ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[No Lynch]

isnt it irony how i tried to play like zen so people wouldn't read us as two different heads and regardless the thing i was trying to prevent is actually happen like nothing is going to bother me more with people going 'well the soup side is town' or 'the zen side is scummy' like ****

@Zack Fair

are you done being a baby now im still waiting on replies

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Please forgive anything Zen has done this game, it's very hard to contain him and I fought him on Ryu like literally all of last phase, I sincerely apologize.

Zen will be zen. It is known

 

[No Lynch]

Zen will be zen. It is known

What's your read on Moira? Is J pushing you on false intentions as scum?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

J is usually more open to things and reconsidering himself from what I remember. I'm not sure how kuch sang has been influencing this but I don't like how tunnelvisioned he is being considering how openly we put ourselves in this situation

 

[Ashemu]

Maaaaaaaan night kills like these suuuuuuuuuck. That Ranmaru result seems so random to me @_@
Ashemu, without information or a reason behind a lynch, you're either lynching just cause you want to, or you're lynching out of random. I rather avoid those type of options and avoid with reason. Every lynch holds some sort of information to talk about for the next day.

ok, but both ryu and watt would've given information the next day after being lynched, and you argued watt was a better choice at least partially because he'd give more, which isn't a reason when both flips give info

also again why didnt you look at the two players' dayplay when deciding between the lynches

 

[Circus]

Vote: No Lynch

Pull yourself together or replace out.

i meant the bus in the sense of joey was selling the idea of it being regular Ryu play and most people were kinda like : well thjats weird joey and thought he was all scummy and such, so the joey bus coulda been jumping down his throat or siding with him (if you believe Ashemu's sort of implication that im scum with ryu) and just written off the ryu disparity to the best of my opinion by riding joeys opinion

This post is a bit of a mess. You're still making the leap to Joey scum from what I can tell. You brought that up kind of out of the blue.

I don't want to get too excited over this, but it feels like a slip.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

nl is down right hysterical.

 

[Circus]

Top half of that post is saved from a draft of a post I was typing that I later decided didn't need to be said. Ignore it.

I really hate that the draft save feature is so random and automated, because then it doesn't remember when I delete **** and want it to stay deleted.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i know isn't it the worst?

 

[Dooms]

@ Circus

Ahh. Ignore any typos please. 5 hours of sleep within the past two dasys with no food today = brainded.

First off, Rockin... "If his incoming post doesn't have more content in it, I'm going to be suspicious to say the least."

I'm not going to ask questions to force your posts to have more content in it. I shouldn't have to ask you questions to get you going in the game. I don't want to know specific things. I want to know things in general, and I want to see things that aren't a pile of fluff from your slot.

I was going to say that I agreed with other people that Ryu's claim looked way too out of it to be legit compared to WATT's essentially. I also realized that I was giving Ryu way too much credit for being Ryu. Just because he does things he does in games doesn't mean he can't adapt, and I realized that with the CC and how he has been playing, I'd simply believe WATT over Ryu. I just didn't want to try to type that in a longer fashion with crap service in a car ride when I couldn't even see the text for typos.

I don't believe Ryu with the two scum team thing personally. He hasn't really been hunting forscum at all. I kind of believe the watcher thing because he really expected that claim to save his *** with how poorly he claimed it imo.

All the thoughts I have wine and food time bbl.

I made this post after I got back home. I made my vote post from a car ride during my V/LA time because I was reading while stuck in traffic and didn't want my vote on the wrong person, and this explanation was the follow up that I promised with that vote. ._.

 

[Circus]

Kay, that's believable. But it doesn't really refute my point.

Is Rockin your biggest scum suspect?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake, you tend to this stalling thing when you pretend you're thinking as scum. Could you tell me where your head is at right now?

I have information but it's dangerous information

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Regardless of the WATT claim?

Reading this thread backwards is pretty fun.

I dunno, see I have information but I don't know how to interpret it. Hence me holding my reads close to my chest about Gorf and Orbo.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I think I know whatcher sayin circus. Joey pushin out at rockin might just be carry on here. Not sure though. Would say joey=/= rockin but the way rockin handled ryu is kinda ick

Why would scum joey vote rockin though, the direction is really weak at best and even in Joey's arguments for it, it seems just like a bit of a fluffed up lynch on a inactive duder. Which makes me really feel not amazing about Joey scum because as I recall he's at east a little better at scum than to do this.

I also don't like the Joey + Ryu idea, Joey's flippant Ryu defense of saying it's just normal Ryu stuff seems like to gutsy a hand grenade to dive on especially considering the Ryu hate wasn't even culminating into the lynch yet. I suppose you could say joey had a knee jerk scum reaction and was trying to write off what his partner was doing, but if they were really chatting i feel Ryu would be telling Joey not to overreact to the pressure because the connection could look bad.

I also disagree with Circus that joey's vote then Ryu's is a scum tell,considering Joey had already whiteknighted Ryu once it's hard for me to see why he'd then just flop a vote on Ryu with ****ty reasoning that any half decent scummer would know, would read of a bus and be too dangerous to try and swing considering their previous interactions.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I think I know whatcher sayin circus. Joey pushin out at rockin might just be carry on here. Not sure though. Would say joey=/= rockin but the way rockin handled ryu is kinda ick

How so ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Pull yourself together or replace out.

This post is a bit of a mess. You're still making the leap to Joey scum from what I can tell. You brought that up kind of out of the blue.

I don't want to get too excited over this, but it feels like a slip.

Jump to Joey scum wat

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Circus, I don't think you understand that my comments were in response to the idea of Ryu + Joey being a scum team together, and that my opinion is that it wouldn't make any sense to me at this time for Joey and Ryu to be scum together.

I'm still exploring the possibility of Joey's apparent scumminess from yesterday being of a individual nature but I can say confidently that I'm not feeling that yet either.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, you're misinterpreting bus, the transportation method (which I meant), and bus as in the idea of me, ryu and joey being a scum tri-fecta and having some sort of kill the Joey plan, which is silly because I hate bussing with a passion as scum because I not only hate the idea of purposefully forging connections with your mates when you don't need to necessarily, and the fact that if you bus too well or too poorly that the fine bussing line you walk will crumble under you.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

How so ?

Rockin walked in at days end, see me and ryu at lynchs end and said "hey yup gonna go ahead and bote this guy because it gives more info and because herp a derp"(extreme generalization but you get the point)
That's not suspicious to you considering ryus flip?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I have information but it's dangerous information

The fact that you stated this out loud really makes me go /ugh. Why out this without intent to directly state it?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I dunno man its right on the line for me becausse it's so dumb and read half hearted to me that i almost wanna call it just a dumb/lazy twon thing

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

i dont think you can tell me that Rockin's so confident in his scum game that he sees his possible partner Ryu up for grabs, as well as you and goes "yeah imma do the scummy thing here and say i'm lynching WATT because more information", even if in his scum play he didn't perceive himself that way, or he's scum of a different order, I really don't see how after Rockin's absence and just the general feel of his early Day 1 (what little there was ) that he just slips ans gets lazy by saying "i'd rather lynch for mroe information" and the thing is, lynching because it garner's isn't even truly scummy, it may have anti town tendancies but that doesn't imply scum.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*because it garner's more info for town

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

There have been plenty of games that I recall where a slot that was under heavy fire and and had the brunt of the day focused there way have been lynched because lynching randomly or outside them wasn't going to garner anything. So the game satisfised the need for a lynch by lynching the spot lighted slot to help shed information on the people pushing / not pushing and how those people were pushing and approaching that slot

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

So, I'm going to ask you, do you view rockin wanting to lynch for more inforamtion solely scum telling because of his absence and then that action , or is the action of lynching that way scummy itself. In addition, why was how Rockin approached it scummy over just a bad idea, if rockin had been a major presence in thread and had said towards the end "i feel like WATT gives more info than ryu does", would you still scum read it ?

 

[Dooms]

Kay, that's believable. But it doesn't really refute my point.

Is Rockin your biggest scum suspect?

The other points you're making are things I can't really respond to. Saying that I coordinated with Ryu to lynch him, saying that Ryu brings up the fact that us defending eachother is in our meta, us being linked together through what Rake says... Yeah it's a lot of wifom that I can't respond to. Are you expecting me to respond to this?

Rockin is my biggest scum suspect, yes.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, not to be WIFOMY but i want to ask you specifically, are you pushing the idea of Rockin as scum individually (as in he could be scum with Ryu but his actions could be 2nd team or whatever), or are you pushing the idea of Rockin is solely scum with Ryu because of his end of D1 actions towards the lynch ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Sorry, forgot to add the wifomy point that I don't think right now that: Rockin as afk scum comes back to the game, sees his partner on the line and instead of staying afk, pushing Ryu or anything else, decides to say that he feels eh wants to lynch WATT because the slot garners the most info. That just seems like it'd be too much for Rockin to risk as scum seeing his buddy Ryu already being shipped out

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

^ this also slightly extends to if Rockin was on a different scum team to some extents

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Its the fact he wasnt here all day that annoys me about it. If he had been here with a presence than I wouldn't be bothered so much about it. Rockin is that type of guy but its the fact ryu flipped scum when rockin was (I think?) Aware of the cc scenario and still went with lynching
Me

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Imma take a shower. Brb

 

[Wots All This Then?]

So I read over the interactions around the time Ryu claims and up till the eventual lynch and I think there's a few people that need to be pointed out as possible partners that haven't been completely explored. I don't believe in a world where there's two scum teams with a janitor and also a way for someone to go "missing" for the other NK, so I'm operating under the assumption that Ryu has partners to be caught, plus or minus Gheb, and that there's an Indy (or awkward town removal role) kidnapping people on the side.

Moira had and as far as I know still has a full tunnel on our slot all of D1 that isn't being addressed, but refuses to hard scum-read Ryu at the same time. Citing being okay with Ryu's VL/A reasons, but not being okay with us being busy beforehand.

Red Ryu is a read that is confusing because I have not played with him all that much. This game it seems he is busy with irl things so I am not being able to tell if he is just not able to be posting and scum-hunting to the best of his ability or if he is playing a duck and wave sort of game. J has him as null because of the feeling that there is really nothing much to call him out on besides atypical Ryu things. I feel I am tending to give him the benefit of the doubt since half his posts are V/LA reasonings like finals and going to a con which I can empathize with because of myself being on vacation and having to use a hotel computer to catch up and read. So I guess this is just a wordy way of saying, null. I can probably say this for both sides, but we would rather have someone who is actually here and posting to flip over that of Ryu. I would vote Gorf over him in a heart beat. The reason I put him there in the lynch line was to express that I would much much prefer the other two (WATT/Gheb) over the other two (Gorf/Ryu).

Then later after there's claims and CC's to discuss opts near deadline to ignore discussion of it in favor of analyzing how many votes are on each wagon, and tries to hurry the process in the middle of discussion when our vote-count is in the lead.

And WATT has 5 votes.

So effectively as of this post:

Red Ryu (4) - WATT, Gheb, Rake, Ranmaru
WATT (5) - Moira, No Lynch, Joey, Rockin, Red Ryu
Not voting either candidate - Gorf, Circus, Ashemu, Macman

Yeah, looking at the wagons and the votes, I am still much more content with the WATT wagon. I'm about to give Sang a call shortly and we are gonna discuss this game a bit.

Macman, get your vote on WATT already and stop being such a ****-tease. Now's the time to man up and make a decision between the wagons.

i'm picking ryu

So you are choosing to join a wagon with 3 of your scum-suspects?

You are definitely going to have to explain the rational behind that.

This kind of trying to scare other people away from the Ryu wagon gives me awful vibes, but I haven't heard anyone say anything or even discuss Moira as good or bad toDay and I think that should change. Based on just how reluctant they are to see a Ryu wagon go through under any circumstances before either us, Gheb, or even Gorf is suspicious. I think they should be considered among possible Ryu partners.


Rockin has already been talked about a few times, but I haven't seen anyone dissect what I think is his worst post, #870

Alright, first off, I'm more cool with lynching WATT over Ryu for aspecific reason: the way he responded soon after Ryu claimed.



Who would say that? Like really, why really say that?

Normally it's them certain that said particular person dies or 'Okay, my vote is pretty much cemented.' It just...sounds weird and awkward.

Lynching WATT would yeild more information and results as opposed to Red Ryu, who hasn't been much of a presence at all (let alone, any possible connections me or others may aquire).

Now before I go on, the reason why I never thought WATT was scummy (specifically answering Gheb) because a lot of its reasoning for scumminess was weak. Most of it was either about meta or just weak questioning to people. Your post over here summerize the case behind him



A, B, and C are no substance of convincing me. Your only point of interest/point of him being scummy was the lack of reads to back it up, but it's minor to me (which really didn't give me the feel at all that he was scummy). Then you talk about your other reasoning was 'lack of confidence' in which to persue you. I feel pretty 'eh' about it mostly cause...there wasn't much to talk about in regards to you. It felt like you were just being a bit sensitive (but it could also be me just, again, not seeing it as scummy).

A,B, and a slight bit of C is pretty much why I had everyone else null, because all peeople would mostly talk about the player's meta and past games, instead of talking more about this game. Again, I know I didn't help much in the scenario, but at the time, I really had no questions to really ask.

This moment though is different. I'm lynching WATT based on the claim around him and the response after Red Ryu claimed. I feel like by going this route, we could have more information to talk about as opposed to lynching Red Ryu, then having the game reset to D1 (cause we learned little from the lynch) and then possibly going with WATT.

I'm also uncomfortable with -Masquerain- and Gorf.

Both people have brought my name up as far as me 'not doing anything' and that I should be looked into. However, neither of them really done anything to fix it, even though I specifically said they could question me if they want (as said in 624http://smashboards.com/threads/zombies-mafia-day-1-begins-deadline-set-to-5-21-at-11-59-pm-est.354916/page-16#post-16753022 ) . Gorf's way feels like he's been throwing darts and waiting to see which would bring up the most attention. Mentions Gheb, then would mention my name up from time to time.



from this to this



Mentions Joey in his scum picks, explains, and STILL doesn't explain about why he's scummy of me.

Vote: WATT

His first reasoning for voting us is for a question I asked to see if Ryu's claim was serious and if he'd flounder when questioned which I'd already explained the motive for earlier in thread when asked, so he's shown he's not reading the interactions thoroughly. It feels like he's just picking a random quote from a hat and decides he isn't thrilled with it because it has "the wrong words to describe what the reaction should have still been". Then he feels it's necessary to take several paragraphs and the majority of his post to explain why he didn't think we were scummy before rationalizing our lynch as the one giving more information and voting us. He writes off his decision as entirely mechanical and beyond his control despite refuting most of Gheb's argument beforehand. He doesn't discuss what the information would have been or why it's more than the information a Ryu lynch would give, and I obviously disagree with the opinion in the first place, but the whole thing still reads like one big excuse to lynch one person in particular while at the same time trying to wash their hands of earlier opinions or being accountable for it. Unless someone finds a better candidate I think that's where my vote is going to be, I feel like there's a pretty good chance of flipping some kind of scum, and a slightly better chance of being connected to Ryu based on the stances shown.

Vote: Rockin


I'd also like to point out that villainizing Joey and Gorf for noticing his lack of contribution but not asking him direct questions is entirely BS and scummy. It's not other people's job to actively make a slot useful, that's the slot's job. They're not somehow scum for noticing without lowballing you questions to give content with, you're already supposed to be doing that. It's like saying a random employer is at fault for you not having a job because they saw you didn't have one and asked you why instead of giving you one on the spot without you asking. That's definitely still your fault.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Maaaaaaaan night kills like these suuuuuuuuuck. That Ranmaru result seems so random to me @_@



and you allowed it.

Despite what you said, you allowed it. You said before that you felt you didn't have to 'spoon feed me,' but if I was truly lost and had little to no way on how to contribute in this thread (let alone, just questions to answer in general), then of course I'm going to be spoon fed. When you don't do anything, that's what's going to happen. I've asked you...several times, to ask me questions if you had any. You didn't. All you did was sat in the background and acknowledged to the other players that I 'havn't done much' which (guess what? other people saw too, and at least done a bit of something about it).

You're also saying that my reasoning behind wanting to lynch WATT was crappy. Doesn't that mean all the other people that were pretty much on WATT before the ryu claim also jumped on for crappy reasons? Keep in mind part of why I jumped on WATT was in agreement with the reasoning of more info. The other part was on how Watt claimed. I don't like it, and I'm very skeptical on how he was fumbling around with it.

Vote: WATT



Ashemu, without information or a reason behind a lynch, you're either lynching just cause you want to, or you're lynching out of random. I rather avoid those type of options and avoid with reason. Every lynch holds some sort of information to talk about for the next day.



...wtf is wrong with you this game?

I do not understand the purpose behind the Rake votes. Macman, Gorf, can you explain plz?

@Rockin

@Underlined: Are you saying you also agreed with the points some of the other WATT wagoners had?

If not why are you still voting us now after a Ryu scumflip? The more info line of thought is gone, so what's the current vote for.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Ebwop-fro orbos pov. Unsure how dietz is reading him

Townlean, but I wouldn't go so far as to say obvtown.

WATT does your result make you feel that Gorf isn't scum at all now ? DIdn't you feel he was off yesterday or am i misremembering that

And i mean very specifically, do you think your result now COMPLETELY CLEARS gorf of any scumness, despite any previous feels you may have had if you had em

I'm inclined to trust my result. I don't remember personally having any off feelings of gorf but the fact he came up inno is enough for me.
I mean yeah sanities is possible but until proven otherwise will assume that my results are correct

He could still technically be Indy, but we have no reason not to trust the not mafia part So if the info you're being unneccessarily coy with implicates him as an indy: please freakin share.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

i dont think you can tell me that Rockin's so confident in his scum game that he sees his possible partner Ryu up for grabs, as well as you and goes "yeah imma do the scummy thing here and say i'm lynching WATT because more information", even if in his scum play he didn't perceive himself that way, or he's scum of a different order, I really don't see how after Rockin's absence and just the general feel of his early Day 1 (what little there was ) that he just slips ans gets lazy by saying "i'd rather lynch for mroe information" and the thing is, lynching because it garner's isn't even truly scummy, it may have anti town tendancies but that doesn't imply scum.

Sorry, forgot to add the wifomy point that I don't think right now that: Rockin as afk scum comes back to the game, sees his partner on the line and instead of staying afk, pushing Ryu or anything else, decides to say that he feels eh wants to lynch WATT because the slot garners the most info. That just seems like it'd be too much for Rockin to risk as scum seeing his buddy Ryu already being shipped out

Rake are you actively townreading Rockin right now (or have info on him)? If not I don't see shy you're defending him like this instead of letting him respond himself. We actually have something tangible to question Rockin about, let us have it.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

No I'm not Im just drilling you because I think Moria should go toDay

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm also not defending his actions I'm simply offering a logical counterexplanation to see what sort of conclusions your drawing about rockin and how legit i find your scum read. Also your bigger paragraph is interesting.

I should be clear, I wasn't seeing scum rockin doing the things I talked about but that doesn't mean im twon reading the guy, im just having troubel connecting the dots to a full fledged scum read

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I do agree though that its the slots on job to be active but that could also just be Rockin being a lazy ****

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Villianizing is an interesting word though.

Since your obviously pushin rockin scum, why do you think he butts heads with Joey in particular ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I don't want to undercut your Rockin bit too much but Moria just needs to go.

Vote : Moria