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C.J. said:
Well, what would you add/take out and why?
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First of all this canon is WAY too anglo-centristic. Look at the number of books from england and the USA in the 'democratic age' [more than 200 for england and at least 150 from the USA], compare it to the number of german books from the same era [5] and tell me this canon is based on objective criteria? Like, the canon has William Hazlitt, Matthew Arnold, Walter Pater and Samuel Butler for english literature, who are - compared to the likes of Charles Dickens and Oscar Wilde - hardly worth mentioning [and probably would indeed not be mentioned in most people's canons at all] but at the same time it laves out some of the most important writers from France [Charles Bodelaire, Arthur Rimbaud], Russia [Ivan Turgenev, Gavriyl Derashvin] and ignores almost all of germany's literature from the 18th and 19th century [Heinrich Heine, Georg Büchner, Gerhard Hauptmann, Hugo von Hoffmansthal, Rainer Maria Rilke are all not even mentioned once].

As for what's missing of individual authors I again have to complain about the misproportion between how thoroughly the canon deals with english- and american literature and how much it lacks in other countries' literatures: It mentions virtually all of Oscar Wilde's or Dicken's writings but doesn't mention Schiller's "The Hostage" or William Tell, does not mention Dostoyevskij's two most important books [Demons and Crime & Punishment] and generally seems to be pretty careless about russian literature [No mention of Pushkin's Ruslan & Ljudmilla or Evgenij Onegin, no mention of Gogol's The Overcoat, no mention of Turgenev at all].
This is what sticks out to me - grown up on german & english literature as well as a student of russian language and literature. I'm sure somebody from Spain / France ... or somebody that studies these languages would also like to mention a couple of names that were left out within this abundance of english writers. If this canon isn't the work of an englishman or american I'm going to eat my hat.

Edit: Can't believe they censor the name of Charles Dickens -.-

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Gheb_01 said:
First of all this canon is WAY too anglo-centristic. Look at the number of books from england and the USA in the 'democratic age' [more than 200 for england and at least 150 from the USA], compare it to the number of german books from the same era [5] and tell me this canon is based on objective criteria? Like, the canon has William Hazlitt, Matthew Arnold, Walter Pater and Samuel Butler for english literature, who are - compared to the likes of Charles Dickens and Oscar Wilde - hardly worth mentioning [and probably would indeed not be mentioned in most people's canons at all] but at the same time it laves out some of the most important writers from France [Charles Bodelaire, Arthur Rimbaud], Russia [Ivan Turgenev, Gavriyl Derashvin] and ignores almost all of germany's literature from the 18th and 19th century [Heinrich Heine, Georg Büchner, Gerhard Hauptmann, Hugo von Hoffmansthal, Rainer Maria Rilke are all not even mentioned once].

As for what's missing of individual authors I again have to complain about the misproportion between how thoroughly the canon deals with english- and american literature and how much it lacks in other countries' literatures: It mentions virtually all of Oscar Wilde's or Dicken's writings but doesn't mention Schiller's "The Hostage" or William Tell, does not mention Dostoyevskij's two most important books [Demons and Crime & Punishment] and generally seems to be pretty careless about russian literature [No mention of Pushkin's Ruslan & Ljudmilla or Evgenij Onegin, no mention of Gogol's The Overcoat, no mention of Turgenev at all].
This is what sticks out to me - grown up on german & english literature as well as a student of russian language and literature. I'm sure somebody from Spain / France ... or somebody that studies these languages would also like to mention a couple of names that were left out within this abundance of english writers. If this canon isn't the work of an englishman or american I'm going to eat my hat.

Edit: Can't believe they censor the name of Charles Dickens -.-

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I definitely noticed the lack of German writings, although I'll admit that I'm not that educated in the realm of Spanish and French literature so I can't mention that.

As for the lack of Russian writings, I wonder how relevant the ones you claim are missing would would be. Other that the REALLY big ones (War and Peace, The Talisman, Crime and Punishment (which is mentioned), etc) how often would you say they're actually shaped Western Culture and thought as a whole? There's no doubt that the writings are important. However, as Russia is academically considered to be part of the "east" (according to Gvosdev at least- feel free to disagree) would the "missing" writings be more relevant in shaping eastern philosophy/thought opposed to western?

Although I do agree that there are some authors that have way too many of their works on their.
 
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You beat Big Boss? Good job. KoN and Justin are both good at the Marth matchup so don't get down about that.
 
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I'll get this **** MU down eventually!

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I played a bunch of friendlies with KoN beforehand and justin afterwards, I just need to stop doing dumb stuff and play perfectly and I should be able to maybe win.
 
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vids?
I've never seen vids of you come to think of it... I think you're like the only Marth ever I haven't torn apart a video of.
 
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She actually reminds me the girl I had a crush for (have? I'm honestly not sure).
You sure a a lucky man, Raz.

idk why I'm saying this it's may be this boring, long birthday-latenight study session...

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also I find it disrespectful to post pics of your women in bras
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Kinda agree.
he said he asked and she agreed, tho.

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or being groped
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Definetly agreed.

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The truest part of the post
 
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C.J. said:
As for the lack of Russian writings, I wonder how relevant the ones you claim are missing would would be. Other that the REALLY big ones (War and Peace, The Talisman, Crime and Punishment (which is mentioned), etc) how often would you say they're actually shaped Western Culture and thought as a whole? There's no doubt that the writings are important. However, as Russia is academically considered to be part of the "east" (according to Gvosdev at least- feel free to disagree) would the "missing" writings be more relevant in shaping eastern philosophy/thought opposed to western?

Although I do agree that there are some authors that have way too many of their works on their.
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Well, either the russian writers *are* important in the context of western literature or they aren't. This canon takes neither side: It chooses to include russian writers but the selection of their works is simply inadequate. If you're including Pushkin in the canon you simply can't *not* include Evgenji Onegin as it is pretty much the biggest jewel in his crown. And if the purpose of this canon is to put focus on western literature then leaving out Ivan Turgenev is all the more questionable as he's one of the biggest sources of influence for naturalistic writers in the late 19th century and he was also a major source of inspiration for people like Thoman Mann and impressionism in general.

I mean, if they decided to not include russian writers I wouldn't have agreed with that but at least it would've been consistent that way. The way it is now, it's neither representative for anything except english and american literature, nor is it consistent with its selection of writings for any other national literature.

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Mikeneko didn't seem like he had any idea how to play the meta knight match up :\
(Only saw the last match)

And by that I mean he got outread at every point and didn't seem to have many approach, defensive nor recovery mix ups.

<3 CJ
 
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kyokoro_pamuyo said:
She actually reminds me the girl I had a crush for (have? I'm honestly not sure).
You sure a a lucky man, Raz.

idk why I'm saying this it's may be this boring, long birthday-latenight study session...


Kinda agree.
he said he asked and she agreed, tho.


Definetly agreed.


The truest part of the post
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haha xp

Mr-R said:
http://ja.twitch.tv/filip1122

MIKENEKO IN GRANDFINALS, kakera got like 17th and nietono got 9th??? wtf japan
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one thing about japan is they are not consistent AT ALL..shout out mikeneko though =)
 
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Shaya said:
Mikeneko didn't seem like he had any idea how to play the meta knight match up :\
(Only saw the last match)
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he played awful the first and last game, the other two were a lot better, he was ****** the second to last game and rain had a ridiculous comeback, probably just broken mentally after that

a lot of what I just saw made me sad : (
 
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Shaya said:
Mikeneko didn't seem like he had any idea how to play the meta knight match up :\
(Only saw the last match)

And by that I mean he got outread at every point and didn't seem to have many approach, defensive nor recovery mix ups.

<3 CJ
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You are impossible to please!
 
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2-1'd Drakes ROB.
3-0'd Croi's Wario
3-0'd Drake's Lucario/ROB in GF

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Gheb_01 said:
Well, either the russian writers *are* important in the context of western literature or they aren't. This canon takes neither side: It chooses to include russian writers but the selection of their works is simply inadequate. If you're including Pushkin in the canon you simply can't *not* include Evgenji Onegin as it is pretty much the biggest jewel in his crown. And if the purpose of this canon is to put focus on western literature then leaving out Ivan Turgenev is all the more questionable as he's one of the biggest sources of influence for naturalistic writers in the late 19th century and he was also a major source of inspiration for people like Thoman Mann and impressionism in general.

I mean, if they decided to not include russian writers I wouldn't have agreed with that but at least it would've been consistent that way. The way it is now, it's neither representative for anything except english and american literature, nor is it consistent with its selection of writings for any other national literature.

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I disagree with this idea completely. First of all, it's *supposed* to be a list a writings that influenced Western thought and philosophy. If it was just about western literature, than I don't think that that Russian writers should be on here at all (again, using Gvosdev as point of reference).
Looking at it from a way that the works influence thought and philosophy of the western world, a work could come from anywhere in the world and still influence western thought, even if it is the only instance of a work coming from that part of the world. The best example that there is, is actually the Bahgavad-Gita from India. It's a very eastern work and very far from normal western literature in every possible way. It's the justification for orthodox Hinduism which is also a very non-western school of thought. However after the Enlightenment, the age of Romanticism came around in Europe. In America it was slightly different and the people during that period in America were known as Transcendentalists. The way of thinking of the Transcendentalists can very easily be seen to have been affected by the writings of the Bahgavad-Gita (and other Indian works).

So I feel as though it's possible that the writings of the Russian writers that are on the list may have influenced western thought and philosophy while the missing ones have not. I may be wrong here; my knowledge of Russian literature is admittedly lacking and I can't be sure what does and doesn't contribute to the change of western thought.

EDIT: This is largely why I feel that having SO MANY works by the same author (like ****ens) is completely unnecessary (admittedly I haven't read everything by him so I could be missing something) and am okay with everything by Plato being there (since they each specifically focus and teach one of a few specific things).
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You are impossible to please!
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Easier than me.
 
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