Or people who get high enough and try to come down on you with a dair or nair.
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100 lucas tricks (25% complete!)
- Thread starter Levitas
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Any chance you could use this?
Rope Snake Edgehog
- Best used against anyone going for a ledge, if you can't stall to preserve invinciblity frames.
- Works against things like Ike's Quickdraw and any horizontal recovery.
- Can drop and instantly regrab to gain more frames, but only works 3 times until you touch solid ground again.
Rope Snake Edgehog
- Best used against anyone going for a ledge, if you can't stall to preserve invinciblity frames.
- Works against things like Ike's Quickdraw and any horizontal recovery.
- Can drop and instantly regrab to gain more frames, but only works 3 times until you touch solid ground again.
Levitas
the moon
I find that really difficult due to the fact that lucas hangs so close to the edge, the snake can be hit on the edge, and the amount of invincibility frames you gain from regrabbing are minimal.
Not really, it's basically the same thing applied from any character that can tether.
You basically regrab the ledge instantly, I've hogged Marth before with it, among others.
Levitas
the moon
Write up a description for it and I'll add it, but it's definitely worse than ZSS or Sheik by a LOT.
They can just continue to hang against directional recoveries that aren't coming in from directly below, while lucas can't do that.
They can just continue to hang against directional recoveries that aren't coming in from directly below, while lucas can't do that.
I believe what he was going for was the fact that you can easily renew your ledge invincibility frames.
prOAPC
Smash Lord
Not exactly that. But it's a common technique with Samus and Link mains. Lucas can do it too, so why not?
Anyone going directly for the ledge can still be tricked into this. Falco's phantasm and Ike's Quick Draw often have to go for the ledge. It's still useful...
What I'm talking about is also just tethering... and hanging there. The ledge to even grab, to the Ike player just makes contact with the ledge and dies.
Anyone going directly for the ledge can still be tricked into this. Falco's phantasm and Ike's Quick Draw often have to go for the ledge. It's still useful...
What I'm talking about is also just tethering... and hanging there. The ledge to even grab, to the Ike player just makes contact with the ledge and dies.
Levitas
the moon
If they have a hitbox in front of them as they use their horizontal recovery move to get to the edge, they hit lucas and grab the edge.
That said, I did already mention that lucas gets invincibility on grabbing the edge from his tether, but only a really small window of it.
That video changed my mind. It's worth adding.
That said, I did already mention that lucas gets invincibility on grabbing the edge from his tether, but only a really small window of it.
That video changed my mind. It's worth adding.
prOAPC
Smash Lord
lucas can't get "low enough", no matter how far you use the tether, the ropesnake still shrink and you'll be close to the edge
Lucas has some wierd timing with zair edgeguard, i use that tech really often with Toon Link and definitely i can say the timing is different. Of course Lucas can regrab the edge as fast as Link in that video, you just have to use the right timing, if you press Z twice, but really fast, sometimes you won't grab the edge (ropesnake appears, but doesn't grab the edge, like if it was the 4th time trying to grab the edge)
Lucas has some wierd timing with zair edgeguard, i use that tech really often with Toon Link and definitely i can say the timing is different. Of course Lucas can regrab the edge as fast as Link in that video, you just have to use the right timing, if you press Z twice, but really fast, sometimes you won't grab the edge (ropesnake appears, but doesn't grab the edge, like if it was the 4th time trying to grab the edge)
If they land right on the spot where the ledge is, you're still safe. You can sit there for about 5 seconds+, so you have time. It's not something you can pull off consistently, but I've done it a few times by just hanging there. Still fairly useful, and worth trying out in friendlies if you ever get the chance.
You can only tether 3 times before it'll just stop working entirely. But if you go up and touch solid ground, you can just instantly jump back down and use it another 3 times. Platforms and stages refresh your zair.
ChrisTheCom
Smash Cadet
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Wow, this thread exploded since yesterday. All the obvious tricks are starting to dry up. Only ones I can think of for now:
1. Purposely sourspotted bair > dair (most likely rising from a double jump) whilst offstage
- The bair provides moderate-low knockback at most percentages, so that the opponent is spaced from Lucas by a nice distance, which can quickly be recovered with good aerial mobility whilst the opponent tries to regain momentum. Unless the opponent fortress' or some other quick recovery, they will most likely be caught in the dair. Appropriate weaving has to be used to ensure any retaliation misses, if the opponent is on guard.
2. Bair wall of spikes.
- If an opponent is offstage, on a moderate percentage, this should be feared. If a Lucas full-hops from a ledge, immediately bair-ing, then maybe 5 bairs can be fitted in, (with a double jump after the first two) before Lucas comes back level with the ledge, in which case a quick tether or PKT2 (if not GnW) can be used to recover. Obviously great aerial mobility and falling rate can make spiking easier.
- Because of limited should be used situationally, as many opponents may beat it with their own attacks (MK, Kirby)
Same concept could be used with fair to push an opponent to the edge blast zone, as Lucas can follow them without fear of being unable to recover the distance, although most opponent will probably retaliate and beat the attack, or air dodge. Not sure if any of these have been mentioned yet.
1. Purposely sourspotted bair > dair (most likely rising from a double jump) whilst offstage
- The bair provides moderate-low knockback at most percentages, so that the opponent is spaced from Lucas by a nice distance, which can quickly be recovered with good aerial mobility whilst the opponent tries to regain momentum. Unless the opponent fortress' or some other quick recovery, they will most likely be caught in the dair. Appropriate weaving has to be used to ensure any retaliation misses, if the opponent is on guard.
2. Bair wall of spikes.
- If an opponent is offstage, on a moderate percentage, this should be feared. If a Lucas full-hops from a ledge, immediately bair-ing, then maybe 5 bairs can be fitted in, (with a double jump after the first two) before Lucas comes back level with the ledge, in which case a quick tether or PKT2 (if not GnW) can be used to recover. Obviously great aerial mobility and falling rate can make spiking easier.
- Because of limited should be used situationally, as many opponents may beat it with their own attacks (MK, Kirby)
Same concept could be used with fair to push an opponent to the edge blast zone, as Lucas can follow them without fear of being unable to recover the distance, although most opponent will probably retaliate and beat the attack, or air dodge. Not sure if any of these have been mentioned yet.
Levitas
the moon
5 is a little high of an estimate for what you're saying...
However neither has been added, and at the very least, knowing to follow a sourspot bair (purposeful or not) with dair has merit.
However neither has been added, and at the very least, knowing to follow a sourspot bair (purposeful or not) with dair has merit.
Whoa... Lucas has a "jab lock"?
Levitas, is this a legit trick?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWhcEmhW1gw&NR=1
Levitas, is this a legit trick?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWhcEmhW1gw&NR=1
Yoshi-Kirby
Smash Journeyman
Yeah...Lucas has a jab lock...most just call it a Dtilt Lock. Many Lucas players use it...
Levitas
the moon
number 2 on the list, straked 
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
why not include grab release stuff on wario?
its not good enough to be a strategy, by its a cool trick
its not good enough to be a strategy, by its a cool trick
Levitas
the moon
list it off and I'll add it. This is the perfect place for character/matchup specific tricks.
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
Grab release on Wario
-f-air
-u-air
-n-air
-PSIm
-f-air
-u-air
-n-air
-PSIm
Levitas
the moon
can we get a regrab?
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
no.
by that time, they can just jump away
by that time, they can just jump away
Levitas
the moon
OK, I'm adding it now.
FireKirby7
Smash Lord
I would not think this to be truly genuine without mentioning the wave dashing PK Thunder trick. You know, the one where Lucas is immediately propelled downwards/sideways after dashing off a platform such as the cones in Battlefield/Delfino Plaza/Yoshi's Island/Yoshi's Island Melee.
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
akkon
are you talking about thundersliding? running off the edge and immediatly using PKT?
its on number 6
are you talking about thundersliding? running off the edge and immediatly using PKT?
its on number 6
Neon Ness
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People are pretty eager to compare things to wavedashing, eh...?
I'm starting to think some have forgotten what it actually is.
I can't really imagine Lucas's wavedash... just... no.
We need more tricks... I'm drawing a blank.
ToxiCrow
Smash Ace
how about this one:
Utilt as a meteor smash?? it happens when the opponent is right next to you
Utilt as a meteor smash?? it happens when the opponent is right next to you
prOAPC
Smash Lord
good one
Lucas wavedash is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCDdBzRK1A
i think it happens because of the god DI
What about Pk freeze followed by PKT2 when opponent has low %? I do that sometimes and it makes great damage.
Also in high %: pk freeze + full hop + PKT2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGAzuk82uSE&feature=channel_page 0:53
Also Jab cancel (2 hits)+Dtilt+Ftilt
Also in high %: pk freeze + full hop + PKT2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGAzuk82uSE&feature=channel_page 0:53
Also Jab cancel (2 hits)+Dtilt+Ftilt
Levitas
the moon
lol, PKF usually means fire so I wouldn't abbreviate it like that, straked.
There isn't enough time to do a PKT2 at the opponent after freezing them.
I do have Thundersliding as it's own number, in case that wasn't clear on this page.
Welcome to smashboards, Ga-in ^_^
Keep it coming, guys, we're making great progress.
There isn't enough time to do a PKT2 at the opponent after freezing them.
I do have Thundersliding as it's own number, in case that wasn't clear on this page.
Welcome to smashboards, Ga-in ^_^
Keep it coming, guys, we're making great progress.
I believe that if you land a PK Freeze and your opponent lands frozen on stage / frozen falling to land on stage, you are expected to shoot for a free U-Smash. Time it right and make them go BOOM.
and Lucas wavedashing looks... like the rest of his game- straight pimp.
lil cj
Smash Lord
Already # 16