Zelda's New Transformation???

[Zelda_Sheik]

I hope that tomorrow December 25th, 2007 we will finally see a GOOD update of Zelda or something very INTERESTING. It have been 6 months without an update of her.

 

[Black/Light]

well....when kirby sucks in zelda his outfit doesn't change its the same as melee.
another hint.
but whatever.
that convinced me
sheiks back.

Kriby=/=Zelda. For the most part his hats have not changed and are only there to symbolize that he sucked up someone but w/e. . .

 

[Stiputation]

Its just annoying that the Zelda mainers have to go through this in my opinion. In Melee, we got stuck with a lame *** gimmick that totally overshadowed Zelda. When I want to main Zelda, I want to flecking main Zelda, not some want to be ninja that has a problem on which gender it wants to become.

Now in Brawl, we can't even get a ****ed update. Not only that, but the question still remians if that honked up gimmick of a character will still be attached to her hip. Plus, why does it have to be Zelda that dosen't get an update? Ohhhhh, no one can say we haven't been through alot.

 

[joeysmash]

NO Shiek plz... zekda be by herself please

 

[Zelda_Sheik]

Yes we have passed through a lot. This waiting is f***ing killing me. It is so big that it always make me cry :'(.
I'm gonna kill Sakurai and all of the crew and I'm going to be in charge of Zelda lol. Sheik if you are the reason of all of this, I hope that you are gone ! Enough drama.
P.D: Merry Christmas to all of u ! :D

 

[-spAzn-]

Wow half a year without a Zelda update this is pure torture I tell you. See what Sheik does to Zelda first overshadowed her now preventing her from getting a update. Man I just want to know if Zelda is her own character is that really to much to ask for? When we finally see an update for Zelda I hope it says "oh btw Sheik is no longer apart of Zelda she's been AT'd." Boy would that anger Sheik users. I guess separating her would be a nicer thing to do but whatever.

 

[Zelda_Sheik]

Hahaha. That will be a nice one to watch. Sheik followers will die hahaha.

 

[Demontree]

I am not going to play as Zelda but, if you look a few secs before the end, like right on the end on the right side of the stage you see the swirl of colors that appear when Zelda transformed in melee, and if you pause or just see the little glimpse the figure does sort of look like shiek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9COeW9Wmxs

 

[courte]

stop whining, to those who are whining

 

[Black/Light]

stop whining, to those who are whining

Stop telling those who are complaning to stop complaning

And that vid shows no Sheik. . .

 

[courte]

you stop... wait nvm you're rught--rather than get caught up in a stupid fight i should just not return and wait until feb 10

i know what i said jan 24 is a spoiler

 

[Earthbenderjump5]

Kriby=/=Zelda. For the most part his hats have not changed and are only there to symbolize that he sucked up someone but w/e. . .

no, he still has the kid zelda hood from OoT. and his moves haven't changed it looks like he still has that crystal thing. i forget the name of it.
looks to me that they didn't change zeldas moves but gave her more speed and everything. and they buffed the ones she had before.

 

[Illyasvel]

I am not going to play as Zelda but, if you look a few secs before the end, like right on the end on the right side of the stage you see the swirl of colors that appear when Zelda transformed in melee, and if you pause or just see the little glimpse the figure does sort of look like shiek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9COeW9Wmxs

Had a thread like that already, tells nothing. As I'm sure you may have noticed already, many Zelda animations have changed *Hello Din's Fire*

 

[Earthbenderjump5]

yeah. but if kirby sucks her up and has the same stuff from OoT like the zelda from that was in melee. it means she should be sheik or something never mind.

 

[Stiputation]

Mkay.
Zelda's hat = Young Zelda's hat
Zelda's hat =/= OOT's hat.

Theres no reason to change a hat if it doesn't have a connection to OOT. The pro-Sheik-tards are just using this excuse to try to convince other people or themselves that this may be a reason that Sheik is in when it clearly isn't.

 

[RyuDragonKing]

... Sorry, could you repeat that? No offence meant, but that didn't make much sense. It sounds like you're implying that young Zelda's hat wasn't from OOT...

Note: I am neither pro nor anti-Shiek, so this isn't a mocking post.

 

[Luthien]

Mkay.
Zelda's hat = Young Zelda's hat
Zelda's hat =/= OOT's hat.

Theres no reason to change a hat if it doesn't have a connection to OOT. The pro-Sheik-tards are just using this excuse to try to convince other people or themselves that this may be a reason that Sheik is in when it clearly isn't.

So you're saying that Zelda could've worn that hat when she was a kid in TP too? Never thought of it that way.

Wait, isn't that the same logic the people who argue "Zelda could've transformed into Sheik in TP, because she was wearing the cloak" use? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Sheik-for-Brawl person (I'm actually kind of neutral, to be honest), I just think this could start a whole new arguement.

If I'm totally misinterpriting (Gah, SP?!) please let me know.

 

[debaser]

I see Sheik and Zelda as two entirely separate characters in Melee. The fact that Zelda can transform is merely a gimmick. I enjoy playing as both and would be glad to see Sheik return to Brawl.

 

[Soluble Toast]

So you're saying that Zelda could've worn that hat when she was a kid in TP too? Never thought of it that way.

Wait, isn't that the same logic the people who argue "Zelda could've transformed into Sheik in TP, because she was wearing the cloak" use? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Sheik-for-Brawl person (I'm actually kind of neutral, to be honest), I just think this could start a whole new arguement.

If I'm totally misinterpriting (Gah, SP?!) please let me know.

Yes, it's basically the same logic. I don't agree with either.

We've seen various Young Zelda's throughout the Zelda series, but we've only seen one Zelda wear THAT headdress. It definitely represents OOT Zelda.
I still think that a hat does not confirm Sheik in any way, shape, or form. There's a difference between wearing your ancestors headdress, and actually transforming into your ancestor.

 

[Black/Light]

no, he still has the kid zelda hood from OoT. and his moves haven't changed it looks like he still has that crystal thing. i forget the name of it.
looks to me that they didn't change zeldas moves but gave her more speed and everything. and they buffed the ones she had before.

. . .I do't think you got the what I mean't.

Kriby hats=symbolization of w/e character he sucked up. Theres no reason to change his hat from melee just cause the characters he sucks up looks different. They choose that hat for melee and it came into brawl.

 

[Luthien]

. . .I do't think you got the what I mean't.

Kriby hats=symbolization of w/e character he sucked up. Theres no reason to change his hat from melee just cause the characters he sucks up looks different. They choose that hat for melee and it came into brawl.

Yes, that in itself is correct, but the fact that they changed some other character's hats is what throws a wrench into everything. When he changed some peoples, but not Zelda's (especially when he could have; it wouldn't have been so hard to give Kirby a wig and a tiara thingy), this left the implication that everything ELSE stayed the same too. Of course, I think some people are reading WAY too far into it, but with such few hints Sakurai is giving us, we're taking whatever crumbs we can get and turn them into meals.

 

[Iris]

I think the Kirby hat confirms that he steals the same move as before, which is a standard special, Nayru's love. They wouldn't change one part of the copy ability and not the other. The wouldn't reuse the hat to make it familiar and then add an unfamiliar move.

As for it being the headdress from OoT, it's not there to represent OoT, just Zelda. Link's hat with improved designs is still universally seen as Link, as is Peach and Mario's. Zelda doesn't have a consistent hat, so why not use the same one as before? They're still equally recognizable with the character (you wouldn't understand the relation in either Melee or Brawl unless you played OoT).

My only confusion is why they wouldn't just use a circlet in the first place, something which IS consistent with adult Zelda, in both OoT and TP. Silly not to use when it's always a piece of apparel that Zelda's wearing. Maybe a headdress is just more noticable and unique on Kirby.

 

[Luthien]

I think the Kirby hat confirms that he steals the same move as before, which is a standard special, Nayru's love. They wouldn't change one part of the copy ability and not the other. The wouldn't reuse the hat to make it familiar and then add an unfamiliar move.

As for it being the headdress from OoT, it's not there to represent OoT, just Zelda. Link's hat with improved designs is still universally seen as Link, as is Peach and Mario's. Zelda doesn't have a consistent hat, so why not use the same one as before? They're still equally recognizable with the character (you wouldn't understand the relation in either Melee or Brawl unless you played OoT).

My only confusion is why they wouldn't just use a circlet in the first place, something which IS consistent with adult Zelda, in both OoT and TP. Silly not to use when it's always a piece of apparel that Zelda's wearing. Maybe a headdress is just more noticable and unique on Kirby.

Oh my gosh!! What if that isn't Zelda's hat, but a SPOILER!! What if YOUNG ZELDA IS A SECRET CHARACTER?!

If you think I'm serious...

Anyway, I'm just as confused as you are. If they could make Peach's crown noticable, they can make Zelda's circlet noticable (extra shine, anyone?). However, I don't see why they can't use a different move with the same hat. That would only apply if, as you pointed out, Zelda had a consistant hat. I'm just saying, if they used a different hat, would that mean they would have to use a different move? Do I even know what I'm talking about?

Would it make sense? Not much. Could they do it (and get away with it)? Yes.

 

[Earthbenderjump5]

yeah, yall make it sound more sesnable that i did.
and im no sheik person either.
but i'd like her in.

 

[blink777]

Anyone else think that they gave Kirby Young Zelda's OoT headdress simply because he looks freaking adorable in it?

I think this last debate is really showing how the complete lack of Zelda info has had a terribly negative effect on our sanity...

 

[RyokoYaksa]

I think the Kirby hat confirms that he steals the same move as before, which is a standard special, Nayru's love. They wouldn't change one part of the copy ability and not the other. The wouldn't reuse the hat to make it familiar and then add an unfamiliar move.

Ness's PK Flash? Jigglypuff's Rollout? Link's Arrow?

 

[blink777]

Ness's PK Flash? Jigglypuff's Rollout? Link's Arrow?

I believe he meant that hats like those were tied very closely to the character and there wouldn't be much else to pick from. Zelda, on the other hand, has many other hat possibilities that could reflect a change in the moveset.

... Not that I agree with the argument on the whole.

 

[Drake3]

They wouldn't change one part of the copy ability and not the other. The wouldn't reuse the hat to make it familiar and then add an unfamiliar move.

Fan-made rules bad. While I do agree, it's more that I can't picture that using Light Arrows. It would only screw up the already screwed up. Not that any of it makes any sense anyway.

The headdress definitely gives me a feeling that Sheik will return, which is depressing because it would seem that Sakurai has delayed her update for half a year without any reason to. But I guess if I were a developer and one of my visions failed the first time, I would like to try and make it work the second time? Still, Boo Sheik!

 

[Iris]

I believe he meant that hats like those were tied very closely to the character and there wouldn't be much else to pick from. Zelda, on the other hand, has many other hat possibilities that could reflect a change in the moveset.

... Not that I agree with the argument on the whole.

She*

I was trying to say that the hats are clear representations of the person copied except for Zelda. Maybe they kept it because its cute, maybe they didn't change it because a circlet would look too similar to Pit's laurel, but it's irrational for them to have kept it when ZeldaKirby isn't copying the same move, especially when there's many new hats to choose from if they wanted to convey change.

 

[Luthien]

She*

I was trying to say that the hats are clear representations of the person copied except for Zelda. Maybe they kept it because its cute, maybe they didn't change it because a circlet would look too similar to Pit's laurel, but it's irrational for them to have kept it when ZeldaKirby isn't copying the same move, especially when there's many new hats to choose from if they wanted to convey change.

Yes, that is the key: CONVEY change. We're digging way too far into this; it's a video game, not To Kill a Mockingbird. Not every little thing matters. Of course, considering this is all we have to work with...

At any rate, what you're saying is right, and what Drake/Blink are saying is right too. While we are interpriting 'the message of the hat', it does IMPLY that Zelda's neutral-b would remain the same. However, that is only an implication, and therefore is not certain. Either there are two different arguements going on right now, or there isn't an arguement occuring at all. I think.

"She*" Lol. Sorry, I thought I sensed an eye twitching.

 

[Ryudo_Sama]

Anyone else think that they gave Kirby Young Zelda's OoT headdress simply because he looks freaking adorable in it?

I think this last debate is really showing how the complete lack of Zelda info has had a terribly negative effect on our sanity...

Yeah,, I completely agree with you. I say he just has it to look adorable.

 

[blink777]

She*

Sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry. I didn't think to go back and actually check who posted, I just remember the argument you made .

 

[Stiputation]

Another side of the argument is that the headress that Kirby is rocking is that it is the staple of Zelda throughout the smash series.

Regardless of change, like I've pointed out before, none of the headthingies changed drastically as to not give an indication of which character Kirby is representing. Even though Link's changed somewhat it wouldn't be as huge as a circlet change for Zelda. You were easily able to not identify the hat because it represents OOT, but because it represents Zelda as a whole in smash even if her moveset was changed.

We're looking way to far into this my Zelda family =)

 

[Luthien]

We're looking way to far into this my Zelda family =)

Exactly my point. So, everyone... can we stop talking about it now? The arguements are only going in circles (as usual).

 

[jakemcnugget]

either work on sheik's look or leave her out. assist trophy/any other use for sheik would be THE worst idea for brawl.

id prefer giving zelda a transformation, i mean character's looks are worked on all the time, no?

 

[Pokec]

if Sheik were to be used as an AT, then why would they consider character designs? Couldnt they just use the OoT version?

 

[Iris]

Uh, no, not unless they wanted an AT with terrible graphics for their new shiny game. They need the designs for ATs too because they can't be look all last-gen and the generation before that on a next-gen system. It uggs up the game, and unless they're totally retro and have limited desisn (Excitebike) then they can't pull off poorly made models without people being angered by the lack of fitting graphics. If people are POed with the current look of the returning pokemon, imagine how they'll feel seeing N64/GCN polygons in their smooth Smash Bros world.

 

[Stiputation]

I agree with Iris.
Sheik can be updated in a TP designed form AND be an AT at the same time.

It isn't confirmed that Sheik will be a playable character at all. But the new designs could be used for making her a pretty AT!

 

[Arean]

yeah. designs could help of course... just look at waluigi... he has a brawl look and yet he is an assistant trophy, also look at saki and grey fox... they are just assistant trophies and yet they are very brawly in design. Im disappointed that stafy is a AT now... AND he can be wacked off the stage... poor thing

 

[Drake3]

if Sheik were to be used as an AT, then why would they consider character designs? Couldnt they just use the OoT version?

I think you're assuming these character designs will be dramatic changes to reflect TP. While that could be true, it's also possible that they're just updating her OoT spandex with more details like they did to the Melee stages.