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Yeah, I could see watching that he clearly know how to use Marth and understand the game. He just suffer from a bit of the same thing I have, where I will keep trying failed strategies that I feel should work. Once he gets past that, he'll get a lot better.

Ah, didn't know you were related. Yeah, no problem. I'm no pro with Marth, but I know the principles. It's just the execution that I fail at sometimes.

Not sure what you mean. Who's your sibling?

Ar f.

I dun get it?

Random/neutral: Smashville, Final Destination, Battlefield, Yoshi Story, Lylat Cruise

Counter-pick:
Luigi Mansion,
Frigate Orpheon,
Battleship Halberd,
Rainbow Cruise,
Brinstar,
Delfino,
Castle Siege,
Pirate Ship,
Jungle japes,
NorFair,
Yoshi island(pipes),
Pokemon Stadium 2,
Pokemon Stadium 1.

Neutral Stages:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Lylat Cruise
Counterpick Stages:
Delfino Plaza
Castle Siege
Frigate Orpheon
Battleship Halberd
Rainbow Cruise
Brinstar
Pokemon Stadium
Pokemon Stadium 2
Norfair
Jungle Japes

What I said [almost] works. But keep in mind that you don't bounce. Marths sometimes use this for a surprise shieldbreaker in the opponent's face.

Marth can jump left off of FD, tap right, then press shieldbreaker [within a second], and he'll SB right. I tried to go under FD with it. I was doing it wrong, of course, because you can't go under FD unless you BOUNCE the B right. I figured that out later.

For lasers, you don't really need to bounce though, so it doesn't really matter. A lot of times, it's advantageous not to bounce, or you get closer to the enemy and screw your aim too.

EDIT:
You're actually right, it doesn't turn if you wait almost a second (less) for the B reversal. But that's still a LONG time to input your B move. For retreating B reversals, method 1 works fine.

Yeah, it's generally easier for me to reverse a gyro too, probably because you can get away with "sliding" the joystick from facing away --> down--->down and towards the opponent. I made some videos on my Wii so it'd be easiest to send them to you that way. What's your FC/Wii #?

About the backair zig-zag thing... I'm pretty sure I know what you mean. I don't think it has a specific name so I just call it dive-bombing, since that's what it looks like when you keep doing one of them just above the ground =). As soon as you bair, pressing down will make you fast fall with a noticeable difference in vertical height, something you already know. I don't know of the exact video either, but I can tell you that Overswarm was in the air, used a bair, fastfalling its animation, IMMEDIATELY used a reverse-up b (say he was falling facing right, ff-ing a bair (cstick the bair so you can ff with the joystick), then pressing up and to the left to use the up-b again), and IMMEDIATELY after that buffering or doing another bair, fastfalling it again but taking him in the opposite direction. You can chain them together if you keep doing it. Fast fall a back air, up-b in the opposite direction, and repeat.

EDIT: @Shock: I don't agree that you can press the direction, stay in the air for awhile, and then press B and still turn around. You make it sound like you can full hop, tap the other way while rising, and press b when you're about to land and still turn around when you fire it. It has a definite time frame to it which looks a little bit longer than the 1/4 second. As for method number two, it has to be much less than 1/4 seconds, which is why you can't take too long for the "hadouken" and still get the bounce. It would be interesting to know the frame stuff for this.

Have you seen the Japanese Snake videos where they do this but with pulling out grenades? I've never been able to pull it off with ROB's neutral B and get the turn and the bounce together

To B-reversal a neutral B, it doesn't matter how long you wait to press B after you tap the opposite direction. You can hop right, tap left, fall 500 feet, and press B, and it will laser to the left. During your hop, the game registers the last direction you pressed (either left or right) for the direction of your neutral B.

To reverse a gyro, just do a hadouken toward the opposite direction.

EDIT: Think you might misunderstand.

Okay, the above is still correct, but I think you're talking about something slightly different. There are two ways to change direction of your B. There's the method I mentioned above with assigning the direction and then pressing B, but then there's a second method: pressing B and pressing the opposite direction within the next few frames. This is what Waffles was describing. This second way is also what's happening in my hadouken description of reversing a gyro.

Be aware that the second way can change your momentum to the opposite direction depending on when you pressed that opposite direction.

The first way is easier to do in my opinion.

So, for Lasering:

1) Tap a direction and press B anytime to reverse the direction of your neutral B. You will never bounce this way.

or

2) Press B and within a short period of time (is it 1/4 seconds?) press the opposite direction. You may bounce.

For Gyro, I'd just use the hadouken method. It's easy to not bounce if you don't want to too.

No problem. The reason you're doing side-B(s) is because you're angling the joystick towards Dedede when you're actually pressing B. All you need to do is flick the joystick towards dedede, let it reset (this is probably your problem), and press B within around 1/4 of a second. Your backwards momentum won't be affected if you just flick it the other way and then let it reset.

So to actually answer your question, no, you shouldn't be angling the joystick anywhere when you fire the laser, as in, press the b-button. Essentially, it's a b-reversal out of a short (or full) hop. You need to flick the control stick in the direction you want to fire the laser and let it go before pressing B.

It gets trickier when you want to fire a gyro instead of a laser, but you do it the same way, except that you need to press down b instead of regular b. You can also choose to jump away and fire a gyro while floating backwards OR by firing it with a little surprise bounce moving you closer to your opponent. I'm sorry if this paragraph is a little confusing as it's sort of hard to explain, but against Dedede, you probably won't want to be doing this anyway. If you're interested in this last bit, I can probably send you a video just to show what I mean if you give me your Wii #/friend code/whatever else I might possibly need.

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Lol... I think buenob criticizes you a bit too much. You have a very decent ROB.

it's ok....im back

I don't generally follow the "Rate my ROB" threads (just don't have the time), but most of the people in there do know what they're talking about, especially bluenob, Mr. E, and Shockdrake (despite his low post count)

Libertarians are conservatives, while republicans are neo-conservative, that is spending heavily (ala liberals) with archaic social programs that are borderline totalitarian.

WTF? it wont show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is in response to what you posted
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lol jk

cool finally there are vids of me, i kinda wwant to be noticed by others, i want to go to the next one you have, or ill even go pik u up and bring you here for our tourneys

yeah, i am

will do, lol i watched the one with your rob vs that one guys pit good stuff

cool, if im ever in the area ill def hit ya'll up

yo nah havent been in a whiiiiiilllee since i havent gone to mexico in so long

ive been interested to see how the mexico smash community is compared to US

like Japan and US are almost COMPLETELY different lol im curious to see if the difference is that great from Mex and US

Lo consideran SPAM, no?

Cartel Kalles!!!!

yo man on monday go to SETB 1.508 so we can talk about it
im in that room from like 10am till 7pm

i was jk kidding about the 7year old girl btw lmao

and im gonna change it back i just switched for this one person

hey my girlfriend is 7 years old


keep it on the down low

Lawl, you're welcome.

im just kidding you didnt get a warning or anything.

3 point infraction. Forum Moderator Insult.

Yeah! After you type your name in, look for the two buttons that say 'Show Threads', and 'Show Posts'. Click 'Show Posts'.

Good luck!

It's pretty expensive, from what I hear. Also, I think it's time-consuming. But if you want to go in for one, I'd support you fully.

Unless you're in the <1% or whatever it is that's actually female on this site, then there's no hope of reciprocation. You'll have to stick to loving me from afar. But at least you'll still have Selda. :D

Selda is win-tastic. :D There are few better reasons than that.

Yeah, I usually make fairly gratuitous use of the :D, but whatever. It's all good. Anyway, why am I loved? I don't recall making any epic posts recently, so I guess it's just my body of work?

I did laugh. Also, I'm bad at humor in typing. If I said it out loud, I would have conveyed my intended lack of seriousness, but I fail at that on the Internets.

Now I'm kind of scared. I don't even want to know.

you got it dude!