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Like I said, I either want everything or I want nothing. I absolutely love the inclusions of Rosalina, Little Mac, Villager, Palutena, Robin, Lucina, hell, Rosalina, Awakening Rep and Villager were all on my most-wanted list, but Ridley's on a whole new tier, he was on the most-wanted of the most-wanted list.Wow.
I don't even know what to say, I understand that you want Ridley, seriously, I did too and a part of me is still dissapointed that he didn't get in.
But every single other character is now automatically worthless because he's not in, even if you recognized them as good additions? That's just... Don't really know how to put it without feeling like a huge jerk, but it doesn't make any sense to me.
If you judge things based on what they aren't rather than what they are, you're never going to enjoy anything in this world.
Oh I do know, I already said I love Rosalina, Villager and Mario, but they're not Ridley...Calm down, I'm a huge Ridley supporter too, I would take him over any of the newcomers we got any day. However your attitude about the whole roster being terrible because Ridley didn't make it in is immature and embarrassing to a lot fellow Ridley supporters, including me. It just gives more ammo for the detractors to fire at us. Trust me, at least get your hands on the game and play all of the characters first, you never know what character you might get into.
Haven't you considered the fact that I'm not actually flaming anyone? I'm not 11 years old...you shut up, the only people who are making the Ridley fanbase look bad are the people who are accepting this roster as anything higher than a 4 out of 10. And Ridley IS "The Character".You are just making yourself look so immature. Are you sure you're not 11 years old? Just shut up now. You're making yourself, and the entirety of the Ridley fanbase, look bad. You're not helping anyone's case. I'm surprised a mod hadn't given you an warning for flaming yet. Ridley is not "The Character". No one is, or will be. Get over it.
you act like that's a new thing.I think sakurai should no but now he is getting a lot of negative feedback, even on YouTube comments
It is definitely a bigger deal than Kid Icarus, Xenoblade or Fire Emblemyou act like that's a new thing.
Also, Metroid does well enough, but it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
Which makes Ridley himself even less of a big deal. Ergo.
I share the same feelings, I only ask you be a little more subtle and calm about it.Oh I do know, I already said I love Rosalina, Villager and Mario, but they're not Ridley...
Everything gets negative feedback on youtube comments.I think sakurai should no but now he is getting a lot of negative feedback, even on YouTube comments
Fire Emblem has a lot more sequels, reached a LOT of success with its new release, and its overall future isn't currently in doubt. Xenoblade is a relatively new franchise and has one representative.It is definitely a bigger deal than Kid Icarus, Xenoblade or Fire Emblem
Being subtle and calm doesn't cut it here, detractors are going back and forth saying 'the game's still good, you've got plenty of other characters'...like I said, I either get 100% of what I want, or I don't want it at all. There's no grey areas with a Smash Roster, there's no 8/10 or 9/10, there's 10/10 or NotRidley/10. And the negative feedback should be overwhelming, Sakurai should learn that his actions, or the lack of them, have consequences. Why the hell should I be happy about 4 out of my 5 most-wanted newcomers were confirmed when the most important one didn't make it, it's like being an Olympic Athlete, getting a bunch of Bronze and Silver medals but never getting the gold, and then expecting that Athlete to actually be happy.I share the same feelings, I only ask you be a little more subtle and calm about it.
Everything gets negative feedback on youtube comments.
Ridley's the biggest deal of deals.you act like that's a new thing.
Also, Metroid does well enough, but it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
Which makes Ridley himself even less of a big deal. Ergo.
So... it's "my dream roster or bust" and Sakurai should be punished for not adding Ridley?Being subtle and calm doesn't cut it here, detractors are going back and forth saying 'the game's still good, you've got plenty of other characters'...like I said, I either get 100% of what I want, or I don't want it at all. There's no grey areas with a Smash Roster, there's no 8/10 or 9/10, there's 10/10 or NotRidley/10. And the negative feedback should be overwhelming, Sakurai should learn that his actions, or the lack of them, have consequences.
Lol but most people probably don't know about the game coming out a day early unless they are on smash boards that's why I said it but even though it does well metroid deserves another rep especially over kid larcus, this game is for all stars not promotionyou act like that's a new thing.
Also, Metroid does well enough, but it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
Which makes Ridley himself even less of a big deal. Ergo.
Okay, I understand. Looking at it the conversion now, it's hard to go back to being subtle and calm now.(Especially how people are choosing to respond to you.)It's also understandable to be mad, especially because sakurai seems to have known about his popularity for years, but you already know all of this info.Being subtle and calm doesn't cut it here, detractors are going back and forth saying 'the game's still good, you've got plenty of other characters'...like I said, I either get 100% of what I want, or I don't want it at all. There's no grey areas with a Smash Roster, there's no 8/10 or 9/10, there's 10/10 or NotRidley/10. And the negative feedback should be overwhelming, Sakurai should learn that his actions, or the lack of them, have consequences.
*Shrugs shoulders* His opinion. I may not agree with the punishing sakurai part, that's a little too harsh, but I see where he's coming from. He wants what he wants, not much we could do about it.So... it's "my dream roster or bust" and Sakurai should be punished for not adding Ridley?
Wow. I didn't know such pettiness existed over a video game.
As I explained, why would I settle for a part of my dream roster, if I'm getting my dream roster, I want my whole dream roster. And no pettiness, absolute JUSTICE, he won't be even be able to take a single glance at the Internet without seeing 1000+ comments that'll make him regret the choices he thinks were good, but really weren't. He should know that it doesn't matter how hard he works, his efforts will be worthless as long as he doesn't add Ridley.So... it's "my dream roster or bust" and Sakurai should be punished for not adding Ridley?
Wow. I didn't know such pettiness existed over a video game.
Uh, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are objectively terrible choices that undermine whatever good points the roster might have, not to mention the lack of the most-requested fan favorites by a long shot, towering over the likes of Shulk, Little Mac and Palutena's request-number.I like the roster I give it a 8/10, I feel people are a little bias about the roster just because your dream roster didn't come true does not mean the roster is bad.
Dude, Hate mail is not going to help your case ANY. All it will do is make you look more immature. Layton didn't get in but do you see me sending Sakurai hate mail?There's gotta be some way of knocking some sense into Sakurai, even if it's not the most dignified way (Hatemail).
I think the only flavor of the month Newcomer would have to be Greninja, all of the others have really earned their place, or well, they would deserve their place if they were alongside Ridley. I do agree that Dr. Mario and Dark Pit being characters while Alph, an actually-different characters gets the costume treatment is absolutely ridiculous and stupid.Definitely agree with those who say the roster feels choppy/messy/etc. You've got characters who should be costumes getting their own slots, characters that should get their own slots as costumes, a bunch of questionable clone choices and veterans of questionable priority (Falco over Wolf, Jigglypuff and solo Charizard over Mewtwo), characters who are so obviously "retro" it hurts, characters who are so obviously flavor of the month that you know they'll be axed in the next game anyway, etc. The former two points especially, coupled with the unnecessary layout of the character select screen, make the game seem almost unprofessional, in a way. That's the best way I can describe it. It's like looking at a fan-made costume pack on Brawl. You've got completely different characters filling in for other characters' color swaps, and then you've got what are essentially other characters' color swaps with their own character select icons. If someone had showed me the character select screen and the alternate colors, having no prior knowledge of the game, I would think they were showing me their personal modded build.
I will say that because it retains most essentials and adds a few much-needed inclusions (Little Mac, Mega Man, etc), that Smash 4 does have the best roster. As a personal opinion, though, it has the worst newcomers overall.
After missing an amazing opportunity with Ridley, I won't be surprised if Sakurai never considers Layton for Smash, he seems to hate smart, well-requested, memorable characters, or who knows, maybe he'll add Layton because he has a thing for characters that changes clothes constantly, I bet we would have Layton and hatless Layton as different characters, as Sakurai seems to think different clothes are worthy of another slot.Dude, Hate mail is not going to help your case ANY. All it will do is make you look more immature. Layton didn't get in but do you see me sending Sakurai hate mail?
Also, I give this roster a 10/10. I'm one of those people that loves everything.
This is some rather flawed logic.As I explained, why would I settle for a part of my dream roster, if I'm getting my dream roster, I want my whole dream roster. And no pettiness, absolute JUSTICE, he won't be even be able to take a single glance at the Internet without seeing 1000+ comments that'll make him regret the choices he thinks were good, but really weren't. He should know that it doesn't matter how hard he works, his efforts will be worthless as long as he doesn't add Ridley.
There's gotta be some way of knocking some sense into Sakurai, even if it's not the most dignified way (Hatemail).
Uh, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are objectively terrible choices that undermine whatever good points the roster might have, not to mention the lack of the most-requested fan favorites by a long shot, towering over the likes of Shulk, Little Mac and Palutena's request-number.
I'm sorry I didn't understand that at all. Changes clothes constantly? He wears the same coat and hat every game. I don't know where your argument is going anymoreor who knows, maybe he'll add Layton because he has a thing for characters that changes clothes constantly, I bet we would have Layton and hatless Layton as different characters, as Sakurai seems to think different clothes are worthy of another slot.
I understand that you'er mad, Ridley was decomfirmed earlier you guy just keep hyping yourself up sakurai show so many time that he was a stage boss but you guys didn't believe it so guys are mad over you own hype, stop crying over a character that you drum up in your own mind to be playable. Smash is not a popularity contest get over it.As I explained, why would I settle for a part of my dream roster, if I'm getting my dream roster, I want my whole dream roster. And no pettiness, absolute JUSTICE, he won't be even be able to take a single glance at the Internet without seeing 1000+ comments that'll make him regret the choices he thinks were good, but really weren't. He should know that it doesn't matter how hard he works, his efforts will be worthless as long as he doesn't add Ridley.
There's gotta be some way of knocking some sense into Sakurai, even if it's not the most dignified way (Hatemail).
Uh, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are objectively terrible choices that undermine whatever good points the roster might have, not to mention the lack of the most-requested fan favorites by a long shot, towering over the likes of Shulk, Little Mac and Palutena's request-number.
I mean, does anyone really think this is fair? Does anyone really think that leading on a fanbase for one whole year, constantly teasing them and keeping everything ambiguous, and then crushing their dreams with a flick of the wrist...does anyone think that's fair? Yeah, Ridley didn't get into the game, but he might've as well deconfirmed Ridley at the start, and don't come at me with your 'He was deconfirmed earlier' bull**** because those were all ambiguous, and Sakurai knew what it meant to keep Ridley ambiguous, he knew what it meant to lead us on and tease us, he toyed with our expectations and absolutely destroyed any excitement Ridley fans had for the roster. I really don't think that's fair, he knew how we would feel, he knew what he would cause by being ambiguous, and yet he still chose to do it without caring about the fanbase's feelings.
Why should I try to be friendly towards a man that has done nothing but bad things to a franchise I love with this roster? And not to undermine your characters wants, but none of those characters are as requested, relevant and overall deserving as Ridley. And I couldn't care less about the smaller fanbases of these characters, the polls should come first, then he can listen to minorities.This is some rather flawed logic.
So, the idea here is that, because your ideal roster was wrong, you're mad at Sakurai. It doesn't matter if there's characters others have been hoping for, wishing for, even though they know they likely have no chance compared to the big leagues... (Duck Hunt, Lucina, Dr. Mario) and have been ridiculed for their inclusion? But, of course, no Ridley, K. Rool or Mewtwo means that the roster sucks.
I can understand the hate for the 3 clones, even though they've got their own fanbases. However, you're acting spoiled. You're acting like a child and declaring the game is the worst solely because a character isn't in. Do you see me raging over the fact that the majority of my favorite characters (Geno, Masked Man, Waddle Dee, Sukapon, Toad) aren't in? That my Brawl co-mains Snake and Lucas are gone?
Finally, don't you think it's a bit immature to be spamming a game dev in Japan about how stupid and wrong he is over ONE FREAKING character? I'm reminded of all those stories circling around Lyn in Brawl. Don't go and tell me I'm no fan, I'm a huge Ridley fan. An even bigger K. Rool fan. However, when it comes down to it, you have to look at your life and realize it's come to a point where you're lashing out at a man on the other side of the world because he didn't include a purple space dragon in a video game. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but seriously. It's a freaking game. Accept it. You don't have to play it, but cyberbullying a 43-year-old man won't get you your way. If you took, I don't know, a more friendly and non-psychotic approach...
I was primarily making fun (Although fun's not the right word here, more like intense, blazing hatred) of Sakurai's apparent obsession with grabbing an outfit a character has wore in like 5% of their appearances and making it a new character, that's why under Sakurai's command, we could have Layton, Young Layton, College Layton, they have different clothes, so they must be different characters, right!?I'm sorry I didn't understand that at all. Changes clothes constantly? He wears the same coat and hat every game. I don't know where your argument is going anymore
also I wont be shocked if he wasn't added either but the developer did tell sakurai during an interview how it would be interesting to see how Layton is in Smash.... thats more proof then Ridley at least but off that topic.
We just didn't want to believe a game developer could be really thick and stubborn enough to outright IGNORE such a huge part of the fanbase, Sakurai showed many times that Ridley was on the game somehow but he never gave a confirmation of anything, and that's part of the reason we're angry, he should've just deconfirmed Ridley, but he didn't, he kept it going. Save your horrible detractor speeches for Smash5 speculation, please.I understand that you'er mad, Ridley was decomfirmed earlier you guy just keep hyping yourself up sakurai show so many time that he was a stage boss but you guys didn't believe it so guys are mad over you own hype, stop crying over a character that you drum up in your own mind to be playable. Smash is not a popularity contest get over it.
Dr. Mario.This game's supposed to celebrate the biggest Nintendo names, and Sakurai's basically telling me and the rest of the world that he considers Dr. Mario, a crappy labcoat version of Mario from a spinoff barely anyone played and remembers, a bigger shot than the main villain of the Metroid series, how can I NOT BE ANGRY ABOUT THAT!?
Mother Brain?a bigger shot than the main villain of the Metroid series
You said you wanted "all or nothing" right? Have it your way, then. Don't buy Sm4sh, don't play Sm4sh, don't even talk about Sm4sh. Leave it in the dust and move on with your life, the community as a whole will be better off without your negativity.Why should I try to be friendly towards a man that has done nothing but bad things to a franchise I love with this roster? And not to undermine your characters wants, but none of those characters are as requested, relevant and overall deserving as Ridley. And I couldn't care less about the smaller fanbases of these characters, the polls should come first, then he can listen to minorities.
So I can't be angry at Sakurai at all!? I have to love everything he did and I have to think not adding Ridley was the right choice because it's a game? I think caring so little would harm me as a Smash Bros. fan. This game's supposed to celebrate the biggest Nintendo names, and Sakurai's basically telling me and the rest of the world that he considers Dr. Mario, a crappy labcoat version of Mario from a spinoff barely anyone played and remembers, a bigger shot than the main villain of the Metroid series, how can I NOT BE ANGRY ABOUT THAT!?
Also, I guess that since Smash sparks up childlike wonder usually, it can also spark up childlike rage under extreme situations like this.
I was primarily making fun (Although fun's not the right word here, more like intense, blazing hatred) of Sakurai's apparent obsession with grabbing an outfit a character has wore in like 5% of their appearances and making it a new character, that's why under Sakurai's command, we could have Layton, Young Layton, College Layton, they have different clothes, so they must be different characters, right!?
We just didn't want to believe a game developer could be really thick and stubborn enough to outright IGNORE such a huge part of the fanbase, Sakurai showed many times that Ridley was on the game somehow but he never gave a confirmation of anything, and that's part of the reason we're angry, he should've just deconfirmed Ridley, but he didn't, he kept it going. Save your horrible detractor speeches for Smash5 speculation, please.
Pretty much this. It was a great start with a bit of a "meh" finish. A great roster overall, it's just that the leak absolutely killed hype whether we knew it or not.Answer: Unabashedly yes. This is the single best roster in Smash, and you all know it. If you were to come to me for the first time with this roster, I would **** all over. Sonic, Megaman, Mario, Pacman, the rest is history.
The issue I see, and why a lot of people think its a disappointent, isn't so much the roster as a whole, but rather how comparatively unhype the last revealed characters were. We went an incredible year, reveals after reveals, so many amazing trailers, such as the Megaman, Little Mac, and Greninja, etc reveals, then the leak happened, and people were frowning upon some of the decisions on the roster. We had veterans who were either expected to come back (Wario, Ness, etc) to very disappointing returns (Ganon's moveset crisis, Rob, etc). But what did rub salt in the wound was the inclusion of Dark Pit and the return of Dr Mario, who are easily the most irrelevant inclusions in the roster, especially Dark Pit. Yes, clones don't take up much development time, as they are easy inclusions, but I say forget adding pointless characters to fill the roster, variety the spice of life.
That said, great roster, underwhelming final stretch.
Dr. Mario's a crappy spin off that barely anyone played or remembers, rather than having an actual spin-off version of Mario that people care about (Paper Mario) we get this crapload of medical roster disgrace.Dr. Mario.
A crappy spinoff that barely anyone played or remembered.
You are saying Dr. Mario is a crappy spin off that barely anyone played or remembers.
Dr. Mario.
Also.
Mother Brain?
Quit crying? I'm stating facts that make me furious, Ridley should've been on this game, that's a fact, and the fact that he's not on this game IS A COMPLETE DISGRACE TO BOTH THE SMASH SERIES AND THE METROID SERIES. I will be with this community all the way through until Smash5, when I can speculate and Sakurai will hopefully have gotten some sense knocked into him to get over his own ego and add the most-requested characters.You said you wanted "all or nothing" right? Have it your way, then. Don't buy Sm4sh, don't play Sm4sh, don't even talk about Sm4sh. Leave it in the dust and move on with your life, the community as a whole will be better off without your negativity.
Or just quit crying and play the game (which you'll inevitably do anyway). No one said you had to love Sakurai or his choices.
Ah yes, the polls. Because EVERYONE knows Skull Kid got into Brawl. If not for the polls, we would've never gotten such choices as R.O.B., Greninja, Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt Dog, Ness, and, of course, the most requested characters for Melee, the Fire Emblem boys.Why should I try to be friendly towards a man that has done nothing but bad things to a franchise I love with this roster? And not to undermine your characters wants, but none of those characters are as requested, relevant and overall deserving as Ridley. And I couldn't care less about the smaller fanbases of these characters, the polls should come first, then he can listen to minorities.
So I can't be angry at Sakurai at all!? I have to love everything he did and I have to think not adding Ridley was the right choice because it's a game? I think caring so little would harm me as a Smash Bros. fan. This game's supposed to celebrate the biggest Nintendo names, and Sakurai's basically telling me and the rest of the world that he considers Dr. Mario, a crappy labcoat version of Mario from a spinoff barely anyone played and remembers, a bigger shot than the main villain of the Metroid series, how can I NOT BE ANGRY ABOUT THAT!?
Also, I guess that since Smash sparks up childlike wonder usually, it can also spark up childlike rage under extreme situations like this.
he's by far the most recurring villain, but he's not the main villain. He's answered to multiple characters over his tenure. Dark Samus and Mother Brain have both commanded him.Also, does...killed Samus' parents, made Samus who she is, appears on every Metroid game except for 2 and Echoes...and overall being Samus' nemesis ring a bell?
This exactly. We're all just messed up in the brain right now because of the lackluster ending. If you first told me that Megaman and Pacman were newcomers in this Smash, I'd tell you "No way! That's crazy!". I kind of wish that I could go back to being a kid again, so I wouldn't look up everything about Smash and be genuinely hyped and surprised at all of the newcomers.That said, great roster, underwhelming final stretch.
Still you knew there was a chance that he was not going to be playable you guys took that chance and lost, you guys jump the gun. And you calling me a detractor for believing in what I saw, get over yourself you act like everyone wanted Ridley in smash he was only popular in the west and not everyone in the west wanted him.Why should I try to be friendly towards a man that has done nothing but bad things to a franchise I love with this roster? And not to undermine your characters wants, but none of those characters are as requested, relevant and overall deserving as Ridley. And I couldn't care less about the smaller fanbases of these characters, the polls should come first, then he can listen to minorities.
So I can't be angry at Sakurai at all!? I have to love everything he did and I have to think not adding Ridley was the right choice because it's a game? I think caring so little would harm me as a Smash Bros. fan. This game's supposed to celebrate the biggest Nintendo names, and Sakurai's basically telling me and the rest of the world that he considers Dr. Mario, a crappy labcoat version of Mario from a spinoff barely anyone played and remembers, a bigger shot than the main villain of the Metroid series, how can I NOT BE ANGRY ABOUT THAT!?
Also, I guess that since Smash sparks up childlike wonder usually, it can also spark up childlike rage under extreme situations like this.
I was primarily making fun (Although fun's not the right word here, more like intense, blazing hatred) of Sakurai's apparent obsession with grabbing an outfit a character has wore in like 5% of their appearances and making it a new character, that's why under Sakurai's command, we could have Layton, Young Layton, College Layton, they have different clothes, so they must be different characters, right!?
We just didn't want to believe a game developer could be really thick and stubborn enough to outright IGNORE such a huge part of the fanbase, Sakurai showed many times that Ridley was on the game somehow but he never gave a confirmation of anything, and that's part of the reason we're angry, he should've just deconfirmed Ridley, but he didn't, he kept it going. Save your horrible detractor speeches for Smash5 speculation, please.
Yep, not like popular characters ever got into smash. *Cough*Pacman, Palutena, Little mac, Megaman, Bowser jr., sonic, and Duck hunt dog*Cough*Ah yes, the polls. Because EVERYONE knows Skull Kid got into Brawl. If not for the polls, we would've never gotten such choices as R.O.B., Greninja, Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt Dog, Ness, and, of course, the most requested characters for Melee, the Fire Emblem boys.
Little mac also was only popular in the west. Your point?get over yourself you act like everyone wanted Ridley in smash he was only popular in the west and not everyone in the west wanted him.