ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Circus]

Rake needs to get in here.

 

[ranmaru]

@ #HBC | Mac :

He's scum because he has connections to ryu. D1 Ryu voted NL because he had to state a solid stance on NL to distance with him correctly, that's why it was odd. NL had a townlean/scumlean on Ryu but never really did much with it, just voted him for not answering a question (I believe) and unvoted and took forever to re-vote when I called the gang over to lynch his ass. NL voted him when Gorf hammered (by accident it seems) and before ryu hammered himself, trying to salvage whatever credit he could. Then he tried to play it off by being confused about his own hydra partner voting watt without considering Ryu's claim:

Zen I don't know why you just moved to WATT and just instantly bought Ruy's claim honestly, I don't think a lot of what he has done has really matched up and while I'm not the most er..read up, I still have yet to see a reason as to why he kept his vote on us this whole time.

zen: why go along with j's apparent "gambit" when it had no clear benefit to town besides making j look good?

Also consider NL never actually answered this. He just went into his 'gambit'. Which he has yet to follow up with today.

@J:

How am I scum when I pushed for Ryu's lynch D1? Think about that. I just think you need to re-read because you are just tunneling Watt. Give me reasoning please.

@No Lynch

What are you and Zen's direction for ToDay?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Easy. Mac jailed Rockin, which protected him from the Night Kill rather than blocking him from making the Night Kill. Which would mean Gorf is just lying about seeing a kill attempt on WATT.

-or-

Gorf saw a kill attempt on WATT, but it was blocked because that's the only thing that would explain WATT surviving. The kill was blocked by something, but clearly not by Macman, meaning we would have some other kind of town roleblocking role, making Mac highly suspect.

I'm waiting for you to explain to me why a redirector explains things better than either of these two options (specifically the first, as I think it's most likely).

I don't see why they would nail Rockin considering the fact all the other PRs are much more threatening, and how Rockin was a prime suspect in the first place.

This doesn't seem likely and I refuse to believe that such a role exists in this context.

I'm not a setup junkie but I can tell you why I think this works is because every other option doesn't work. Do you notice how all of this is opinion and you're trying to say 'well prove it'? I can't. Because I don't have that information. I'm just as clueless as you are.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@ ranmaru I'm ignoring you this phase. You've done nothing but mindlessly tunnel our slot. Try and be more constructive. Why is WATT town? How can WATT get an innocent on me yet I can still be scum because of it? Godfather? Something else? Explain.

 

[ranmaru]

Just tell me your scumreads this phase. That's all.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

WATT.
WATT.
WATT.

 

[ranmaru]

Zen too? I asked about zen's as well. D: <

And yeah I think you are godfather. Said that yesterday.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I remember Ryu tipping off the idea of multiple scum factions but even in that case WATT would [i[still[/i] make sense. He's someone I need gone before I figure out the rest of the puzzle. I don't see how he's lived this long honestly.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Zen too? I asked about zen's as well. D: <

And yeah I think you are godfather. Said that yesterday.

I think this will be a very hilarious post-game for you on how horribly wrong you are.

 

[ranmaru]

@ #HBC | Mac :

Why do you ask? Also, please out your jail. I think you should toDay since your jail yesterDay doesn't make sense. You know. Since Rockin didn't flip scum.

 

[Circus]

I don't see why they would nail Rockin considering the fact all the other PRs are much more threatening, and how Rockin was a prime suspect in the first place.

This doesn't seem likely and I refuse to believe that such a role exists in this context.

I'm not a setup junkie but I can tell you why I think this works is because every other option doesn't work. Do you notice how all of this is opinion and you're trying to say 'well prove it'? I can't. Because I don't have that information. I'm just as clueless as you are.

...But I'm explaining to you why I feel something seems more likely than something else. You're not explaining to me why you jumped to the conclusion you did—why you think redirector is more likely. You're just saying "because." I'm not asking you to prove anything; I'm asking you to give me a reason why you thought what you thought so I can determine whether or not it's believable. You just saying "I just thought Rockin was town and that it must be a redirector because I did." You were one of the ONLY people to think that before the flip yesterDay. I feel like you should have a more compelling reason for thinking the way you did.

You clearly don't, so whatever. I'm just telling you that it comes off shady to me.

 

[ranmaru]

See Circus. This is the initial problem I had with Nolynch. Soup having shaky logic and then he can't come up with an answer. (That was why I voted him in RVS)

His response? "Take it at face value man."

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're putting me in a position where I have to back up a claim that I don't have evidence to back it up. What I'm saying is subjective, just like you, and I've laid out why I think mine makes more sense.

Answer me: Why does a cop and tracker need to co-exist?

 

[ranmaru]

One between Macman and Gorf MUST be scum.

I would think Macman would be the likely scum. With him coming in yesTerday all gung-hoe on Rockin, and then he flips town. I just think he was scum that no-killed to paint Rockin as scum who attempted a shot, and got him mislynched. Otherwise I don't see how else the kill was 'stopped'.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I've said it like five times now, the only people who aren't 'cleared' because of WATT right now are you and Rake.

1. Do you believe that Rake would claim the he would as scum?
2. Do you believe that WATT would have survived this long if he was real?
3. Do you think it's likely that there is another faction?

I personally don't think there is, and I think WATT is last scum. I don't care about Ranmaru's 'lol godfather' nonsense because that still doesn't clear up what happened yesterday. It's all a bunch of WIFOM bull**** in the end but that's what this game has turned into.

 

[Ashemu]

vote: gorf
you guys are overthinking this

 

[ranmaru]

Enlighten me, Ashemu.

Also everytime I look at the thread title I think 'Zodiac' from Hunter x Hunter lol

 

[Circus]

You're putting me in a position where I have to back up a claim that I don't have evidence to back it up. What I'm saying is subjective, just like you, and I've laid out why I think mine makes more sense

Actually, the whole reason that I'm still talking to you about this is that you haven't done that. Explain how a redirector makes the pieces fit together. Mac was trying to do this earlier and couldn't make it work.

Answer me: Why does a cop and tracker need to co-exist?

They don't. I've been saying from the beginning that town seems overpowered with all of these roles. But as of now, I don't find WATT being a Naive Cop to be implausible, so I don't consider "we have a tracker" to be a good reason to HBC him out of here right now.

 

[Ashemu]

gorf shouldn't have seen a kill stopped by a roleblock
gorf DIDN'T see a kill stopped by a protect (otherwise he would've seen the protect)
odds are there wasn't a kill stopped by a roleblock in the first place
ergo his results are bull****.

 

[Ashemu]

also why would there be a naive cop in a nonbastard game with VTs. that is awful modding.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ ranmaru I'm ignoring you this phase. You've done nothing but mindlessly tunnel our slot. Try and be more constructive. Why is WATT town? How can WATT get an innocent on me yet I can still be scum because of it? Godfather? Something else? Explain.

Don't think we should be ignoring Ranmaru, I mean he did call out Ryu d1. And his points about your interactions with ryu make are legit and true

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Actually, the whole reason that I'm still talking to you about this is that you haven't done that. Explain how a redirector makes the pieces fit together. Mac was trying to do this earlier and couldn't make it work.

They don't. I've been saying from the beginning that town seems overpowered with all of these roles. But as of now, I don't find WATT being a Naive Cop to be implausible, so I don't consider "we have a tracker" to be a good reason to HBC him out of here right now.

I'm sorry Circus but I'm just telling you my thought process. I feel like you're expecting me to have all the answers when I don't. I wish we could back to when this game was about actual scumhunting and not outguessing the mod. It's seriously not fun at all.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I would think Macman would be the likely scum. With him coming in yesTerday all gung-hoe on Rockin, and then he flips town. I just think he was scum that no-killed to paint Rockin as scum who attempted a shot, and got him mislynched. Otherwise I don't see how else the kill was 'stopped'.

Damn ran how you gon do me like that

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Don't think we should be ignoring Ranmaru, I mean he did call out Ryu d1. And his points about your interactions with ryu make are legit and true

That's buried in my mind in a 2000+ posts game. I can tell you why it would be a good idea for me to hard tunnel my own partner D1 but hey.

 

[ranmaru]

gorf shouldn't have seen a kill stopped by a roleblock
gorf DIDN'T see a kill stopped by a protect (otherwise he would've seen the protect)
odds are there wasn't a kill stopped by a roleblock in the first place
ergo his results are bull****.

Do you mean that you can see him being voyeur but making up the results to cover his own ass?
Like the thing that makes me hesitate is rake's track on gorf.

 

[ranmaru]

Damn ran how you gon do me like that

Sorry bro between you and gorf I pick you but I'm still mulling it over. What do you think of what Ashy brought up wrt Gorf?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Everyone slow your roll on the votes. I want absolutely zero quicklynches and zero excuses for quicklynching. We are doing no HBC-ing.

One between Macman and Gorf MUST be scum.

Rockin, we are going to have a talk in post game. You had 24 hours of Twilight to claim and clarify your role and you didn't, all because you were angsty about getting quicklynched (hello, scum likely helped quicklynch you. Don't get mad at us). Learn to help your team, bro.

what did you see at the body though

 

[ranmaru]

Rake, results.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Vote gorf.

This shoulda happened yesterday

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ashemu didnt go visit anyone.

Now i want circus to tlak about what he used J's gift for, and what he saw with it

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I will add if he claims RB or not using it he dies today

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ugh are people ACTUALLY still considering me for scum like **** I GOTTA be obvtown by now

 

[#HBC | J]

Sang texted me to look at Rake's NA because I wouldn't believe it unless I saw it.

Another night of a useless track. Seriously facepalm ing at that choice.

 

[Ashemu]

man we still have 3 mls, even more depending on what j/mac do

i wonder if it's even possible for scum to win at this point

 

[Ashemu]

also: why does mac not just NK a power role then get rockin mislynched anyway? it wouldn't be too hard

 

[#HBC | J]

Eh let's get Circus' info in here.

 

[Circus]

Ashemu didnt go visit anyone.

Gah, what are you doing? Ash neighbored me N1, therefor we already know he's at least not the one who shot Gheb. It's really starting to look like you're using your ability badly intentionally.

Why is everyone scum this game?

 

[Ashemu]

what was gheb

 

[Circus]

Anyway, I dug up Gorf last Night. He was a panicking citizen, VT (lolscum nice shot). Pretty useless.

 

[Ashemu]

i still think it's reasonable to assume that scum wouldnt have janned him unless they were scared he was the real investigator planning to cc watt

i still think gorf is scum