ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Ashemu]

mac, do you think nl is scum?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Also how are you reading Moira currently? You said his role doesn't clear him. I'm wondering how it changed since before Rockin.

I reserve judgement mostly until WATT flips, but i def lean town esp depending on what happens tonight

mac, do you think nl is scum?

more than anyone else at this point (other than potentiallyWATT) i think he'd be just as good a lynch candidate today as WATT

 

[ranmaru]

Ah ok, thanks for showing me your read on Moira is bull****.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

-_-

yw ran

 

[ranmaru]

It's come to me. The reason why Macman jailed Moira n1 is really because Macman is the janner, and Moira legit has an inventer role as scum. Notice how there is a kill and jan (Moira didn't send an item to anyone n1) N1 but no kills at all. Now we are wondering why they are now kills. Well we THOUGHT it was Macman jailing Rockin. Yet Rockin flipped town. There is no other explanation as to why the kill didn't happen. The only option left is scum no killing for *some reason*, or Moira inventing a bp item. I think it is the former.

Therefore, Macman is a scumbag liar. Vote: Macman

@Circus

Here is my answer. He was confident in Rockin scum due to his 'jail' yet Rockin flipped town.

@ No Lynch

Vote Macman. Forget about Zen's gambit. Vote Mac, he's scum.

@ Ashemu

Vote Macman. I know you had some suspicion of Mac D2. Then D3 he comes in with the Jail role which is not doing it's job.

@ #HBC | Gorf

Vote Mac. You see the weirdness of him targetting Rockin yet you seeing a kill attempt on Watt. It either means you are lying or that Mac lied about being a jailer (and no killed).

 

[#HBC | Mac]

uh, well Moira already claimed the bulletproof vest thing wasn't actually ever sent

 

[ranmaru]

That was n1 right? Or was that another night?

 

[ranmaru]

I also think it's odd Moira isn't considering what I have done for the town, and is simply trying to misrep me by saying that I'm simply tunneling NL. He also isn't even trying to read Macman, he's saying "If mac is scum, which he isn't because pr's". Him and Macman had a BIG spat D2 during twilight and it's NOTHING now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I actually read your first paragraph like 4 times and can't understand the logic

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I still stand by all the poitns I made against Moira d2, just considering the invention they sent me yesterday it's hard to see how they could be anti-town, at least if the invention works as expected

 

[ranmaru]

First two sentences are theory. Yet it's not the basis of my reads on you and Moira. I just think it's mostly odd that you jail Rockin yesterday, thinking he committed a kill, yet he flipped town. Therefore, I think you are lying about your role, or there is some other possibility which is unexplained.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

idk what to tell you bro, i'm just as confused as you are

 

[ranmaru]

Does your jail influence your read on NL, or is your strong suspicion on NL unrelated to your jail on him?

 

[Xivii]

down with day vigging mac

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yea it does influence my read on him. not to say I trust my jail completely due to possible redirector / bus driver / recruitment oriented roles / etc

regardless, I'm the only person that's claimed thus far to have a night action stopping role, so unless mafia decided to No Kill twice, it's pretty likely that my jail is playing a role. (except for possible recruitment oriented roles... etc)

 

[ranmaru]

Here is my plan for tonight:

Lynch Macman. Upon scumflip:

Watt: Target Moira.
Rake: Target Moira.
Gorf: Target Watt.

I also think that if Gorf and Rake are town, it means there most likely isn't room for protection in the game. Being able to track and voyeur is protection in and of itself, I think.

 

[ranmaru]

I also don't see any room for recruitment roles/redirection. I just think you are lying, Macman.

If anyone believes there is evidence to prove me wrong, please show it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

do you think scum no killed twice in a row?

 

[ranmaru]

I do. Remember when you came in Day 3 with a vote on rockin? Because you were jailer. But rockin flipped town and now there is no explination left on why there are no kills. It'd also help fuel the thoughts of scum no killing to make people doubt Watt, the cop. I would think it would line up with you being a janner, and with moira being an inventer who can't kill while inventing. So no kills so he can continue to send items.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

iight so you think I as scum, no killed twice to simply to be able to claim jailer on d3 in order to push a lynch on Rockin who already was a scummy and easy target to push. Pushing a lynch that I knew would result in Town dying, and that i'd have to explain my self for the what 4 MLs left that we have. You think I'm no killing twice in a row in order to shed doubt on WATT, the playerslot who I prevented from being lynched both d2 and d3 (by fake claiming a jail on Rockin).

you think that makes more sense than me outing myself as jailer because there was a nokill ( a rare event) and I had an amazing explanation for why that would have occurred?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Wow ran might actually be scum because this is terrible

 

[ranmaru]

1. On pushing Rockin, it's wifom. The role helped clear you somewhat and some (especially moira) are considering you off the table simply due to 'pr's.
2. You actively voiced against Watt's lynch before, but the nk's can plant the seed of doubt for you without you having to voice it. Yet you are fine with him getting ****ed outta here toDay anyways.

I do because it's the only option I see left. I don't trust your claim. It doesn't fit the picture with the results we have.

 

[ranmaru]

Wow ran might actually be scum because this is terrible

Tell me how Macman being a jailer, jailing rockin who was town makes sense? Also explain to me how my logic is terrible.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

First of all, if Mac is scum jailer with Moria, they wouldn't stop killing just to get watt lynched. thats dumb as ****. They could easily kill him and no one would give a ****.

Secondly, mac as a scum jailer would already balance the crazy town pr bull****, for j to be an inventor who's inventions didn't work would be pointless, and why would they need to jan any more people anyway ? There's nothing to lose unless Gheb was mafia which im betting isnt far off the mark

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

My idea now is we are either dealing with a mafia traitor and one other role who has a kill and isnt using it, or we're dealing with a second team, possibly with a jan/abduction role thing going on. It'd more easily explain why they wouldn't want to reveal gheb, if you assume gheb was a bad dude with Ryu, and even if Gheb wasn't and scum shot each other, it only benefits the other's not to reveal him

 

[ranmaru]

I don't think Mac is jailer at all, that's my point. I'm not saying I know J's real role and how it really works. Consider my theory moot until Mac flips scum. I think they are both scum individually. Since J was confimed to sending something to Circus, I feel he can be a legit inventer, but scum aligned.

 

[ranmaru]

My idea now is we are either dealing with a mafia traitor and one other role who has a kill and isnt using it, or we're dealing with a second team, possibly with a jan/abduction role thing going on. It'd more easily explain why they wouldn't want to reveal gheb, if you assume gheb was a bad dude with Ryu, and even if Gheb wasn't and scum shot each other, it only benefits the other's not to reveal him

Rake, Gheb was found out to being a vt. Try actually reading the thread for once.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Now as to today, there are a couple issues:

1) Circus mistaking Gorf for Gheb
2) The fact that I swear I've heard the flavour panicked citizen before, which if the case means J's power isn't real and him and probably Circus need to die
3) J needs to talk about whatever OP **** he apparently built
4) We need claims from Circus and whoever else hasn't claimed (with flavour)

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I did read the thread, i also remember panicked citizen before it was talked about.
Plus, you'll notice how hard J's trying to sell his roll as an autoclear, like stating how me tracking him to some person and them not dying meant anything on a night with no kill. not to mention that hes' wrapped circus up into this as a nice little bow and basically gone gung ho to say that circus is town , which while i do feel strongly about, dont like that J was trying to push down our throats.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that those 2 are together and knew gheb's role by some other means

 

[ranmaru]

Actually Moira was talking about how he isn't like Circus either toDay. But yeah I do agree, I see him trying to push his role and mac's as autoclears when it shouldn't be.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yknow what's even worse than you thinking i'm scum

that you think i'm scum with ****in Moira

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Yeah if mac's scum then Moria likely isnt.
Cmon Ran

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

How about... And I know this is a CRAZY idea... But ran why don't you stop tryna be ambitious and conform and lynch watt.

 

[No Lynch]

Vote: gorf

 

[ranmaru]

How about... And I know this is a CRAZY idea... But ran why don't you stop tryna be ambitious and conform and lynch watt.

Nope. I'll only compromise to him. How about you actually look for scum. Or at least humor me with my thoughts on mac.

 

[ranmaru]

Btw I WOULD vote Gorf here but then again this stops me:

I just wonder how Gorf can be scum if he was tracked to watt n1. I mean, he was confirmed doing something other than killing and other than janning. Doesn't that clear him?

@ No Lynch
talk to me about this

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Sounds good. I'll be patiently waiting till watt gets lynched. Good luck on your Mac thing goes, I'll be impressed if you get it through toDay.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

why was goes unnecessarily added I ain't even drunk

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I did read the thread, i also remember panicked citizen before it was talked about.

I did a search, and there are no posts that have panicking/panicked citizen in them except for the ones where you talked about it, and when circus claimed.

fwiw
i claimed paranoid citizen,
watt claimed attentive season when he was fake claiming watcher, and then claimed investigative citizen as cop
joey claimed manipulative citizen

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ebwop: when circus revealed his jan investigative thingy result