **** too. This is Brawl for you :')
It's no wonder people hate 95% of Meta mains when you see **** like that actually win a tourney.

 

[aeghrur]

We're living in a time of 'internet pros'. You've just gotta find a strategy to beat these noobs and go ahead.
I watched that match on the Falcon boards. fucking disgusting. Niko actually lost the grand finals against this **** too. This is Brawl for you :')
It's no wonder people hate 95% of Meta mains when you see **** like that actually win a tourney.

Sigh, Brawl is basically
No Items, Final destination, MK only or
No Items, Final destination, Snake only... At least it will be soon...

 

[da K.I.D.]

snake is going to eventually become somewhat normal, since his play style is extremely linear. and MK's will learn to dominate him, just like everyone else

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Snake isn't too bad. Still, I think the game would be a LOT better if we banned him and MK.

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

I had a response... about picking up a DK or something. He kills quick, I find him fun yadda yadda yadda... than I realized that this is incredibly sad. I'm in the same boat as alot of you, and it's why I've picked up both Kongs.

::le sigh::

Most depressing and relevant thread on this board.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

It's funny. I actually was fooling around with DK yesterday. Someone with a solid connection should help me practice sometime.

Oh, and my guide isn't dead yet. I know I keep putting it off, but it's because I want it to be CORRECT. I'm prolly gonna scrap it, and start over from there.

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Izzy, your a ways away from me but I've found a few people out that way that I've played with a decent connection. I'd be happy to try and give you some decent practice.

I'm not on your level skill wise, but it'll let you find out if DK is what your looking for in this case, at least.

 

[memphischains]

i think your at the skill of a 4 year old with down syndrome. :D

 

[JayBee]

No, it's a fact.

Sonic has low KO power, and as a character sucks enough so that you have to outplay your opponents constantly to win, regardless of skill .


PS, unrelated note, this is disgusting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKQprvO58Q

Garbage. like this is why I have the sig I do now. thank god he lost, but that was so gay that he got away with that for soooooo long because, hey, "im ****ing metaknight". KingAce is the most disgraceful meta I have seen in a video, im sry to say that but its true. the only reason he may have lost was because he tried to do something other than spam, when he didn't spam he was pwned, which shows how meta so covers up a players skill level. i shook my head when i saw that. Really? 40 seconds of shuttle looping? wow. you douche.

omg i need to stop before i rant any furthur. *commences slow breathing*

 

[Boxob]

Play Melee.

Use Ness.

Yoyo glitch has more depth than all of Brawl.

 

[JayBee]

we need to show this match to the meta whores at thier threads who think meta isn't broken because he's light. Ha! Delusional *******s.

 

[Tenki]

Garbage. like this is why I have the sig I do now. thank god he lost, but that was so gay that he got away with that for soooooo long because, hey, "im ****ing metaknight". KingAce is the most disgraceful meta I have seen in a video, im sry to say that but its true. the only reason he may have lost was because he tried to do something other than spam, when he didn't spam he was pwned, which shows how meta so covers up a players skill level. i shook my head when i saw that. Really? 40 seconds of shuttle looping? wow. you douche.

omg i need to stop before i rant any furthur. *commences slow breathing*

The match extended to round 5.

At round 5, he plays a bit campier and less spammy and wins the game much quicker.

MK might be one of the only characters you can spam-sandbag and still win with lol.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Anyone up for some rounds nao? I'm bored.