ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ash is town but I feel like I'm naive and should take these with a salt shaker.
Im also grabbing chow and will be back shortly

According to your 'results' the only people who wouldn't be clear right now would be Rake and Circus, and even then, Rake has yet to claim HIS results.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I want to lynch WATT now.

vote watt

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so what are the redirection roles? off to mafiascum

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yea i think watt needs to go aswell

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm heading out to go food shopping and other stuff. I'll be back later.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

If were dealing with a conversion mafia can we like just collectively quit now?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

No. Marshy approved of this setup, there's no chance he'd approve of something so ridiculous. Idgaf if it's meta it's ****ing legit. This setup is a headache already, no way it's THAT broken.

 

[Moira]

Vote: Sexy Officer

If this doesn't happen toDay I think I may cry tears.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't think a letter sender is too far fetched.

 

[Moira]

Based off toDay's findings, our slot has just shot up to close to #1 in NK targets because well our last item is kind of broken as hell and now that I know I have that ability to do something like that they may get more OP. Though we have been keeping it down due to both of us not wanting to break this game.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Redirector
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

assuming redirector and believing Gorf, that means my jail on rockin 2 nights ago got transferred to WATT and WATT was targeted with a kill

assuming redirector and not believing Gorf, that means my jail got redirected to someone who either made the kill or was the kill target. The first seems pretty unlikely, why would mafia redirect Mac to one of their own?

assuming bus driver and believing Gorf, that means rockin and watt were switched right? actually wait, if rockin and watt were switched, then my jail would have targeted watt instead of rockin, but gorfs action should have targeted rockin instead of watt? same with the kill.

so if gorf targetted WATT and saw ppl who visited rockin and mafia tried to kill rockin, shouldn't he have also seen my jail attempt on rockin? It also seems farfetched that mafia would kill rockin so I don't really think the rockin / watt redirect is likely

assuming bus driver and not believing Gorf, that means that rockin was switched with the real night kill candidate.

wouldn't it be weird tho for scum to bus drive the guy they were targetting with a night action?


**** this is too confusing

Gorf's also confirming that I didn't get targetted tonight, so there's no way I was redirected.

Not sure if I should claim my jail target just yet

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Was that even necessary to insert? You're already obvtown may as well try and make the most of your role lol

 

[#HBC | Mac]

moira's role is mos def broken as ****

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

^was @ Moira

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Well I mean you were targeted by moira lol

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yo **** bus drivers/redirectors lol

 

[#HBC | J]

I think we have a busdriver, not redirect or.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

assuming my jail prevented the kill 2 nights ago and Gorf is telling the truth, I don't see how a busdrive could have resulted in Rockin not being scum while WATT got targeted with a kill.

Gorf should have seen both my jail, and the kill on WATT

while I guess rockin could have gotten bus driven with mafia right? So mafia might have bus driven themselves with Rockin? maybe in order to look good from an investigative role? which looks bad for NL

but then wouldn't the kill action on WATT not even have shown up in that case...

so back to it not making any sense

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll explain my theory later I gotta get to a CPU because loltextyping and it keeps switching me back to my main whenever it refreshes

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Wots All This Then? who is scum man?

If WATT flips scum that means much of the d1 wagon logic I was using can get thrown away. And if he flips town that logic is more incriminating imo. WATT's flip would probably net us the most information of any of the lynches today, and maybe help us get back on track with scumhunting instead of this gross PR fest that we're dealing with

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Ranmaru why is No Lynch scum?

 

[#HBC | J]

Let's let all the PRs claim their actions then just HBC WATT, it's not that hard.

 

[Circus]

Everyone slow your roll on the votes. I want absolutely zero quicklynches and zero excuses for quicklynching. We are doing no HBC-ing.

One between Macman and Gorf MUST be scum.

Rockin, we are going to have a talk in post game. You had 24 hours of Twilight to claim and clarify your role and you didn't, all because you were angsty about getting quicklynched (hello, scum likely helped quicklynch you. Don't get mad at us). Learn to help your team, bro.

 

[Ashemu]

i don't think zen would have done that if rockin wasnt actually scum

i think it's watt/gorf

im very confused how thered be no kill N2 if not for mac, and gorf's result doesn't add up, unless he intentionally no-killed and tried to clear watt

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

WATT is objectively the best choice here. I simply don't believe that last scum truly lies between Rake/Circus if we're going off his investigations because such a role to even exist with an abundance of PRs that have been claimed makes no sense. What's the point of a Tracker and a cop? There really isn't.

 

[Circus]

Because the way things went down I knew that were was a redirector, which is still out there. I'm pretty sure you're just reaction testing our slot regardless. I don't have an explanation beyond any of that.

How?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Because how could a kill still happen last last night while gorf still saw a kill action on WATT? Wasn't the reason we lynched Rockin because of Mac's results?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: A kill didn't occur last last night, yet Gorf still saw one occur on WATT. Rockin flipped town and we lynched him because of Mac claiming to jail him. It doesn't make sense of Rockin to flip town because there is no other feasible action that could explain why there was no kill last night. Unless scum was trying some no 'don't kill' strategies. Does that make better sense?

 

[Circus]

Because how could a kill still happen last last night while gorf still saw a kill action on WATT? Wasn't the reason we lynched Rockin because of Mac's results?

But what makes you assume a redirector rather than one of them just lying?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

we know it doesn't make sense for rockin to have flipped town with the **** that went down yesterday, the question was how you came to that conclusion before you knew rockin's flip

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I've felt that WATT was scum, that's a sole reason why I felt it was bull****. I didn't explictly 100% know but I certainly was bragging about it.

 

[Circus]

Plus, you claimed to know there was a redirector yesterDay, even before the flip, and that's why you were sure Rockin was town.

But based on the information presented in the thread, Rockin could have very well been scum, which would have made both Mac's and Gorf's results feasible (scum Rockin attempts to shoot WATT but is blocked by Mac). It's only post-flip that it becomes definitive that one between Gorf and Mac must be lying (or, apparently, that a redirection happened, but that still doesn't add up to me).

 

[Circus]

Macninja'd

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It was how I personally felt about the situation, I suppose it's my fault for you to misread me just being confident about there being a redirector.

 

[Circus]

....

I mean, yeah, I do find it suspicious that you just felt REALLY confident about a redirector for apparently no reason. And that you felt Rockin was likely to be town, not only based on the Night results, but also based on the way he acted post-hammer. Town typically claims and offers reads in that situation, and Rockin staunchly refused to.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I can't say anything more than apologize for the way I worded things if that's the sole reason you're scumreading me. My logic just told me in my head that there had to be a redirector because as I've said before, I haven't been buying WATT being legit at all these past phases. I can't think of anyone else it could be, and I'm kind of upset that we did lynch Rockin. In my end it was sort of like 'yeah whatever you're all wrong and you'll see'.

Would you say my logic is wrong now?

 

[Circus]

I can't say anything more than apologize for the way I worded things if that's the sole reason you're scumreading me. My logic just told me in my head that there had to be a redirector because as I've said before, I haven't been buying WATT being legit at all these past phases. I can't think of anyone else it could be, and I'm kind of upset that we did lynch Rockin. In my end it was sort of like 'yeah whatever you're all wrong and you'll see'.

Would you say my logic is wrong now?

I would say that I just genuinely don't understand how you could have townread Rockin yesterDay without outside information. I was leaning town on him for most of the game, but everything about how yesterDay went down pointed to him being scum.

So that's just going to be something about you that bothers me. And I'm not going to entertain the thought of redirector/bus driver unless you (or someone) gives me a real reason to consider it likely.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't see what else could explain how Rockin was town? I'm not sure what else you want me to say here because we lynched Rockin on the basis of Macman's jail, unless you think Mac is scum? Why did the no kill happen then?

 

[Circus]

Easy. Mac jailed Rockin, which protected him from the Night Kill rather than blocking him from making the Night Kill. Which would mean Gorf is just lying about seeing a kill attempt on WATT.

-or-

Gorf saw a kill attempt on WATT, but it was blocked because that's the only thing that would explain WATT surviving. The kill was blocked by something, but clearly not by Macman, meaning we would have some other kind of town roleblocking role, making Mac highly suspect.

I'm waiting for you to explain to me why a redirector explains things better than either of these two options (specifically the first, as I think it's most likely).

 

[Circus]

This is of course assuming scum didn't just decide to no kill, because that would be a pretty bold move coming from a scum team that is already down a man and dealing with several out town PRs.