Krysco
Aeon Hero
Keep in mind that as my signature shows, I've only gotten to post 190 so far and I've only saved what I personally found interesting. I'll put it all in a spoiler and I'll direct quote what I've saved rather than reword it to avoid misconstruing what the original posters meant. Anything without quotes will be clarification from me.
"Rosa should not be in the top tier, she is in the 2nd highest.
Sonic is Top 5, replace Pika with him"
"I think MK is fine there, him having a powerful punish game does not over compensate for his average neutral, not as much as ZSS."
"I think Meta Knight should be higher, but jsut outside of top 5. Sonic should swap Pikachu easily because he has more results in general and vs sheik. but that is just me and it may seem like bias."
"Bowser and Lucas should probably switch places"
"Ike simply has more proven things than a large chunk of the characters above him. He's a good 9-10 spots too low. He should be right around the Pit/Peach area, with Luigi knocked down past him. "
"I honestly believe Ike should be at least above Olimar. This would put him at 23rd, which is basically what everyone has put him at that isn't a Japanese player, ~20th."
"Ness is another character with a massive MU flaw...but his strengths are so big it makes up for in, basically. His spot is okay in my book. Not a top 10, definitely a top 15 character."
"I can see Falcon drop more and more, going into mid tier once people get down their strings and improve edgeguarding. Pikachu honestly will start dropping towards ~10th, IMO. Villager probably will stay around the same."
"I'm satisfied with Megaman's placment. Its pretty perfect but I'll be honest I don't see how Pacman is worse than him. I guess Megaman has better results kinda(??) but other than that Pacman is all around alot better and shouldn't be under him."
" If I was to put a supposed trio in the C tier they made, it'd have prolly Peach Wario and Luigi in there over Falcon/Yoshi (or even both)"
"So what's the deal with Lucario being above Greninja and Ike?"
"I'm kind of iffy on Pacman, on one hand, you got his best player Abadango drop him, and on the other hand, you got new age Pacmen like Tea show the world that he's practically untouchable. I think over the course of this meta, he will rise very slowly and kind of settle around/just under high tier assuming no patches change him or his MUs."
"You know, as a person who plays a pretty good Samus, I can say that she could be about 4 to 5 characters higher than she currently is, maybe even up to 10 total spots."
"Falcon and Yoshi are not top 15. Falcon in particular gets hard countered by Sheik. The Pits should probably be in those spots. Ike probably belongs around there as well."
"Don't get me wrong, i know zard is not secretly mid tier or something. But i do think that he should at least be at the top of bottom tier."
"Falcon and Yoshi are not noticeably better than most of the characters in D. In fact, I think most of the characters in D are better than them."
"I'm hoping people will place Ganondorf somewhere higher in the future, because he's not ALL that bad."
"I find it hard to believe people put characters like Roy and Lucas, who are almost nonexistent in the meta, above her (Wii Fit Trainer) when she could almost be considered a national threat with how many appearances she makes."
"IMO,
should just meld into D. In fact, are probably better than those two."
"Meta Knight is unshakably top 5 in my opinion."
"My take on the order of the tier list:
"
"Wii Fit is laughably low."
"3: Doc below Mac
I disagree with this a lot; Both have similar weaknesses in recovery, but Dr. Mario has stellar frame data and a workable aerial game. IMO, he should be above Shulk or Link. Definitely not Bottom 10 (when you factor out Mii Fighters)"
"5: Donkey Kong a bit low
DK has done far too well at this point in tournies for me to consider him the halfway-point character on the list. Definitely think he belongs above Olimar and Greninja right now, maybe even Lucario. Same with Ike. They have results, but Olimar/Greninja/Lucario really don't. DK should be at the bottom of D, I think."
"8: WFT probably belongs a little bit higher in F
Top 32 at Genesis has had 2 place in Top 32 at EVO. Clearly a Borderline character, but she's had a better history than Falco, Mewtwo, or Roy. "
"...I'm really shocked how so many people are saying Captain Falcon isn't top 15..."
"but he (Captain Falcon) is top 15 I think."
"Zelda is higher than I expected."
She was ranked as the worst character in the first tier list so just a fun joke post.
""potentially better than robin, but not better than ike (first impression)""
In regards to Corrin and while the originally poster wasn't Nairo, it was a post about what Nairo thought of Corrin and Bayo before they came out.
"bullet arts (after attacks if you hold button) are funny/interesting but not too useful and often don't even hit"
Same as the Corrin comment
"I also think that at least Villager, Diddy and MK should have been placed above Mario."
"It's the same list that ranks Ganondorf bottom 3, even though there's evidence supporting he's low tier at worst.
The lack of results on a character doesn't equal automatic low placing, too. "
"Honestly Zelda is probably ranked too high on this list."
Different poster, same joke.
"Ganondorf has some pretty great MUs against characters who are above him, especially the likes of and for bottom tiers who he can beat, are low tiers he can soft counter, and are the middle tiers he can beat, and there's solid evidence with his massive KO prowess, ability to force some characters to counter (Roy and Mac), and the ability to Flame Choke > F-Tilt everyone above, but Roy, who can just simply be F-Tilted. might be another example of someone he soft counters; yeah, Doc has good combo follow ups, but he's also a victim of low mobility, a poor recovery and Flame Choke > F-Tilt, as well as light weight and easy to edge guard.
There are characters I can tell could go even with Ganondorf, such as and . I'm a bit iffy on , but maybe he's an even to Ganondorf as long as Ganondorf doesn't manage to find his way around him. Yeah, Ganondorf does have a lot of counters who can beat him like and as examples, but most of his counters are often 45:55 to 40:60 in the opponent's favor, maybe 35:65 in the favor of and , but those are given.
But Ganondorf having good MUs (and this is from my experience against other decent players from offline tournaments and Anther's) can mean he's better than bottom 3. He's always going to be, to me at least, a low tier, maybe a possible bottom 20, but never really bottom 3, 5, 8 over 2"
http://prntscr.com/ifel4h
Screenshot of someone's personal top tier. If it doesn't work properly, I'll add it as an attachment to this post
"The meta might change for the better when the patch comes."
Pretty sure that was the patch that gave us Bayo and Corrin that was being referred to
"He (1111 Brawler) is still pretty "ok" overall, because his normals are insanely good."
"Finally, he also says that he believes Umbra Clock Tower should be a counterpick. "
More posts referring to stuff Nairo said
"(Zelda and Jiggs are clearly too high)"
More jokes!
""Massive" is a really exaggerated way of describing Mewtwo's buffs.
He's still stuck with the same crippling issues from before. He's still bad and will most likely never win anything noteworthy with such stark errors in his overall character design."
"...Luigi should be far lower..."
http://prntscr.com/ifenv5
Another screenshot of an image.
Sonic is Top 5, replace Pika with him"
"I think MK is fine there, him having a powerful punish game does not over compensate for his average neutral, not as much as ZSS."
"I think Meta Knight should be higher, but jsut outside of top 5. Sonic should swap Pikachu easily because he has more results in general and vs sheik. but that is just me and it may seem like bias."
"Bowser and Lucas should probably switch places"
"Ike simply has more proven things than a large chunk of the characters above him. He's a good 9-10 spots too low. He should be right around the Pit/Peach area, with Luigi knocked down past him. "
"I honestly believe Ike should be at least above Olimar. This would put him at 23rd, which is basically what everyone has put him at that isn't a Japanese player, ~20th."
"Ness is another character with a massive MU flaw...but his strengths are so big it makes up for in, basically. His spot is okay in my book. Not a top 10, definitely a top 15 character."
"I can see Falcon drop more and more, going into mid tier once people get down their strings and improve edgeguarding. Pikachu honestly will start dropping towards ~10th, IMO. Villager probably will stay around the same."
"I'm satisfied with Megaman's placment. Its pretty perfect but I'll be honest I don't see how Pacman is worse than him. I guess Megaman has better results kinda(??) but other than that Pacman is all around alot better and shouldn't be under him."
" If I was to put a supposed trio in the C tier they made, it'd have prolly Peach Wario and Luigi in there over Falcon/Yoshi (or even both)"
"So what's the deal with Lucario being above Greninja and Ike?"
"I'm kind of iffy on Pacman, on one hand, you got his best player Abadango drop him, and on the other hand, you got new age Pacmen like Tea show the world that he's practically untouchable. I think over the course of this meta, he will rise very slowly and kind of settle around/just under high tier assuming no patches change him or his MUs."
"You know, as a person who plays a pretty good Samus, I can say that she could be about 4 to 5 characters higher than she currently is, maybe even up to 10 total spots."
"Falcon and Yoshi are not top 15. Falcon in particular gets hard countered by Sheik. The Pits should probably be in those spots. Ike probably belongs around there as well."
"Don't get me wrong, i know zard is not secretly mid tier or something. But i do think that he should at least be at the top of bottom tier."
"Falcon and Yoshi are not noticeably better than most of the characters in D. In fact, I think most of the characters in D are better than them."
"I'm hoping people will place Ganondorf somewhere higher in the future, because he's not ALL that bad."
"I find it hard to believe people put characters like Roy and Lucas, who are almost nonexistent in the meta, above her (Wii Fit Trainer) when she could almost be considered a national threat with how many appearances she makes."
"IMO,
should just meld into D. In fact, are probably better than those two.""Meta Knight is unshakably top 5 in my opinion."
"My take on the order of the tier list:
""Wii Fit is laughably low."
"3: Doc below Mac
I disagree with this a lot; Both have similar weaknesses in recovery, but Dr. Mario has stellar frame data and a workable aerial game. IMO, he should be above Shulk or Link. Definitely not Bottom 10 (when you factor out Mii Fighters)"
"5: Donkey Kong a bit low
DK has done far too well at this point in tournies for me to consider him the halfway-point character on the list. Definitely think he belongs above Olimar and Greninja right now, maybe even Lucario. Same with Ike. They have results, but Olimar/Greninja/Lucario really don't. DK should be at the bottom of D, I think."
"8: WFT probably belongs a little bit higher in F
Top 32 at Genesis has had 2 place in Top 32 at EVO. Clearly a Borderline character, but she's had a better history than Falco, Mewtwo, or Roy. "
"...I'm really shocked how so many people are saying Captain Falcon isn't top 15..."
"but he (Captain Falcon) is top 15 I think."
"Zelda is higher than I expected."
She was ranked as the worst character in the first tier list so just a fun joke post.
""potentially better than robin, but not better than ike (first impression)""
In regards to Corrin and while the originally poster wasn't Nairo, it was a post about what Nairo thought of Corrin and Bayo before they came out.
"bullet arts (after attacks if you hold button) are funny/interesting but not too useful and often don't even hit"
Same as the Corrin comment
"I also think that at least Villager, Diddy and MK should have been placed above Mario."
"It's the same list that ranks Ganondorf bottom 3, even though there's evidence supporting he's low tier at worst.
The lack of results on a character doesn't equal automatic low placing, too. "
"Honestly Zelda is probably ranked too high on this list."
Different poster, same joke.
"Ganondorf has some pretty great MUs against characters who are above him, especially the likes of
and for bottom tiers who he can beat, are low tiers he can soft counter, and are the middle tiers he can beat, and there's solid evidence with his massive KO prowess, ability to force some characters to counter (Roy and Mac), and the ability to Flame Choke > F-Tilt everyone above, but Roy, who can just simply be F-Tilted. might be another example of someone he soft counters; yeah, Doc has good combo follow ups, but he's also a victim of low mobility, a poor recovery and Flame Choke > F-Tilt, as well as light weight and easy to edge guard.There are characters I can tell could go even with Ganondorf, such as
and . I'm a bit iffy on , but maybe he's an even to Ganondorf as long as Ganondorf doesn't manage to find his way around him. Yeah, Ganondorf does have a lot of counters who can beat him like and as examples, but most of his counters are often 45:55 to 40:60 in the opponent's favor, maybe 35:65 in the favor of and , but those are given.But Ganondorf having good MUs (and this is from my experience against other decent players from offline tournaments and Anther's) can mean he's better than bottom 3. He's always going to be, to me at least, a low tier, maybe a possible bottom 20, but never really bottom 3, 5, 8 over 2"
http://prntscr.com/ifel4h
Screenshot of someone's personal top tier. If it doesn't work properly, I'll add it as an attachment to this post
"The meta might change for the better when the patch comes."
Pretty sure that was the patch that gave us Bayo and Corrin that was being referred to
"He (1111 Brawler) is still pretty "ok" overall, because his normals are insanely good."
"Finally, he also says that he believes Umbra Clock Tower should be a counterpick. "
More posts referring to stuff Nairo said
"(Zelda and Jiggs are clearly too high)"
More jokes!
""Massive" is a really exaggerated way of describing Mewtwo's buffs.
He's still stuck with the same crippling issues from before. He's still bad and will most likely never win anything noteworthy with such stark errors in his overall character design."
"...Luigi should be far lower..."
http://prntscr.com/ifenv5
Another screenshot of an image.
And just for the sake of convenience, here's what the first tier list looked like
Top
S:
High
A:
B:
Middle
C:
D:
E:
Low
F:
G:
Bottom
H:
I:
J:
S:
High
A:
B:
Middle
C:
D:
E:
Low
F:
G:
Bottom
H:
I:
J:
Edit: added another link to a screenshot at the end of the first spoiler
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