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Kofu

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I miss :gw: BAir. Much more damage and less landing lag. I also miss his DTilt, as fun as his new one is.
 
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Berserker.

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Soul.

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Brawl gets an optimized netplay codeset? lel.
That competitive thread is so boring
 
Lavani

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I guess I'm not religiously offended by the reddit list for once

but Fox #13 and Link in A- above the Pits says things to me

The customs list is particularly laughable though, considering characters like Ike and WFT actually dropped with customs on (well, they both went up in # technically, but Ike dropped a tier and WFT stayed where she was)
 
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Soul.

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Is there a Fire Emblem character that is good in this game? Lmao, seeing them all 4 in bottom tier is funny.
There's this guy that thinks Falcon sucks.
 
S.F.L.R_9

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Ike isn't the best, but he improves a lot with his customs. What's ridiculous is that he's 41st on the tier list without customs, but 38th on the custom list. His customs improve him so much but his position barely changes. Custom WFT's placement bothers me too. I've played @ Macchiato Macchiato 's custom WFT a lot and there's no way she can be that low or drop with customs on.
Soul. said:
Is there a Fire Emblem character that is good in this game? Lmao, seeing them all 4 in bottom tier is funny.
There's this guy that thinks Falcon sucks.
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Robin is pretty good, but I don't think his/her full potential has been shown yet by someone who's dedicated to maining them and figuring out everything he/she can do. Is the person who thinks Falcon sucks from the Rosalina MU thread? :^)
 
Berserker.

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Alright fine, I'll be picky about it. Only about the customs-off though

Rosalina at top 3?
Yoshi at top 10?
Falcon at top 10 (I think he's top 20)?
Villager not being top 25?
Mario not top 10?
FOX NOT TOP 3?
Pacman at top 15?
Bowser at mid?
Lucario at top 20?
Peach at top 20 and not top 15?
Pits below Link?
Link at the same tier as Shulk and ROB?
Mii Brawler not at bottom?
MK not at top 15?

lmao

Alright, I'm done.
 
evmaxy54

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On my way home from Muhlee!

Came 5th in Singles going Zelda/Sheik & came 3rd in Doubles with Zelda/Sheik & Peach

Not bad for my last day of being a teenager :)
 
Lavani

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I could see Falcon on the lower end of top 10 tbh

His mix of hitboxes, speed, and power is rather potent, but he still has that Melee vibe of "worst best character" going on.

He's #11 on my list right now though
 
Soul.

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S.F.L.R_9 said:
Ike isn't the best, but he improves a lot with his customs. What's ridiculous is that he's 41st on the tier list without customs, but 38th on the custom list. His customs improve him so much but his position barely changes. Custom WFT's placement bothers me too. I've played @ Macchiato Macchiato 's custom WFT a lot and there's no way she can be that low or drop with customs on.

Robin is pretty good, but I don't think his/her full potential has been shown yet by someone who's dedicated to maining them and figuring out everything he/she can do. Is the person who thinks Falcon sucks from the Rosalina MU thread? :^)
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I dunno. Robin seems decent to me but that running speed.... the character's speed is so bad they rely on Thunder to approach. I've heard lots of good things about Thunder+ and Speed Thunder; their other customs are ****, so to speak. Do they even have landing options? Up B doesn't seem safe to me.
also lol its the unpopular opinions thread
 
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Soul. said:
I dunno. Robin seems decent to me but that running speed.... the character's speed is so bad they rely on Thunder to approach. I've heard lots of good things about Thunder+ and Speed Thunder; their other customs are ****, so to speak. Do they even have landing options? Up B doesn't seem safe to me.
also lol its the unpopular opinions thread
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Robin has a lot better aerial movement so it's better to use that but mix it up with ground movement so you don't become predictable. Take a look at Trela (the only solo Robin main I know,) he makes Robin seem pretty fast by using her aerial movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-YPGjtfPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WDps4yuEGk

And no, not many landing options, but you can do a b-reverse air dodge cancelled Thunder to escape a lot of attacks when landing. Btw, not all of Robins customs are bad. Fire Wall is really good at stopping approaches or being an up close option. You can also use Fire Wall in the air to come down since it goes straight down in front of him/her
 
Lavani

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Soul. said:
I've heard lots of good things about Thunder+ and Speed Thunder; their other customs are ****, so to speak.
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Thunder+ is pretty awful imo, it takes years to charge and it uses the entire tome in a single Thoron. Granted, Thoron will do like 30% and kill at 70% (if it hits), but you have to find the time to charge it up and it's much less useful for keeping opponents out with lower charge levels.

Speed Thunder is really quick to charge, quick to end, and the projectiles are really quick too, the only thing I like more about default Thunder is that Speed Thunder loses Arcthunder combos. Speed Thoron amusingly kills earlier than default too because the projectile becomes a single hit.

Fire Wall is an ok custom, I wouldn't call it better than Arcfire though.

That's about it for Robin's customs.

Soul. said:
Do they even have landing options? Up B doesn't seem safe to me.
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It works once in a rare while if the opponent isn't expecting it; even though it's crazy unsafe if it misses, it's really fast to start and can work as a surprise landing option.
 
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Macchiato said:
Ven Nairo and Ed

Online me and Ginger get good results
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Yeah, I know. But Zelda is still really rare in tourneys. I mean, I'm the only competitive Zelda main in my country.

Anyways, It's late here I'm gonna go to bed. Thanks for the info on Wii Fit.
 
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lol Villager in customs off. In customs on, he's like, "top because timber counter omg ! ! ! so overcentralizing ! ! "
S.F.L.R_9 said:
Robin has a lot better aerial movement so it's better to use that but mix it up with ground movement so you don't become predictable. Take a look at Trela (the only solo Robin main I know,) he makes Robin seem pretty fast by using her aerial movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-YPGjtfPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WDps4yuEGk

And no, not many landing options, but you can do a b-reverse air dodge cancelled Thunder to escape a lot of attacks when landing. Btw, not all of Robins customs are bad. Fire Wall is really good at stopping approaches or being an up close option. You can also use Fire Wall in the air to come down since it goes straight down in front of him/her
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B-reversing/wavebouncing should be a Robin standard by now lol. Surprised the other player is using Shulk. Wasn't expecting that. Does Fire Wall have meh startup?
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Thunder+ is pretty awful imo, it takes years to charge and it uses the entire tome in a single Thoron. Granted, Thoron will do like 30% and kill at 70% (if it hits), but you have to find the time to charge it up and it's much less useful for keeping opponents out with lower charge levels.

Speed Thunder is really quick to charge, quick to end, and the projectiles are really quick too, the only thing I like more about default Thunder is that Speed Thunder loses Arcthunder combos. Speed Thoron amusingly kills earlier than default too because the projectile becomes a single hit.

Fire Wall is an ok custom, I wouldn't call it better than Arcfire though.

That's about it for Robin's customs.


It works once in a rare while if the opponent isn't expecting it; even though it's crazy unsafe if it misses, it's really fast to start and can work as a surprise landing option.
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I was trying out Thunder+ the other day and yeah, I can understand the awfulness. Speed Thunder is good but Arcthunder > smash/grab i cri evertim. Their customs are more or less "other options" rather than straight upgrades.
 
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Soul. said:
lol Villager in customs off. In customs on, he's like, "top because timber counter omg ! ! ! so overcentralizing ! ! "

B-reversing/wavebouncing should be a Robin standard by now lol. Surprised the other player is using Shulk. Wasn't expecting that. Does Fire Wall have meh startup?

I was trying out Thunder+ the other day and yeah, I can understand the awfulness. Speed Thunder is good but Arcthunder > smash/grab i cri evertim. Their customs are more or less "other options" rather than straight upgrades.
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No Fire Wall comes out pretty fast. Hold on I'll make a gif. Give me like 5 mins
 
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warionumbah2

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No powerful exploits from best to worst. Also community lists are usually done by casuals and wifi/FG warriors.

Mario series
:4diddy::rosalina::4luigi::4peach::4mario::4yoshi::4wario2::4bowserjr::4dk::4drmario::4bowser:
Zelda series
:4sheik::4link::4tlink::4ganondorf::4zelda:
Kirby series
:4metaknight::4kirby::4dedede:
Pokemon series
:4pikachu::4greninja::4lucario::4jigglypuff::4charizard:
Weaboo Emblem series
:4myfriends::4robinm::4marth::4lucina:
Kid Icarus series
:4pit::4darkpit::4palutena:
Starfox series
:4fox::4falco:
3rd party free loaders
:4sonic::4megaman::4pacman:
 
Tilk

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Oh boy! Time for everyone to lose their sh*t over the tier list....

Wait...

Aw... I missed it?
 
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warionumbah2 said:
No powerful exploits from best to worst. Also community lists are usually done by casuals and wifi/FG warriors.

Mario series
:4diddy::rosalina::4luigi::4peach::4mario::4yoshi::4wario2::4bowserjr::4dk::4drmario::4bowser:
Zelda series
:4sheik::4link::4tlink::4ganondorf::4zelda:
Kirby series
:4metaknight::4kirby::4dedede:
Pokemon series
:4pikachu::4greninja::4lucario::4jigglypuff::4charizard:
Weaboo Emblem series
:4myfriends::4robinm::4marth::4lucina:
Kid Icarus series
:4pit::4darkpit::4palutena:
Starfox series
:4fox::4falco:
3rd party free loaders
:4sonic::4megaman::4pacman:
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Diddy and Donkey Kong are from their own series, that just happens to also take place in the Mario world, why would anyone assume they were part of the Mario Series? D:
 
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