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ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

Circus

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I'm sorry Circus but I'm just telling you my thought process. I feel like you're expecting me to have all the answers when I don't. I wish we could back to when this game was about actual scumhunting and not outguessing the mod. It's seriously not fun at all.
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Soup, I feel like you're just dodging me. I am not asking you for all the answers. I've explicitly stated that I'm not demanding you prove anything. That you keep saying things like "I'm just telling you my thought process," is hilarious because it's precisely what you aren't doing. You're not explaining what happened on D3 that made you think Rockin was town, despite being jailed by Mac on a Night with a no kill and then refusing to help his faction by claiming and giving reads (aka classic scum play). There's a reason most of us thought he was scum. There must be a reason that you did not. "Because redirector" is not a reason. How does the presence of a redirector complete the puzzle? How does that explain the contradiction between Mac's and Gorf's claimed results? I'm not asking you for facts; I'm asking you what you think is happening and why. I'm missing the why from you completely.

If you don't at least try to answer me when it comes to this, that's your choice, but I'm forced to keep my suspicion of you then. I'm not just going to drop my read on you because you don't want to actually explain your reads.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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[sigh]

Soup, I feel like you're just dodging me. I am not asking you for all the answers. I've explicitly stated that I'm not demanding you prove anything. That you keep saying things like "I'm just telling you my thought process," is hilarious because it's precisely what you aren't doing. You're not explaining what happened on D3 that made you think Rockin was town, despite being jailed by Mac on a Night with a no kill and then refusing to help his faction by claiming and giving reads (aka classic scum play). There's a reason most of us thought he was scum. There must be a reason that you did not. "Because redirector" is not a reason. How does the presence of a redirector complete the puzzle? How does that explain the contradiction between Mac's and Gorf's claimed results? I'm not asking you for facts; I'm asking you what you think is happening and why. I'm missing the why from you completely.

If you don't at least try to answer me when it comes to this, that's your choice, but I'm forced to keep my suspicion of you then. I'm not just going to drop my read on you because you don't want to actually explain your reads.
I'm sorry, it's not intentional dodging, I promise. I have to put the pieces together in my head and feel like my argument holds weight until I present it. It feels like an excuse but that's what I'm doing, and honestly I cannot find the motivation to really look into all that, and my reads aren't solidified which is why I'm just going off the assumptions I have. I know, you want me to explain it more. I've given you all I can do ~right now~ unless you really, really, wanted to look into the situation again. And even then, I feel like the PR game we're playing right now is blocking me from a lot because in my head I have to think 'well what he did MAKES sense to me.

It's why I'm town-reading Mac right now, because his actions LOOK legitimate to me right now. I've been town-reading that slot nearly all game anyways so I don't feel why I should stop now. The fact I read Macman as town makes me think that his role was tampered with, because I don't think he would do what he did as scum. What about the fact J got roleblocked n1 and we rolled with it? It nearly proves his role unless he's some sort of scum roleblocker, but then again, why are the no kills happening? You could argue and say he could be opting out of killing but that is not a smart situation for one he could be in.

Let's move onto Rake, who I've solidly believed that his claim, while absolutely stupid, was so braindead town that I can't seem scum making it. Can you?

Then J. He's claimed a role that's nearly been confirmed at this point and we were gambitting with him to solidify a read on him. Not really much to question there, unless some weird ****ing mafia inventor exists.

Now you. I don't have much a read on you, but you're not priority. You could be scum, but you're not more scum, to me, than WATT right now. This is why I'm so focused on him. I kind of feel like a hypocrite because I've claimed Ran to have tunnel vision but I suppose I'm salty he's reading me for ridiculous and absolutely wrong reasons, it just drives me up a wall.

I suppose Gorf is an option and I haven't read into what Ashemu was saying regarding his Voyeur, and while I don't believe WATT for a second, do you think they're coordinating the way they are as scum together? I know it's been thrown out there but I don't know, maybe I am being a bit stubborn headed.

Who's left out of that? Ashemu and WATT? This is mostly PoE at this point if I think about it and yes I could be looking into this more but I keep asking the questions I am because I feel like a lot of people are not on board with me, and yes, I could be doing a better job but I'm trying. I'm not gonna lie face down and let my slot get lynched because I'm being lazy and unmotivated. I'll have to deal with it.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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gorf shouldn't have seen a kill stopped by a roleblock
gorf DIDN'T see a kill stopped by a protect (otherwise he would've seen the protect)
odds are there wasn't a kill stopped by a roleblock in the first place
ergo his results are bull****.
why did i glance by this

what about the redirector? or perhaps, a redirector being in play in here? would it be possible then?
 

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I'm really sorry to do this, but I have to revert to being an asshole here. I'm trying to be a nicer person over the internet, but I really have to put that on pause for the moment.

Ignore the ****ing PR ****. It's shown to be an unreliable method. When a method is shown to be un ****ing reliable, you don't just continue to use it.

Ashemu is ****ing scum. Put away your ****ing biases of him being town and look at twilight objectively, without considering any PR bull ****. THINK ABOUT WHY ASHEMU WOULD POST AN ENDGAME SHOUT OUTS BEFORE THE GAME ENDS. What reason would he have to do that? If he truly had town-ignorance, he would have waited until the game you know actually ended???

It's so clear that he was making a scum move. The only reason he had for doing that was to look like he was ignorant townie. "o jee the game is over i clearly think so look at this end game post i made!"

"o btw zen are you town just gambiting to see our reactions
?"
 

Ashemu

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no, because again, the voyeur shouldn't see a blocked kill attempt, and even if it did, there's nobody responsible for the roleblock

gorf would have need to have seen a NK on a bulletproof for those results to work
 

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Like seriously you guys aren't even playing mafia right now. I don't even want to read today's posts full of bull ****.
 

Ashemu

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yes zen i would have done that as town because im an impulsive person and my playstyle in this game/account is even more spammy post-before-thinking than i usually am

furthermore circus can attest that i literally had just posted "man it's weird, if zen was rockin's buddy he would've given up by now" before you forfeited

i also wouldnt point out the gambit if i wanted town credit because that negates the entire point
 

Ashemu

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Like seriously you guys aren't even playing mafia right now. I don't even want to read today's posts full of bull ****.
youre ignoring everything ive done for town this game to push a forced interpretation of posts i made when i thought the game might be over. youre not playing mafia more than anybody else
 

Ashemu

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can NL just stop posting unless both heads have proof-read the post and decided they agree with eachother
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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I'm really sorry to do this, but I have to revert to being an ******* here. I'm trying to be a nicer person over the internet, but I really have to put that on pause for the moment.

Ignore the ****ing PR ****. It's shown to be an unreliable method. When a method is shown to be un ****ing reliable, you don't just continue to use it.

Ashemu is ****ing scum. Put away your ****ing biases of him being town and look at twilight objectively, without considering any PR bull ****. THINK ABOUT WHY ASHEMU WOULD POST AN ENDGAME SHOUT OUTS BEFORE THE GAME ENDS. What reason would he have to do that? If he truly had town-ignorance, he would have waited until the game you know actually ended???

It's so clear that he was making a scum move. The only reason he had for doing that was to look like he was ignorant townie. "o jee the game is over i clearly think so look at this end game post i made!"

"o btw zen are you town just gambiting to see our reactions
?"
i feel more content with her gorf logic over her being scum if i think about it

let's actually talk and stop posting
 

Ashemu

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i also dont understand why watt/gorf buddies aren't possible. everybody who's taken issue with it has just been all "would they REALLY do that???" but doesn't explain why it's not beneficial for them to do that
 

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Pointing out the gambit got rid of any other reactions we could have gotten from it -_-

I'm not ignoring that you've played a good game. When town's going in circles, clearly something is amis and biases held throughout game need to be shed.

See: Ranmaru in Scott Pilgrim who everyone mad town read throughout the game. The only reason he was lynched (with reluctance) in the end was because of PoE. He didn't make any slips at all through out the game, but made plenty of town tells.

See: Badwolf in Newbie 18. He went throughout the came playing as a perfect brownie townie. The only reason why we caught him was because I fake claimed cop which fumbled him up.
 

Ashemu

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so basically your argument is that i look town and people keep being wrong, so im scum. i can tell im not going to convince you

i will literally selfvote today if zen promises to lynch gorf and watt consecutively should i flip town. tired of playing this game
 

Ashemu

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actually thatd be stupid since nobody else wants to lynch me. j should just give me a suicide bomber
 

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No that's not my argument. My argument is in #2402. That was an argument to your "you're ignoring my towniness" defense.
 

Ashemu

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i still think you are coming to the conclusion im scum, ignoring any evidence to the contrary, and ignoring anybody else who might be scum so that you can think i am scum.
 

#HBC | Mac

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i also dont understand why watt/gorf buddies aren't possible. everybody who's taken issue with it has just been all "would they REALLY do that???" but doesn't explain why it's not beneficial for them to do that
i've def been considering it a possibility
 

#HBC | Mac

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zen i think your ashemu twilight argument crap is just straight up dumb

idk how else to put it
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Oh and that too.

"Guys you aren't even playing mafia anymore. Ash is scum because of a completely circumstantial situation that could have realistically happened, but because I deem it unlikely it's more than enough proof against him."

Believe it or not people give shout outs when they are under the impression that they won.

You are literally begging to be shut down by making that your argument bro.
 

Circus

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Mac, did you ever tell us your action from last Night?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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since is probably not going to respond to me until he feels like it and i wanted to wait until he gave his two cents on the situation so

vote: WATT
 

#HBC | Mac

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Gah, what are you doing? Ash neighbored me N1, therefor we already know he's at least not the one who shot Gheb. It's really starting to look like you're using your ability badly intentionally.

Why is everyone scum this game?
to be fair, scumAsh could have two powers / actions
 

#HBC | Gorf

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My explanation is that my ability to disregard the possibility of watt being scum since D2 has done nothing but grown with all of the info available, and having an inno on all of myself, NL and Ash is good enough to warrant my desire to off him. If he's town, the lingering question goes away and we have his flip to give us solid answers and, if applicable, gives us his sanity. If he's scum... Woohoo.
 

#HBC | Mac

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pretty sure WATT is at l-2 btw.

also WATT is sucking at doing the whole not be lurky as **** thing
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Not very common to do that? If Ruy was doing the killing I'm sure it'd be cool for him to be able to watch player A and kill player B in the same Night, as well as be seen doin so.
 
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