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This is missing from the OP.
Witch time only works if the character has big damage and is fresh, this is ignoring that aside from smashes, she now needs reads to kill not only that,her kill confirm in D-tilt to up-air became worse, and even if WT is the best counter is punishable, not to mention that her horizontal combos got hit too because of fair, and her damage output is much worse.
Let's not forget there are some moves that aren't single hit either, which the counter could be countered in the end.
THE NERFS R SO WORTH IT!!!!! The reign of Bayonetta has ended!!!From the 1.1.6 Bayo scripts @A_Kae provided:
- Dtilt
- Hitbox sizes 3.5 -> 2.8
- Fair
- Hit 1 damage 3.8 -> 3
- Hit 2 damage 2.8 -> 2.2
- Hit 3 KBG 82 -> 68, x1.2 frame speed multiplier added to frame 29 (presumably means 1f later autocancel/2f later FAF, but these don't always translate to ingame as expected)
- Dair landing
- KBG 140 -> 135
- Afterburner Kick
- All hitboxes: SDI multiplier 1 -> 2
- Early hit KBG: 40 -> 50
- Middle hit KBG: 30 -> 38
- Late hit KBG 100 -> 112
- Afterburner Divekick
- Damage 8 -> 6.5
- Angle 80° -> 60°
- Hitbox size 6.5 -> 4.5
- SDI multiplier 1 -> 2
- Afterburner Divekick landing
- SDI multiplier 1 -> 2
- Witch Twist
- All hitboxes: SDI multiplier 1 -> 2
- Early middle hit
- Upper hitbox KBG/WKB 100g/160w -> 97g/140w
- Upper hitbox Ypos 24 -> 21
- Both hitbox sizes 8 -> 7
- Middle middle hit
- Upper hitbox Ypos 24 -> 21
- Both hitbox sizes 8 -> 7
- Late middle hit
- Upper hitbox Ypos 24 -> 21
- Lower hitbox WKB 160 -> 135
- Both hitbox sizes 8 -> 7
- Last hit (first use)
- KBG/BKB 105g/50b -> 80g/55b
- Hitbox size 9 -> 8.5
- Y'pos 20 -> 19
- Last hit (second use)
- KBG 30 -> 50
- Hitbox size 9 -> 8.5
- Y'pos 20 -> 19
So is it still entirely possible that there could be more character changes when the patch actually drops on Wii U/3DS?
Well if the file sizes would be relatively the same 60 or so megabytes, on BOTH versions no less, then there has to be other character balance changes. I mean, the re-arranging of one character's moveset should be nearly nothing at all, and if the patch is at least 40 or so megabytes large on the 3DS version, then it's bound to be more characters.
So basically, what you are saying is, judging by how big Nintendo stated the patch size was, there has to be more than just Bayonetta changes?
It's unlikely but we won't know for sure until the patch is out. It seems a bit silly to me to create an entire new patch just to nerf one character, but Nintendo has done stranger things before.
Like adding Corrin into the game.
Hey guess what. It's called balance.
this little ****.
Yeah, but good balance keeps the fun parts of the character while toning them down.Hey guess what. It's called balance.
It's what makes the gap between the top and bottom tiers shorter and shorter every day.
Unless your
I love the tears. Cry moar.
If you view it from the non bayo mains side it's not fun to play a character that has guaranteed kills. Like people in my region say, " I'm fine losing to the player, but when a character carries someone so hard, I'm losing to the character, not the player." There's a difference between skills and pressing three buttons.
There's 57 other characters for you to play around with if this slaughter of a nerf is too much for you to handle. Alternatively you can be like most character loyalists and stick it out through this nerf and push the new Bayonetta meta.
This is not unique to smash. Other fighting games like MVC3 had Sentinel nerfed because of public outcry. Even more recent is MKX nerfing DLC characters as a result of the public outcry. This patch will destroy old Bayo, but it will force players who want to keep playing her to adapt and advance the meta for her, like many other characters who have fallen to the nerf predicament.
Clearly none of them ever played Brawl. It was just something you had to adapt to.
We all played brawl :} Vegas please.
Like i said, the patch doesn't just contain changed files. that's not how their system works. If a single fighter is changed, they must include ALL current fighter moveset files. If a single stage is changed they must include ALL current stages. even if the others haven't been touched at all.
People have said that the 3DS's size is due to it containing every other patch because of how it updates.
Before all the patches began, Sakurai said he hadn't intentions to do balance patches, unless something broken was discovered and that necessary patch would have fixed only that problem.
There is no way in hell people will whine about Bayonetta now, and I'm happy with that.The ride never ends, does it? Welcome to the official thread for version 1.1.6. This thread not only contains the patch notes, but also the discussion for it.
Because the only changes made in this patch are to Bayonetta, we do not feel it is necessary to have a separate thread for patch notes and patch discussion. The changes to Bayonetta will be catalogued here.
Previous Patch Notes:
1.1.5 - March Update
1.1.4 - February Update
1.1.3 - December Update
Character | Last (CDT) | Changes | Progress
| 90%
- Dtilt:
- Hitbox Size: 3.5 -> 2.8
- FAF: 36F -> 38F
- Fair:
- First Hit Damage: 3.8 -> 3
- Second Hit Damage: 2.8% -> 2.2%
- Third Hit:
- KBG: 82 -> 68
- Autocancel Frame: 32> -> 33>
- FAF: 36 -> 37
- Dair Landing Hit KBG: 140 -> 135
- After Burner Kick:
- Upwards Kick:
- All Hitboxes SDI Multiplier: 1 -> 2
- Early Hit KBG: 40 -> 50
- Normal Hit KBG: 30 -> 38
- Late Hit KBG: 100 -> 112
- Divekick:
- Damage: 8% -> 6.5%
- Angle: 80° -> 60°
- Hitbox Size: 6.5 -> 4.5
- SDI Multiplier: 1 -> 2
- Witch Twist:
- All Hitboxes SDI Multiplier: 1 -> 2
- Early Middle Hit:
- Upper Hitbox:
- KBG: 100 -> 97
- WKB: 160 -> 140
- Hitbox Y Position: 24 -> 21
- Both Hitbox Sizes: 8 -> 7
- Middle Middle Hit:
- Upper Hitbox Y Position: 24 -> 21
- Both Hitbox Sizes: 8 -> 7
- Late Middle Hit:
- Upper Hitbox Y Position: 24 -> 21
- Lower Hitbox WKB: 160 -> 135
- Both Hitbox Sizes: 8 -> 7
- Last Hit (First Use):
- KBG: 105 -> 80
- BKB: 50 -> 55
- Hitbox Size: 9 -> 8.5
- Hitbox Y Position: 20 -> 19
- Last Hit (Second Use):
- KBG: 30 -> 50
- Hitbox Size: 9 -> 8.5
- Hitbox Y Position: 20 -> 19
Or you know, you could just find more combo's with your main and actually get better with her. This patch shouldn't be a reason to drop your character. Actually go back in the lab and git gud.
This makes it sound like the balance teams track record is bad. I STRONGLY disagree with that notion
Sorry for making them sound worse than they are but you have to agree that they've definitely made some questionable choices in the past (nerfing Dedede's air speed for example)
