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[meleebrawler]

Ice Cream Island has the Kirby Dance play at the end, Dedede's theme V2 has the Kirby Death play at the end and I highly doubt Cloud's victory theme would last that long judging by every other character's victory theme

More that the victory fanfare presented in the trailer would be unfitting. Obviously having a different version of it in a medley would be fine as long as it meshes well.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

More that the victory fanfare presented in the trailer would be unfitting. Obviously having a different version of it in a medley would be fine as long as it meshes well.

The Xenoblade Medley would like a word, it's awkward as **** and most Xenoblade fans absolutely hate what they did when remixing Engage the Enemy, a track that was perfect for sad moments, to make player feel sorrow.

 

[meleebrawler]

The Xenoblade Medley would like a word, it's awkward as **** and most Xenoblade fans absolutely hate what they did when remixing Engage the Enemy, a track that was perfect for sad moments, to make player feel sorrow.

It's barely remixed at all, just took the most hopeful bit of the song and sped it up a bit.

That's the problem with Xenoblade's music when it comes to remixing: most of it is too good and modern to be remixed. Mechanical Rhythm and You Will Know Our Names aren't remixed at all. Case in point: Good Egg Galaxy remix.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's barely remixed at all, just took the most hopeful bit of the song and sped it up a bit.

There's the thing though. It's been remixed, not to mention, I personally feel like that's the most tragic part of the track. Anyway, we'll see who's right, I think it's starting to get a bit silly arguing over this

 

[Drakonis]

-The one I call "bizarro Sephiroth"

It's actually called "Birth of a God". And I agree, it's a really good track.
Then again, almost every track in this game is amazing.
Actually the final boss trifecta with JENOVA Absolute, Birth of a God and One Winged Angel would be pretty rad, though again, hitting the limit of what I can expect them to put into the stage.

Not that I could complain. Unless the trailer was just a massive tease, Still More Fighting is in, and that's probably my absolute favorite battle track in FF (though Force Your Way comes really close).

 

[meleebrawler]

It's actually called "Birth of a God". And I agree, it's a really good track.
Then again, almost every track in this game is amazing.
Actually the final boss trifecta with JENOVA Absolute, Birth of a God and One Winged Angel would be pretty rad, though again, hitting the limit of what I can expect them to put into the stage.

Not that I could complain. Unless the trailer was just a massive tease, Still More Fighting is in, and that's probably my absolute favorite battle track in FF (though Force Your Way comes really close).

I'm still mad that they put Bowser Jr.'s Fiery Flotilla in his trailer but not in the game.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'm still mad that they put Bowser Jr.'s Fiery Flotilla in his trailer but not in the game.

I'm also very pissed at that.

One of the most epic SMG2 songs thrown away like that?

There better be a Bowser stage DLC with that song in it...

 

[meleebrawler]

I'm also very pissed at that.

One of the most epic SMG2 songs thrown away like that?

There better be a Bowser stage DLC with that song in it...

Instead we get Fated Battle, which isn't that good even when it isn't cut out by how short that battle was.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Instead we get Fated Battle, which isn't that good even when it isn't cut out by how short that battle was.

I actually really like Fated Battle.

It screams epicness and struggle and determination to kick a Koopa's ***...unlike the actual fight

 

[meleebrawler]

I actually really like Fated Battle.

It screams epicness and struggle and determination to kick a Koopa's ***...unlike the actual fight

Yeah, well because of that the song is ruined forever for me now.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah, well because of that the song is ruined forever for me now.

SMG1 had a better soundtrack overall though...

Which is why I'm severly dissapointed to NOT see Nemesis King Koopa in the game.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Still annoyed that they didn't put in Guile's Theme on Suzaku Castle. :v

Smooth Criminal

 

[Tri Knight]

Victory Fanfare better be Cloud's victory song (even the second part of it) or I'll be really mad.

I'm actually kind of doubting one-winged angel. Not because of the opera in it or even the length. Just because it seems very.... not Smash. Plus it'd be upsetting to hear "SEPHIE-ROTH!" with no Sephiroth around.

All this talk of music and remixes makes me impatient for the Remake's music. Can you imagine how incredible the music will sound with a modern take on all of them??? Ugh, I'm fanboying all over the place!

 

[Strong-Arm]

I cant wait personally. I really really really hope Cloud comes out next week

 

[Drakonis]

Victory Fanfare better be Cloud's victory song (even the second part of it) or I'll be really mad.

Eh. I'd be happy with the victory fanfare alone. After all, no other character got a special extended version of a victory theme, even though there are a couple of characters where they could have done it.

I'm actually kind of doubting one-winged angel. Not because of the opera in it or even the length. Just because it seems very.... not Smash. Plus it'd be upsetting to hear "SEPHIE-ROTH!" with no Sephiroth around.

I dunno. There's plenty of tracks that would seem very "not Smash" or don't feature the character it's the theme of. Hanenbow or Environmental Noises, for example for the former, or the two Golden Sun tracks for the latter.
I would fully expect it to be a shortened version, though. It's a shame, but that's what happened to a couple of long, great tracks (still a bit miffed about Id~Purpose being shortened in the WiiU version, too).

All this talk of music and remixes makes me impatient for the Remake's music. Can you imagine how incredible the music will sound with a modern take on all of them??? Ugh, I'm fanboying all over the place!

I fully agree on this part though. I hope they keep the "unreal" feel of some of the tracks.

Spoiler: Examples

 

[Tito Maas]

Victory Fanfare better be Cloud's victory song (even the second part of it) or I'll be really mad.

I'm actually kind of doubting one-winged angel. Not because of the opera in it or even the length. Just because it seems very.... not Smash. Plus it'd be upsetting to hear "SEPHIE-ROTH!" with no Sephiroth around.

All this talk of music and remixes makes me impatient for the Remake's music. Can you imagine how incredible the music will sound with a modern take on all of them??? Ugh, I'm fanboying all over the place!

Hm, well the Sonic music with lyrics like Live and Learn and Escape From the City and His World and those songs aren't really very "Smash", either. I actually turned all of those songs off because they're so jarringly out of place to me, even if I love them.

Another song that doesn't fit the area is Porky's Theme for Onett. So maybe they're a bit more lenient on "fitting" songs this time around as long as they're able to get in songs that represent the character or game.

Besides, Sephiroth's theme might actually fit in with Midgar. I really, really hope they use the Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 Remix version:

 

[Kuraudo]

The Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD version of One-Winged Angel would be PERFECT for Smash. Man alive.

... ... ...

Could you imagine if they jumped the shark and somehow put Sephiroth in the game too? Another Melee moment where Marth and Roy are put together to rep Fire Emblem. Sephiroth and Cloud to rep Final Fantasy VII.

The riots would be so intense. ...but awesome. lmao

 

[Drakonis]

Hm, well the Sonic music with lyrics like Live and Learn and Escape From the City and His World and those songs aren't really very "Smash", either. I actually turned all of those songs off because they're so jarringly out of place to me, even if I love them.

Another song that doesn't fit the area is Porky's Theme for Onett. So maybe they're a bit more lenient on "fitting" songs this time around as long as they're able to get in songs that represent the character or game.

Besides, Sephiroth's theme might actually fit in with Midgar. I really, really hope they use the Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 Remix version:

With how many times One Winged Angel has already been remixed, I wouldn't flinch a second if Smash got it's own version.

 

[Tito Maas]

With how many times One Winged Angel has already been remixed, I wouldn't flinch a second if Smash got it's own version.

You're probably right.

What does everyone think of the Dissidia remix of the battle theme? I kinda hate it.

 

[Strong-Arm]

The Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD version of One-Winged Angel would be PERFECT for Smash. Man alive.

... ... ...

Could you imagine if they jumped the shark and somehow put Sephiroth in the game too? Another Melee moment where Marth and Roy are put together to rep Fire Emblem. Sephiroth and Cloud to rep Final Fantasy VII.

The riots would be so intense. ...but awesome. lmao

What if we got Cloud and Zack? Considering Zack would be far easier to make lol, and then we got 3 or 2 other dlc alongside and Sakurai is like "Zack has many fans, so I decided to include him as a bonus alongside cloud and so that you all get nice dessert after being so patient. Thank you"

 

[JesseMcCloud]

You're probably right.

What does everyone think of the Dissidia remix of the battle theme? I kinda hate it.

Almost sounds like MIDI.
Do not like.

 

[Drakonis]

You're probably right.

What does everyone think of the Dissidia remix of the battle theme? I kinda hate it.

I'm usually not that big on electronic or house music, but I'm surprisingly onboard with this remix.
Though I am a sucker for a good melody over a nice, basey beat.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What does everyone think of the Dissidia remix of the battle theme? I kinda hate it.

I...I kinda like it. Fits well in a fighting game.

But the original is still a million times better.

 

[VPTurnip]

Bombing Mission, Aerith's Theme and Birth of a God are probably my favorite FF7 pieces, so if one more of those get in I'd be happy.

Although I'm already happy with the fanfare being in. Hearing it will be my motivation in winning with Cloud.
Unlike Link, whose victory music is kind of dull and used for every Zelda character. x_x
Villager and Olimar have nice victory themes though, so Cloud's will be the icing on the fanfare cake for me.

Alright, So who wants to help me and Strong-Arm with the first official Cloud boards guide when Cloud is released?

I can try to get framedata, if you'd like. ^_~

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I don't care how not fighting game it sounds, I want Beneath the Rotting Pizza on Midgar.

Smooth Criminal

 

[RebelXII]

Strong-Arm I'm liking the new avatar.

Bombing Mission, Aerith's Theme and Birth of a God are probably my favorite FF7 pieces, so if one more of those get in I'd be happy.

Although I'm already happy with the fanfare being in. Hearing it will be my motivation in winning with Cloud.
Unlike Link, whose victory music is kind of dull and used for every Zelda character. x_x
Villager and Olimar have nice victory themes though, so Cloud's will be the icing on the fanfare cake for me.



I can try to get framedata, if you'd like. ^_~

That could help. Thanks. Tell @BlueX to add you to the list of helpers if you are not already added.

 

[Strong-Arm]

Wow, im surprised with the amount of people liking my new avatar lol. How to impress ppl 101: change avatar to sunset shimmer.

Anyways, do you guys want me to link the helpers in the thread I made?

 

[Ffamran]

I linked this a couple pages back, but this remix of Let the Battles Begin would be awesome: https://youtu.be/AC3VTQo8RPA. Same with Jenova by the same dude: https://youtu.be/myjD4zbkmNc. His remix of Castlevania's Bloody Tears is also freaking amazing.

 

[Strong-Arm]

Even tho my heart is set out to Cloud as it stands only 3 characters come to mind that could challenge him in terms of who I would play, that being
King K Rool
Scorpion
Shovel Knight

 

[Delzethin]

So I've been making progress. Last night, I got through Cloud's story about the Nibelheim incident.

I knew Sephiroth was on the unhinged side, but damn. And I know enough from other places to already know Jenova wasn't what they believed her to be...

 

[Ffamran]

So I've been making progress. Last night, I got through Cloud's story about the Nibelheim incident.

I knew Sephiroth was on the unhinged side, but damn. And I know enough from other places to already know Jenova wasn't what they believed her to be...

Crisis Core gives us a different view on Sephiroth and the Nibelheim incident... Now, if only we could have a game from Sephiroth's point of view, but maybe that would ruin it for some people e.g. some people want to see Sparda in a Devil May Cry game, but don't want to see him "weakened" for gameplay and maybe plot reasons. It's kind of like the whole Big Boss saga where seeing and living through his life, can you really say he was a monster? Now, imagine playing strictly from Liquid or Ocelot's perspective and compare it with Solid Snake's. You'd have Big Boss's view, Liquid's where he hates Big Boss and his "destiny", Ocelot who starts angered by, but later admires Big Boss, and Snake's where it's from respect? to anger to perhaps understanding. In a way, we have that with Cloud who hates Sephiroth and Zack who admired, but later is confused and angered by Sephiroth. Now, what about Sephiroth's view? What about the viewpoint of someone who initially starts off as perhaps likable, sympathetic, and admired and ends up in madness? The difference is that Big Boss wanted a place for soldiers even in questionable and abhorrent ways - child soldiers were employed by him - while Sephiroth wanted to destroy planets just as his "mother" did.

 

[-crump-]

One of my favorite overlooked portions of Cloud's trailer is at the very end, when it shows all of the companies involved in the game, and then throws Square Enix at the end there.

I feel like it just goes to show how incredibly large a project this game is, that the most iconic video gaming companies can fuse together in one video game. It's really cool stuff.

 

[RebelXII]

So I started playing Final Fantasy VI and its great! But something stood out to me. How does this

look like this?

I am nit-picking, but I just find it strange.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So I started playing Final Fantasy VI and its great! But something stood out to me. How does this

look like this?

I am nit-picking, but I just find it strange.

Maybe they're not the same person!

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Crisis Core gives us a different view on Sephiroth and the Nibelheim incident... Now, if only we could have a game from Sephiroth's point of view, but maybe that would ruin it for some people e.g. some people want to see Sparda in a Devil May Cry game, but don't want to see him "weakened" for gameplay and maybe plot reasons. It's kind of like the whole Big Boss saga where seeing and living through his life, can you really say he was a monster? Now, imagine playing strictly from Liquid or Ocelot's perspective and compare it with Solid Snake's. You'd have Big Boss's view, Liquid's where he hates Big Boss and his "destiny", Ocelot who starts angered by, but later admires Big Boss, and Snake's where it's from respect? to anger to perhaps understanding. In a way, we have that with Cloud who hates Sephiroth and Zack who admired, but later is confused and angered by Sephiroth. Now, what about Sephiroth's view? What about the viewpoint of someone who initially starts off as perhaps likable, sympathetic, and admired and ends up in madness? The difference is that Big Boss wanted a place for soldiers even in questionable and abhorrent ways - child soldiers were employed by him - while Sephiroth wanted to destroy planets just as his "mother" did.

...the difference being that Big Boss completely skewered the interpretation of his former mentor's will (as did his comrades) up to the end, while Jenova pretty much made it clear what she was to Sephiroth thanks to his (erm) "lineage."

Spoiler

There was NOTHING subtle about what she wanted for Gaia when she was roused, after all.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Ffamran]

...the difference being that Big Boss completely skewered the interpretation of his former mentor's will (as did his comrades), while Jenova pretty much made it clear what she was to Sephiroth thanks to his (erm) lineage.

Smooth Criminal

And the irony is that Solid Snake carried out the Boss's will without ever knowing what it really was. See, if the Boss actually told Big Boss what she wanted, we wouldn't have this whole mess that happened in Metal Gear! Guess who one-upped you on being a good mom, Boss? Jenova. And she's a planet-eating monster!

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Part of the whole MEME/GENE/Legacy theme (suppose V's language/communication shtick fits in somewhere, too).

Metal Gear is crazy, but a lot of the stuff (at least thematically) makes sense after awhile.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Ffamran]

Speaking of crazy or rather, wacky, anyone played D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die? Music is really good in my opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbDmYQiQ3j8, and I watched Geek Remix play the prologue and episode 1... I think they didn't like it, but I think it's really, really weird and really bad, but so bad it's good. Considering it came from the same developers who did Deadly Premonition... Also, the main character, David Young, has beautiful eyes. Embarrass

 

[Tri Knight]

Eh. I'd be happy with the victory fanfare alone. After all, no other character got a special extended version of a victory theme, even though there are a couple of characters where they could have done it.


I dunno. There's plenty of tracks that would seem very "not Smash" or don't feature the character it's the theme of. Hanenbow or Environmental Noises, for example for the former, or the two Golden Sun tracks for the latter.
I would fully expect it to be a shortened version, though. It's a shame, but that's what happened to a couple of long, great tracks (still a bit miffed about Id~Purpose being shortened in the WiiU version, too).

I fully agree on this part though. I hope they keep the "unreal" feel of some of the tracks.

Spoiler: Examples

Music like that is why FF7 had the absolute best tracks. You could give this music to anybody who has never played FF7 and i guarantee they will grasp the feeling of what this music is all about.

 

[praline]

Victory Fanfare better be Cloud's victory song (even the second part of it) or I'll be really mad.

I'm actually kind of doubting one-winged angel. Not because of the opera in it or even the length. Just because it seems very.... not Smash. Plus it'd be upsetting to hear "SEPHIE-ROTH!" with no Sephiroth around.

All this talk of music and remixes makes me impatient for the Remake's music. Can you imagine how incredible the music will sound with a modern take on all of them??? Ugh, I'm fanboying all over the place!

Pretty sure we heard Cloud's victory jingle for Smash at the end of his video.