ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[#HBC | Mac]

i think hydra drama should be a scumtell

at the very least it's antitown af

 

[Ashemu]

i think it should beworth a policy lynch but i think nl is town.

is there anything to discuss before offing watt

 

[Circus]

My explanation is that my ability to disregard the possibility of watt being scum since D2 has done nothing but grown with all of the info available, and having an inno on all of myself, NL and Ash is good enough to warrant my desire to off him. If he's town, the lingering question goes away and we have his flip to give us solid answers and, if applicable, gives us his sanity. If he's scum... Woohoo.

But how could he be scum based on what you know? You said you saw a kill attempt on him N2.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

we should give WATT an opportunity to voice his opinions

 

[Circus]

Yeah, itchy fingers off the triggers, I say.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I am 100% under the impression that we are dealing with anti town NA ****ery

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

It'd actually make sense for WATT to maybe have even redirected actions taken on himself onto another player. Either him or his partner redirected actions taken on him to rockin, this answering the question of why didn't anyone die and why did I see a kill attempt on WATT. Idk if I'd see redirection come up but if not then that'd explain everything... Either way, him flipping town would be very helpful to us regardless.

 

[Circus]

I am 100% under the impression that we are dealing with anti town NA ****ery

That doesn't explain anything and I'm sick of seeing people say "there's a redirector or something and that just means everything is ****ed."

These night actions are in a knot, but we can unravel it. What kind of role ****s with Night Actions to the point of making you see something that just straight up didn't happen?

Even if we assume there is a redirector, and the redirector somehow caused a kill to be attempted on one player (Rockin) while being seen on another (WATT), how does that make WATT scum in your eyes? It would mean scum shot at their own member, then redirected the shot to Rockin. Loony.

 

[Circus]

Gorfninja'd

 

[Circus]

Either way, him flipping town would be very helpful to us regardless.

Vote: Gorf

 

[#HBC | Mac]

But gorf in that scenario who would have shot scumWatt?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

No. It's very plausible. We bus drove that one NK in MMU didn't we? It essentially gives scum a lack of paper trail cuz, well, there's no concrete way to prove misdirection until it's flipped.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

But gorf in that scenario who would have shot scumWatt?

His scum partner. Or himself. If he's roleblocked, the kill is roleblocked. In all other situations his kill goes through and he isn't directly pointing the gun at his victim and going bang.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Vote: Gorf

Because getting three clears isn't helpful, and moving past being literally ****ing stuck on him isn't either. This isn't a "lynching Ruy or rake is always helpful" situation. This is real deal.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Look. We lynched a scummy and our Indy. We've avoided two Nights of killings. We can afford to be AND IN FACT ARE in a position where lynching a question mark for the sake of giving town answers has little to lose aside from a possibly dead townie.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

:|

@ Shun Goku Satsu Rake why the mother fuck have you yet to track watt?

Oh and @******* voting me/thinking I'm scum: explain me being tracked to watt AND ONLY WATT N1, and subsequently please stop suspecting me and focus on players that aren't necessarily clear.

 

[Circus]

Mac, is there a good reason not to out your jail from last Night?

 

[Moira]

It would mean scum shot at their own member, then redirected the shot to Rockin. Loony.

This isn't loony considering the actions we have presented. I mean what makes this implausible? Not a whole lot. This is a route of logic we have been following since Gorf's Voyeur claim.

I have a thought process post coming from both sides of this hydra since we talked some things out.

 

[Moira]

So let's look at WATT in a different perspective, right now he is Grade-A distraction #1. The next one would be Gorf. But we will focus on that in a bit.

WATT's NA claims:

N1: Investigated Gorf, Got Not Mafia
N2: Investigated No Lynch, Got Not Mafia
N3: Investigated Ashemu, Got Not Mafia

*Side-note: At both herp and derp investigating Ashy last night, that's just "..." in terms of being helpful to town.

So we lynch WATT, on the off hand he flips town we have two options:

1.) He flips Town Cop: We net 3 clears and the only people left due to PoE is Circus and Ranmaru. Would lynch Ranmaru first then go Circus. *Moira/Mac/Rake are cleared due to PRs*
2.) He flips Town Naive Cop: This is tricky but the least likely of the two options. It would be ******* to have this role here and kind of hate that WATT themselves have introduced this theory here. If this happened to be the case, all the investigations are useless.

At this point we could talk about which of Ranmaru or Circus could be scum. Both, honestly, have points to both sides. We have hated Ran's play towards No Lynch this game and if No Lynch does become cleared by WATT, Ranmaru dies plain and simple. He only is here to tunnel and not really do much else. He is the player in the game that no one is ever really talking about and just pushing to the side.

Then there is Circus, he makes good posts. Based on his tone and the way he is posting especially when he was condemning everyone yesterDay saying "Everyone who doesn't have Rockin as scum should die" looks more like incorrectly confident town. I do not like his pushing of No Lynch. He's turned into our new Rockin read where we had Rockin as town to possible null but the odds of him being Town are better. We also dislike Circus being really chastisy on the fact of no one should Quick-hammer this Day-phase.

These two slots should claim so we can just get all this information on the table. @ Circus @ ranmaru

The thing that makes us believe WATT is more likely to be scum this game>actually our cop. His play. Ignoring all the PR nonsense, we get to the nitty gritty of who is the scummiest of the slots in the game.

WATT is not scum-hunting. They only come into the thread when they are about to be lynched or to quickhammer a slot. Those are the two actions they are most known for in this game. That and lying about their claim/fumbling/lurking. However, the point we want to get across is the fact that WATT has done 0 scum-hunting from page-freaking-one of the game.

Regardless of their claim and NAs, their play reeks of scum. The fact is, we are in a Win-Win situation with WATT being lynched.

1.) WATT flips Mafia, obvious profit.
2.) WATT flips Town Cop, 3 clears.

There is quite literally nothing, but net gain at this point plus we finally get to rid the game of this distraction and focus on actually looking for the final scum-mate. People say WATT needs to come in here and explain his actions, but what actions can he explain? His lack of scum-hunting? *What answer would be good enough to turn the slot around* His quick-hammer of Rockin? *It'll be a "oops we dun goofed" His lying? *We felt confident on a read here!* His lurking? *We have both been busy*

There is nothing more for them to answer for and just needs to get out of the game.

WATT dies toDay, then if we need to we will discuss Gorf toMorrow but there should be no other lynch besides WATT. It is amazing that he has lived this long. Especially if he is the cop. Mafia would be idiotic to leave him alive because *unless Mac is scum, which he isn't* WATT hasn't been RB'd all game. They have a bus-driver*Possibly* but they would not be able to guess WATT's NA's and flip-flop two people at the same point.

Gorf's inconsistency is something we do need to have happen, but like this hydra is not allowing any other lynch but WATT's toDay. It would be not smart to have anyone else's flip this Day-phase besides theirs.

 

[Moira]

Also Ashemu can only be scum if we find out there is no Redirector/Bus-Driver. She has proven her ability to be a neighborizer of some nature. Having a Redirecting/Bus-driver Neighborizer is way too far-fetched.

So that's an avenue that can be shut down for now. If anyone has WATT as town, then you should be looking at only two names at the final scum-mates and that is Ranmaru/Circus. The fact that no one's votes are on either of them suggest that no on in the town has WATT as town.

That reason there is a big reason why I think WATT is full of it. Based on his info and the fact that his info has yet to be proven wrong, his vote should be on one of Circus/Ranmaru. Why is it not?

 

[Moira]

The only person who has given us reason to believe there is a Redirector/Bus-Driver is, Gorf. Now Gorf is someone that could honestly just be lying or could be telling the truth. We will not know until WATT's flip. To all those pushing Gorf>WATT toDay are looking sketch in my eyes because based on logical following of what would be the best action, it ends up being WATT. Like even if you are convinced Gorf is scum 100%, if WATT flips town. We have that inconsistency that will be enough to get him lynched, however, if WATT flips town Gorf is effectively cleared by WATT.

There are no negatives for the Gorf wagon to be ditched and the WATT wagon to garner more votes.

 

[Moira]

Vote: Gorf

This is a bad vote from you Circus because Gorf's logic is correct. Him flipping either alignment will be helpful, even if he does flip town. We have so much cushion we could build a pillow fort.

 

[Circus]

Hm. Had something to say but I think I'll bite my tongue.

Really just want a solid appearance from WATT right now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Watt town flip does not == 3 clears. Godfathers exist, etc

Also, I don't think Moira's inventor **** clears them (don't yell at me J! I'm just sayin)

Mac, is there a good reason not to out your jail from last Night?

No not really. I wanted people / potential scum to come up with their night actions without using that info, wanted to see where we'd be headed down today without ppl knowing why the second lack of kill may have

@ppl tryna rush the watt lynch through, I see no large benefit in hurrying like we did yesterday with rockin. These kinda hbc Days don't give us much information esp if the lynchee flips town. Though I agree with ppl that the watt lynch gives us the most info and their okay has been substandard since d1


Man it'd have been cool if rake tracked watt one of these days just to verify he's not making up who he's been targeting.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Maybe tonight

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also circus

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

How did you dig up gorf is he's still alive

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also wasn't Gorf flavour panicked citizen or some shot like tgat

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Good job focusing on a typo Rake. Now why the actual fuck have you yet to track watt?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hey circus is J's logic loony or is it okay and plausible cuz it didn't come from the guy who was directly involved with it?

 

[Circus]

I still think a redirector is an unnecessary element given the facts present. People are twisting to make it fit rather than just following Occam's Razor to the idea that someone just ****ed up their claim. It could be true; I just don't know why it's become such a prevailing theory. And it specifically seems weird coming from you just because it's such a 180 from your previous stance on WATT, and you're basically banking it on the idea of a redirector, which we have no real evidence of. It feels like an unnatural leap.

But whatever, it's not like it's any secret that I've been suspicious of WATT's slot since I replaced in. If he doesn't show up soon, we can **** him outta here.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm down to **** watt out of here too. His lack of presence is concerning.

I just wonder how Gorf can be scum if he was tracked to watt n1. I mean, he was confirmed doing something other than killing and other than janning. Doesn't that clear him?

 

[ranmaru]

Then considering that watt and rake's NA's are not that good

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

You know what's unnatural? Seeing a kill from WATT, hearing that Mac janned rockin, and seeing rockin flip town. No malice, but that's why it's ****in weird.

Which reminds me. Mac should be pushed to reveal his jail now.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah I'd like to hear it actually

 

[ranmaru]

Seeing a kill from WATT.

lol

hearing that Mac janned rockin

lol

 

[ranmaru]

Hey @ #HBC | Mac what's holding you up with your jail?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i jailed @No Lynch

 

[ranmaru]

Also how are you reading Moira currently? You said his role doesn't clear him. I'm wondering how it changed since before Rockin.

 

[ranmaru]

I see your jail. Doesn't influence my read as I don't see how your last jail makes sense with Rockin flipping town.

Please answer my question, if you are getting to it ignore this.