ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Ashemu]

if i was a vig i wouldve shot gheb last night

 

[No Lynch]

I am No Lynch, Non Lynchable city Zen.

 

[Ashemu]

dont even have it in me to fake a shot right now

zen, what makes watt's claim scum and not town with a dumb gambit? buddy!watt would've been better off claiming vt and just going hard, what actually happened would be a ****ty gambit, so that's out of the question. altscum would only CC with the intent to sac - if they legit thought ryu was scum they'd have safes too, and know not to directly cc. no matter what their alignment is, if they wanted ryu dead it makes the most sense to just claim cop, so the watcher fake is a null tell

i don't believe in two scumteams. perhaps three scum and an indie kidnapper, since ran is missing and not dead. alternately, it's 10:2:1, explaining why ryu thought there were multiple scumteams. 9:2:2 factional kidnap seems dumb though

 

[Ashemu]

ran is evidently f5ing the thread and sobbing because he cant post. he cant even like this, its so sad ;_;

ive thought about it and im down for a rake lynch too - the points about him not realistically following up his pressure are solid, and it's notable that he offered to watt to try and start some ryu pressure, but never did it in a way that would put ryu in danger (and never bothered to actually vote ryu at first), then when he does vote ryu it's framed as a pressure vote, not something committal. most likely to be a bus of all the ryu votes imo.

is it just me or is search broken?

 

[No Lynch]

Because neither Deitz or Orbo is dumb? But both are lazy as scum? I'll rhyme like Gheb, just give me some Rum?

WATT was going to be lynched yesterday. His only out was very much doing what he did. As he said himself:

Oh hey that happened.
So theres stuff I will explain tomorrow about why this happened the way it did. Trust me in that it was to get ryu lynched over us due to our belief he was scum

Like seriously if you're scum going to be lynched, WHY NOT counterclaim the only other viable lynch choice? Why die today, when you can die tomorrow and take +1 town with you??

I think Ruy's action's and flip very much does indicate that he was telling the truth about two factions. He said that "the mod messed up" so I assume he had a safe claim. If so, then the only reason WATT really is cop is if he is also scum. Either that or dh did just give ruy a ****ty claim lol. Furthermore, Gorf-WATT have both been individually scummy as hell. Furthermore, furthermore, Gorf's interaction with WATT is scummy as hell. Furthermorex3 Gheb's belief that both WATT and Ruy were scum before Ruy made the 2-scum team thing just fits right into it. I mentioned early Day 1 how you can't complete a puzzle without the pieces. Well we have pieces now, and I've already fitted them into place. Now I just need everyone else to see the picture.

This is what I'm thinking

Team A: Watcher - Mentor (or the like)
Team B: Watcher (cop?) - Janitor (or the like)

In a game of zombies, it makes sense that the zombies would have some form of conversion. A mentor-like role (recruiter with limitations) fits in with there being 2 teams. I think Gheb could have been a mentor and attempted to recruit Ran (the most obv town player) after Ruy died. I wasn't quite sure why janitor (gorf) would kill Gheb, but I think it has to do with this:

the guy will be dead soon enough. i'd rather try n find ruy's jan partner so that we could eventually see watt's flip and confirm the results that he will feed us. now tell me what the **** you want to do with toDay so we aren't wasting our god damn time.

If Gheb was lynched, the focus of the game would turn to the second scum faction. But if this didn't happen, then the focus could still be directed indefinitely on the other (Ruy's) scum team.

 

[No Lynch]

Search is broken. I was trying to use it to find your gun post earlier. I assumed you just used some hacker skill to keep people from searching for you on the internet. If my theory on WATT did somehow happen to be wrong, I agree that Rockin looks grimy from the end of the day. As it stands now, I'd lynch him > Rake.

 

[Ashemu]

tbh: gheb is town & was janned because he could not have shouted "dont believe investigative role claims guys, they might be lying to you, other people who claim to be investigators are NOT INSTANTLY TRUSTWORTHY" any louder if he tried and this has me reconsidering watt a lot more than crazy 9:2:2 with recruiter theories (which are pretty stupid)

 

[Ashemu]

alright well i actually do buy watt scum but im not gonna move my vote so that i can quickhammer him once he reaches l-1. bye

 

[Ashemu]

also if watt is scum then rake isnt a buddy i dont think

 

[No Lynch]

alright well i actually do buy watt scum but im not gonna move my vote so that i can quickhammer him once he reaches l-1. bye

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw I've been in two games where there were 2 factions on this site. One was a DH game. The other was an 8-3-2. It's not really unbalanced. Town is given a huge advantage because mafia has to play the prisoner's dilemma.

 

[Ashemu]

your theory is still implausible because:
- where the hell did the second kill go
- why is ran listed as "disappeared" and not "dead" if that was a suicide

also idk what dark horse thinks but janitors in multiball are awful design

 

[Rockin]

Maaaaaaaan night kills like these suuuuuuuuuck. That Ranmaru result seems so random to me @_@

The fact that the only thing Rockin has done this game is jump on me and Gorf for not hand feeding him content when we just want content, give fluff throughout all of Day 1 aside from posting for the CC scenario, and siding with WATT lynch for crap reasons (not liking WATT's post regarding Ryu's claim before WATT actually claimed himself (which was an obvious lead in into the watcher claim) + WATT's lynch giving more information than Ryu's) is enough for me to want him out along with him being the only slot I had problems with from yesterday that isn't WATT/Gord. I believe WATT's claim, so both of those are out of the window for me.

Vote: Rockin

and you allowed it.

Despite what you said, you allowed it. You said before that you felt you didn't have to 'spoon feed me,' but if I was truly lost and had little to no way on how to contribute in this thread (let alone, just questions to answer in general), then of course I'm going to be spoon fed. When you don't do anything, that's what's going to happen. I've asked you...several times, to ask me questions if you had any. You didn't. All you did was sat in the background and acknowledged to the other players that I 'havn't done much' which (guess what? other people saw too, and at least done a bit of something about it).

You're also saying that my reasoning behind wanting to lynch WATT was crappy. Doesn't that mean all the other people that were pretty much on WATT before the ryu claim also jumped on for crappy reasons? Keep in mind part of why I jumped on WATT was in agreement with the reasoning of more info. The other part was on how Watt claimed. I don't like it, and I'm very skeptical on how he was fumbling around with it.

Vote: WATT

rockin pushed watt while citing watt's flip "giving more information" as a reason. town lynches scum, not for info. how much info watt would give on flip is debatable and serves to provide fake justification for voting the counterwagon to flipped scum. when deciding between WATT and ryu he makes no effort to decide which had scummier playthroughout the day - his vote is entirely based on "info" and claim context

Ashemu, without information or a reason behind a lynch, you're either lynching just cause you want to, or you're lynching out of random. I rather avoid those type of options and avoid with reason. Every lynch holds some sort of information to talk about for the next day.

ashemu please shoot me, just do it please. i know you have a gun with all them crumbs

...wtf is wrong with you this game?

I do not understand the purpose behind the Rake votes. Macman, Gorf, can you explain plz?

 

[No Lynch]

Almost everything I do has purpose rockin, even if you don't see it.

@ Shun Goku Satsu Rake @Macman @-Masquerain- 4 outta 6. 2 more yo.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

ran is evidently f5ing the thread and sobbing because he cant post. he cant even like this, its so sad ;_;

ive thought about it and im down for a rake lynch too - the points about him not realistically following up his pressure are solid, and it's notable that he offered to watt to try and start some ryu pressure, but never did it in a way that would put ryu in danger (and never bothered to actually vote ryu at first), then when he does vote ryu it's framed as a pressure vote, not something committal. most likely to be a bus of all the ryu votes imo.

is it just me or is search broken?

except me voting him and all. and i kept asking ryu stuff that he clearly outright avoided because scum.
But please, choose poor lynch targets more.
And ewww why would i bus ryu, he was barely noteworthy and then i just decide to floop and create pressure on him because i see people mentioning him casually or something ? that makes no sense man, i coulda taken the joey bus and said it's regular ryu junk or just avoided it and let people take it as ryu null tells, or just made excuses for him and then gone over to the arguably easier and tastier WATT lynch.

Cmon man

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Kinda feeling Gorf needs more light today

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

WATT scum right now only adds up if he's scum with Gorf or individually scummy. I dont see him and ryu coming up with a bus a needlessly long and arbitrary like their interactions read toi me

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And NL seems to be selling WATT + Gorf which I gusta

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Gorf is not mafia, so no one needs to trip on him today (c wut I did thar).

Gonna have to touch base with Orbo on these half-flips though, if Gheb was a partner to Ryu I don't want to hang other people for the same rap prematurely.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

@WATT why did you choose Gorf over say Ashemu or No Lynch ?

 

[Rockin]

Oh, and since nobody asked

WATT, did you even investigated anyone last night? If you did, then who?

 

[Rockin]

Oh, and since nobody asked

WATT, did you even investigated anyone last night? If you did, then who?

pfft haha, disregard this one. It was actually mentioned (and someone did mention it). I need to skim less XD

 

[Circus]

Oh, and since nobody asked

WATT, did you even investigated anyone last night? If you did, then who?

...

Read the thread, Rockin.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Reading.
@ Rockin -get ninjad

 

[Circus]

ninja'd

I'm comin' around on the not lynching WATT thing toDay. Even if he's scum, he's got to stick to his claim for the rest of the game. Best case scenario: he's town and we play a game of chicken with scum, all the while getting eventually reliable information from him. Worst case scenario: he's scum and we just lynch him later. I find it hard to believe some of the choices he's made come from a town mindset, but there's more scum to find regardless.

 

[Circus]

except me voting him and all. and i kept asking ryu stuff that he clearly outright avoided because scum.
But please, choose poor lynch targets more.
And ewww why would i bus ryu, he was barely noteworthy and then i just decide to floop and create pressure on him because i see people mentioning him casually or something ? that makes no sense man, i coulda taken the joey bus and said it's regular ryu junk or just avoided it and let people take it as ryu null tells, or just made excuses for him and then gone over to the arguably easier and tastier WATT lynch.

Cmon man

"I coulda taken the joey bus?"

I need to reread the end of D1.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Hello sexual deviants, seems we are back for another glorious day-phase.



You should go into this if you have info.

Don't like the Rockin vote, more than willing to jump back onto WATT so let's go that way for now. Biting my lip on Rake because I remember him being one of the first pushers on Ryu and need to re-look at that interaction, for now, meh to that push.

Vote: Sexy Officer

rake actually didn't start that ryu push. Felt ryu off from my quick glances and went with it assuming rake had noticed similar. Dietz felt a lot more strongly on it when he read through solidly and I backed him up when we did what we did.

gorf are you kidding me, there's nothing believable about watt. there was no reason for him to lie about his claim in the first place

watcher and cop can coexist under the right circumstances. Ergo watcher cc more forcefully to the point.

Might make sense that he had a confident read if he had you know been reading any of the game. It would also make sense if he just claimed cop in the first place. It would have had the same affect. He only retracted it after ruy claimed scum and two scum teams.

See above. No reason to keep on a watcher claim pattern when it had gotten me the lynch we wanted. Plus the switchback kept me alive through today at least and I got an investigate through. Smarter play for long term even if it keeps me under pressure was how I handled it if I wanted to live past last night at all.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

ninja'd

I'm comin' around on the not lynching WATT thing toDay. Even if he's scum, he's got to stick to his claim for the rest of the game. Best case scenario: he's town and we play a game of chicken with scum, all the while getting eventually reliable information from him. Worst case scenario: he's scum and we just lynch him later. I find it hard to believe some of the choices he's made come from a town mindset, but there's more scum to find regardless.

I like this

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Because neither Deitz or Orbo is dumb? But both are lazy as scum? I'll rhyme like Gheb, just give me some Rum?

WATT was going to be lynched yesterday. His only out was very much doing what he did. As he said himself:


Like seriously if you're scum going to be lynched, WHY NOT counterclaim the only other viable lynch choice? Why die today, when you can die tomorrow and take +1 town with you??

I think Ruy's action's and flip very much does indicate that he was telling the truth about two factions. He said that "the mod messed up" so I assume he had a safe claim. If so, then the only reason WATT really is cop is if he is also scum. Either that or dh did just give ruy a ****ty claim lol. Furthermore, Gorf-WATT have both been individually scummy as hell. Furthermore, furthermore, Gorf's interaction with WATT is scummy as hell. Furthermorex3 Gheb's belief that both WATT and Ruy were scum before Ruy made the 2-scum team thing just fits right into it. I mentioned early Day 1 how you can't complete a puzzle without the pieces. Well we have pieces now, and I've already fitted them into place. Now I just need everyone else to see the picture.

This is what I'm thinking

Team A: Watcher - Mentor (or the like)
Team B: Watcher (cop?) - Janitor (or the like)

In a game of zombies, it makes sense that the zombies would have some form of conversion. A mentor-like role (recruiter with limitations) fits in with there being 2 teams. I think Gheb could have been a mentor and attempted to recruit Ran (the most obv town player) after Ruy died. I wasn't quite sure why janitor (gorf) would kill Gheb, but I think it has to do with this:
If Gheb was lynched, the focus of the game would turn to the second scum faction. But if this didn't happen, then the focus could still be directed indefinitely on the other (Ruy's) scum team.

This is grossly attempting to force facts in there even after you yourself said that you thought it was likely an abductor. Then you try to shoehorn gorf into it? Give us more credit than that soup.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

"I coulda taken the joey bus?"

I need to reread the end of D1.

i meant the bus in the sense of joey was selling the idea of it being regular Ryu play and most people were kinda like : well thjats weird joey and thought he was all scummy and such, so the joey bus coulda been jumping down his throat or siding with him (if you believe Ashemu's sort of implication that im scum with ryu) and just written off the ryu disparity to the best of my opinion by riding joeys opinion

 

[Wots All This Then?]

@WATT why did you choose Gorf over say Ashemu or No Lynch ?

Ashemu obvtown fopov and soup at least will likely make himself more obvious over a longer period of time than gorf will as either alignment. Gorf is a great n1 cop due t how he pkays and how it cones off.o

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

i think the crux of the joey scum thing was his agression mixed with his non commital or something like that ? Point is there were easier paths for me to take then purposely walking around ryu or dancing around him as AShemu's implying if i were scum and especially if i was scum with ryu

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Circus is likely not scum. Don't see scumcircus coming off. Me when he could bite hard and get that cop ml

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Ashemu obvtown fopov and soup at least will likely make himself more obvious over a longer period of time than gorf will as either alignment. Gorf is a great n1 cop due t how he pkays and how it cones off.o

Ebwop-fro orbos pov. Unsure how dietz is reading him

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

WATT does your result make you feel that Gorf isn't scum at all now ? DIdn't you feel he was off yesterday or am i misremembering that

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And i mean very specifically, do you think your result now COMPLETELY CLEARS gorf of any scumness, despite any previous feels you may have had if you had em

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Circus is likely not scum. Don't see scumcircus coming off. Me when he could bite hard and get that cop ml

who is scum then ?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm inclined to trust my result. I don't remember personally having any off feelings of gorf but the fact he came up inno is enough for me.
I mean yeah sanities is possible but until proven otherwise will assume that my results are correct

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Fair enough

 

[Wots All This Then?]

who is scum then ?

Nl is off to me. Need to sort through the pile of other players but moira and rockin are specifically people I want to look into