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Not only is the diddy MU fine, but losing to 1 character doesn't mean you're not top 5 lol
with dthrow interactions at 0 and with the guaranteed Hoohah %.
Checked and you're right, got confused since the weight changes were switched by exact values at the same time but not the raw weight themselves. Also recently did some testing on a kill confirm sheik dies earlier to, but forgot how big a factor gravity was for horizontal kill confirms so my perspective as a bit skewed I guess.Sheik isn't lighter than M2. What?
She's around the same weight as ZSS and Meta Knight with the added bonus of being a fastfaller for vertical survival. You sure you're not thinking of something else?
She may be easier to TRUE combo than M2 with some of the cast, but the weight nerfs actually made comboing her become a good deal more difficult with some of the cast. Such as
Fastfallers definitely die later to vertical knockback. Finishing touch is like the embodiment of that mechanic, ignoring weight entirely.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbmQS6vnJvg- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXBTvlVucyc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtmX8r8qG8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsNwcJEasRs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkgzbd8OPoQ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np5SBMFzVhc. With needles she forces every character in the game bar Luma-less and tree-less to the ledge for free with two presses of a button, where she then immediately ledgetraps or edgeguards then kills you. can punish you for. You see this utilized flawlessly in this set:
Aba's known for some interesting MU opinions. There was a time he felt Pit v Mewtwo was a 7:3 MU in Pit's favour (no doubt because of Earth).
Rosalina and Fox have enough results in top level play to confirm that Diddy does not lose these matchups.
Your top 3 would be Bayonetta, Mewtwo and Mario [not necessarily in order], right?
See, that's where I'm not even semi-confident anymore. Having Sonic, who solo-won Umebura SAT in such a convincing fashion and who may not have any losing matchup at all [worth pointing out that both SM and San lost to a Sonic player at TBH6 so he now has two wins against the character he had the worst record against], at a mere 8th just seems not acceptable in any way to me. Mario has two major tournament wins with two different players and so does Rosalina. That means you somehow have to determine who is better. Even if you found an order for them you'd have to somehow fit in Fox who actually has the most consistent results - and why would you place a character that's never been lower than 5th on Das Koopa's rankings as low as 8th?
Well, Marcina is debatable. People have been discussing the possibility of this matchup turning Even later (I think we had a few posts in this thread regarding that), but I doubt that it would ever somehow turn into an advantage. The very way Diddy exists just isn't gonna let them win this, at best they'll manage to survive this MU, I think.
Yeah. Again, at most, after that match, I could see why that matchup could be even, but I am sure it's never gonna be positive for us.
A 27 frame boomerang and bombs that can be caught aren't going to hold a competent Diddy back forever.
vs ; Diddy wins with a small advantage but Link has good tools to fight Diddy's neutral. Bombs eat bananas and will be planted on the ground after bouncing off shields (unlike TL's bombs). Bomb planting can be done with Zair and stops Diddy's ground rushes. Boomerang has a +1 frame advantage on shield drop. Everything eats peanuts. Projectiles stop Diddy's command grab. Link has better reach than Diddy so his Fair isn't as scary to us. Link's N/F/B/Zairs all have a frame advantage on shield drops and 12 or less frames of landing lag.
The matchup is actually unwinnable thoughMewtwo players honestly have a very toxic mind set about the Diddy match up.
You'd be surprised by how many of them think the match up is unwinnable.
But most of those sets are Abadango, and I have gone in depth multiple times already as to why he keeps losing. He could be doing so much better, but he has shown little adaptation in the match up, and I am starting to think he never will.
This is extremely good data gathering, but I don't know if percents tell the whole story. Wouldn't things like who got the kill first, how long it took to rack them to that percent, how much rage was generated (and whether the opponent was able to do anything with that rage), and the amount of time between Sheik taking you to kill percent and then actually pushing you off the stage also be important for this discussion (and how much damage she took in between)? In my mind, the real discussion has never been "Sheik is bad at killing", it's more "Sheik has to put you at high percent to finish you off, she's incredibly light, and rage is an ever present stressor even for the best Sheik"May as well put insomnia to good use.
VoiD's kill percents in available VODs for both Abadango Saga and MSM 67
vs Nairo
Battlefield:
149% after needles to BF(started at 134%)
Smashville:
123% after fsmash punish(started at 109%)
Smashville:
155% after strong nair ledgetrap(started at 147%)
127% after uair>drag down dsmash(started at 114%)
Dreamland:
128% after Nair>Bouncing Fish(started at 112%)
135% after raw Uair(started at 130%)
Duck Hunt:
184% after Bair ledgetrap(started at 177%)
vs Elegant
Smashville:
110% after Ftilt>Vanish(started at 93%)
Final Destination:
151% after Ftilt>Bouncing Fish(started at 134%)
vs Falln
Final Destination:
161% after double kick Bouncing Fish(started at 138%)
192% after extended edgeguard sequence(last hit at 185%, ledgetrap/edgeguard started at 116% until he died to a Luma dair while Falln was at at 161%. Falln spent the entire stock after 70% on the ledge)
Duck Hunt:
128% after Fair edgeguard(started at 123%)
Battlefield:
213% after a grenade(started at 198%)
114% after Bouncing Fish stagespike(started at 102%)
Dream Land:
128% after Usmash (started at 112%)
104% after tipper dtilt>Usmash (started at 83%)
vs SlowJoe
Final Destination:
91% after rising Fair>Bouncing Fish to close out a ledge trap(started at 75%)
131% after Fthrow>Uair(started at 113%)
Town and City:
65% after rising Fair strings>Bouncing Fish(started at 37%)
97% after Nair>Needles>Ftilt>Usmash(started at 63%)
vs k9sBruce
Smashville:
131% after Ftilt>Vanish(started at 114%)
Final Destination:
132% after Usmash(started at 117%)
vs k9sBruce
Smashville:
132% after Nair>Fsmash(started at 114%)
k9 then SDs around 148% so I won't count that.
Town and City:
103% after Ftilt>Usmash(started at 83%)
68% after needle edgeguard(started at 65%)
Town and City:
66% after Bair stagespike(started at 59%)
k9 then dies for going too low with no jump while VoiD hovered over him at 97%
Average percent the opponent died at: 126%
Average percent the opponent was hit at before they died: 112%
Conclusion and notes:
Stop making up flaws this character doesn't have in an effort to downplay how stupid she is. I'm honestly tired of hearing it.
- Most people probably think she sucks at killing because they only look at the percent the opponent's at, completely ignoring the fact that she's been ledgetrapping them for 30 seconds straight. When you have the best neutral and the most oppressive anti-neutral reset ledge kit in the game, you constantly get FREE damage that makes you miss your kill setup windows. It is generally the Sheik player's fault if the opponent lives past 140.
- The only characters Sheik legitimately cannot kill out of neutral in a last stock last hit situation WITHOUT needles and a minor risk are
- The characters with the best survivability when looking at how easy/hard they are to ledgetrap, combo, and edgeguard are:
- If you hold the ledge too long and the Sheik dtilts you anywhere between 70 and 130%, you will die
- Unless you have an absolutely insane OoS option, spaced Ftilt is safe on block. Walking/crawling and throwing out ftilts, jabs(which confirms into boost grab, fsmash, ftilt and tipper dtilt), and dtilts until one hits around 125 is a strategy no character besides
The "Sheik can't kill" meme needs to stop.
Aight, then you go fight Zinoto and ZeRo and show how the matchup should be played lolBut most of those sets are Abadango, and I have gone in depth multiple times already as to why he keeps losing. He could be doing so much better, but he has shown little adaptation in the match up, and I am starting to think he never will.
Just curious, but would you addRage bs not included, I think
to that list? Though it isn't really seen as much as a problem to many people 's Upsmash and most of his moves need reads in order to bag a kill unlike . if the meta gets more defensive I can see it becoming more of a problem in certain MUs, one example being the if players start incorporating more movement like
Y2Kay
has been saying. This can also apply to with needle camping, mobility and laser camping and maybe BA camping with her tilts and other attacks. will start to slowly but surely fall imo.I've heard some people saying camping more would help... and I recall ZeRo struggling against Blue a little bit when he first came back, in part due to Shadow Ball.Mewtwo players honestly have a very toxic mind set about the Diddy match up.
You'd be surprised by how many of them think the match up is unwinnable.
I mean Zero has adapted and learnt a lot more about the matchup, I haven't seen anti Diddy tech/options from many Mewtwos
I hope this kills the Hyuga is the only goodSo looks like Ri-Ma (
meme cus that really needs to die.Forum arguing / explanation only gets you so far. You have to go out and beat people for your words to truly have merit.Hey man, maybe I will ◥θ┴~◤
Confusion in neutral covers roll, dash shield, dtilt/fair(somewhat), and of course banana toss. It mainly discourages the cross-up and boxing diddy does that makes the mu seem hard. Wadi doesn't mind the MU and is notably the only one I see use this option. (Though I did see Rich using it in friendlies at Xanadu vs Diddy's)
Fludd + ledge traps discourages being overly defensive in most MUs.Basically if the meta gets more defensive
worth noting that rima is typically considered japan's third best toon link. the toon link meta there is real.So looks like Ri-Ma (
Abusing Mario's lack of frontal coverage outside of jab by spacing b-airs.
Bayonetta's numbers are too strong for me to pick anyone else as #1. In the hands of a player like Nairo dedicating solo time to her, she would easily be winning every tournament. Salem is great, don't get me wrong, but he is now and has always been a somewhat inconsistent player.
