ZGD: Livin by a thread.

[Alacion]

It's because this place is sooooo much better. c:

Maybe I should just troll dat FB page and say that Melee and PM are garbage compared to Brawl and Sm4sh and see their reactions, Aleate. :333

Dunno if you have met Jason but he went overboard with it and the Melee people gave him the silent treatment for a while.

 

[SBphiloz4]

That Jason Seen dude, was it? Well, I wouldn't go THAT overboard, I suppose. I'm not too much of a troll kinda person either, haha.

 

[Fluttershy]

I'm more of a troll but i won't go overboard on the same person or group of people. and i went on the page just to see what i can view..

 

[Alacion]

I'm serious most of the time.

May have found a main but I need more practise before finally deciding

 

[Fluttershy]

What character are you testing out?

 

[Alacion]

What character are you testing out?

@ SBphiloz4 's favourite character.

People have been telling me to main it for years.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Oh boy. If you mean /favourite/, then I don't know if I should be excited to face you again, haha.

On another note, add Rosalina to that "list of favourite characters" I have. By the galaxies, she's real cheap at times, lol. Even without Luma, it's a struggle for me to even do anything on her.

 

[Alacion]

No worries I'm aggressive and only picked him up yesterday.

 

[Fluttershy]

I'm guessing ?

 

[SBphiloz4]

I think I have a good idea on who it is, haha. Well, this will be a chance to actually learn the MU then. Hopefully the fooling around with the character pays off!

 

[Fluttershy]

let's see it's a male..
Is it one of these characters CF, Bowser, Yoshi, Link. Tink, Bowser Jr., Ganon, Villager, Robin, Mega Man, Fox, Falco, Luigi, Marth, Ike, Lil Mac, Charizard, Pikachu, Pit, Dark Pit, Donkey Kong, Diddy, Dr mario, Greninja, King Dedede, Kirby, Meta Knight, Ness, Olimar/Alph, Pacman, Shulk, Sonic, or Wario

 

[Alacion]

Haha, no but I find Ganon immensely fun and SBphiloz4's Ganon is scary stuff. It's Lucario. I realize he really isn't that great a character without aura and let's face it... If you're playing bad you are going to lose. Aside from Nova Scotia <3 a relatively unknown but good region, Lucario doesn't place in any tournaments and I don't know any top player that plays him.

Custom Lucario is scary though but at this point in time I think customs will not really make it because it will be extremely hard to have all setups have all customs.

Also http://i.imgur.com/LpKZekA.jpg

 

[KayLo!]

let's see it's a male..
Is it one of these characters CF, Bowser, Yoshi, Link. Tink, Bowser Jr., Ganon, Villager, Robin, Mega Man, Fox, Falco, Luigi, Marth, Ike, Lil Mac, Charizard, Pikachu, Pit, Dark Pit, Donkey Kong, Diddy, Dr mario, Greninja, King Dedede, Kirby, Meta Knight, Ness, Olimar/Alph, Pacman, Shulk, Sonic, or Wario

Could've been WFT too, you can't forget about buff body Tom.

 

[Fluttershy]

I didn't count characters that had both genders

Ah lucario.. though that rage and aura is going to be a pain to deal with Fighting against him.. and lol i seem to have forgotten him in the list..

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Lucario can go fall down some stairs. And can bring yoshi with him. Most brain dead characters I've ever seen.

 

[SBphiloz4]

I loved Yoshi before because he actually required effort to work out. Now he's a brain dead character that wins even if you play bad and it's awful. Of course, I will respect those who actually make Lucario/Yoshi/ZSS work WITHOUT going full ****** with rolling and smash spamming. But For Glory players lol.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Lucario can go fall down some stairs. And can bring yoshi with him. Most brain dead characters I've ever seen.

down with rollycario and freeoshi. :v

especially freeoshi, who knew back surgery could make you high tier do easily lol.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Dr. Mario's back surgery proved to be so good, he was promoted to join the roster by Yoshi lol.

 

[Alacion]

Lucario is the new Zelda. Hope opponent approaches, spam smash attacks.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Lucario is the new Zelda. Hope opponent approaches, spam smash attacks.

Well, unlike Zelda, he also has a good projectile in Aura Sphere and maybe Force Palm. He also has an amazing recovery. Oh, and a good ground game with tilts. And a very solid air game. And great kill moves. And better mobility. And better matchups. Alongside with those good ol' smash attacks.

Other than that, they are preeeetty much the same, right?

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Lucario is the new Zelda. Hope opponent approaches, spam smash attacks.

rollycario only wishes he could be as hardcore as Zelda , she limits herself to give others a chance.

 

[Alacion]

If Lucario fell down some stairs, he would be even more deadly

 

[Captain Zack]

Lucario can go fall down some stairs. And can bring yoshi with him. Most brain dead characters I've ever seen.

and have olimar follow them xd.

btw hi ed wtf

 

[SBphiloz4]

Teaser for my upcoming Zelda Sm4sh compilation.

... Well, not really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjvOUAXk0c&feature=youtu.be

 

[Fluttershy]

Teaser for my upcoming Zelda Sm4sh compilation.

... Well, not really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjvOUAXk0c&feature=youtu.be

I didn't know Zelda impersonated Shulk as well

 

[Alacion]

Ed, have you had the chance to play Myran? What's your opinion on [the campiest and only] Olimar? He told me the Zelda/Olimar MU seems pretty even especially since you can reflect his most important move, fsmash. It seems out of all the chars I play, custom DK has the easiest time against him. Ironic since this was DK's worst MU in Brawl.

He's the reason why I don't think Olimar is complete trash.


Since I'm playing Lucario, I should learn other characters that instill fear into the opponent

 

[JigglyZelda003]

you can reflect fsmash? That's like the best thing ever, I was feeling olimar was still going to be bad.

 

[SBphiloz4]

I figured about the F-smash being reflectable weeks ago by accident in For Glory. It gave me hope that we might actually have a good MU for once.

I met this one really good Jigglypuff online too. Spacing was brilliant, and I got bodied so bad lol.

 

[Rizen]

According to the Olimar forums, all his smashes, purple pikmin and all pikmin in one of the custom specials are reflectable.

 

[Fluttershy]

Good Good more good MUs For Lady Palutena

 

[Alacion]

Still though, even with a reflector Zelda WILL be the one approaching and you can't spam Nayru's all day.

You're still going to take lots of chip plus Moniques will drive you insane since they actually KB.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

the only nice thing about the Olimar matchup now is that there are 3 less pikmin to deal with at a time...but now we can't SHNair them away while making an approach due to LAG. ggs Sakurai on making a weak move lag like its Falcon Punch...

 

[SBphiloz4]

It's still baffling that we still have to do the approaching against some opponents because we can't camp as well as other characters, yet our approach game is like one of the worst. Ever.

Kinda unfortunate that against most characters, we can't play Zelda's optimal game, and even if that chance arises, the opponent can still find many holes to go through and punish. Unfortunate, but hey, we used Zelda for a reason.

 

[Alacion]

Man I must be super sadistic, but I love female Robin's Japanese welps x_x

 

[SBphiloz4]

Everything about Miyuki Sawashiro ( her Japanese voice actress) is perfect, honestly. c:

Patch 1.04 for Sm4sh is out! Wonder who will get the nerf hammer now.

 

[Alacion]

Only known change is that utilt does 7% from 6%. She's gonna be top tier now!

Just tested this in regular Smash. First utilt did 7%, next brought the CPU to 15%.

In training mode, comparing to @ BJN39 's thread:

Re: Smash attacks, I did my best to not charge any smash attacks. Can't guarantee this though.

10 utilt = 72%, 20 utilt = 143%, 25 utilt = 179%. Just under 7.2% per hit.
Jab: unchanged
Ftilt: unchanged
Dtilt: 20 dtilt = 90%. Approximately 4.5% per hit.
Dash attack: unchanged, didn't test the late sour spot.
Fsmash: 5 hits = 87%, 7hits = 121% Just under 17.3% per hit.
Dsmash: Forward 10hits = 121%, ~12.1%, Behind 10 hits: 101% tested this twice, extra 1% happened same time, approximately 10.1%
Usmash: 5 hits, 78%. Combo meter, 8 hits every upsmash. Approximately 15.6%.
Nair: Gave up on this. Seems unchanged.
F/bair: unchanged
Dair: unchanged
Uair: unchanged
Pummel: unchanged
Fthrow: unchanged
Bthrow: unchanged
Dthrow: unchanged

 

[Fluttershy]

Palutena's Warp Cancels and the LW bug/gimmick is still in..

 

[SBphiloz4]

LOL dat Olimar F-smash range. Wow.

Might just be extremely pessimistic, but until we all have further testing with this new patch, I now think Zelda may be bottom 5 instead of bottom 10. :/

 

[Fluttershy]

I think I'm getting better against CF lol

also a change with Rosaluma that i noticed. Clashing with her Dash gives her some bad lag that lasts around a second. (can't IASA)

 

[BJN39]

Only known change is that utilt does 7% from 6%. She's gonna be top tier now!

Just tested this in regular Smash. First utilt did 7%, next brought the CPU to 15%.

In training mode, comparing to @ BJN39 's thread:

Re: Smash attacks, I did my best to not charge any smash attacks. Can't guarantee this though.

10 utilt = 72%, 20 utilt = 143%, 25 utilt = 179%. Just under 7.2% per hit.
Jab: unchanged
Ftilt: unchanged
Dtilt: 20 dtilt = 90%. Approximately 4.5% per hit.
Dash attack: unchanged, didn't test the late sour spot.
Fsmash: 5 hits = 87%, 7hits = 121% Just under 17.3% per hit.
Dsmash: Forward 10hits = 121%, ~12.1%, Behind 10 hits: 101% tested this twice, extra 1% happened same time, approximately 10.1%
Usmash: 5 hits, 78%. Combo meter, 8 hits every upsmash. Approximately 15.6%.
Nair: Gave up on this. Seems unchanged.
F/bair: unchanged
Dair: unchanged
Uair: unchanged
Pummel: unchanged
Fthrow: unchanged
Bthrow: unchanged
Dthrow: unchanged

Nice werk, I wenT through her moves myself and compared the data to my thread and compiled the changes I found in 1.0.4. You can find them detailed in one of the most recent posts on mah thread.

In short, Utlit +1% and insignificantly increased KB as a consequence, Jab received super insignificant KB increase, and Pivot grab lost a slight amount of range. Everything else appears to be the same, aside from her run speed and Din's hit-box, which need testing, but both may be better.

So yeah. Pretty much nothing different... >_>

Oh yeah, according to Aero, Zelda's usmash's hits 5-7's numbers are like 0.8039%. Which is really weird...